What's going on with the 996 market?

I'm sure y'all get this too but if not, here it is. https://www.pca.org/news/2020-10-20/...che-996-market

It's just a normal phenomenon for most cars that were desirable when they were new. It's happening to a lot of 90's and early 00's cars. Generation X is now looking for the cars they lusted after. E36 M3, E46 M3, S2000, Fox Body Mustang, Mitsubishi Evo, Z32 300ZX, FC and FD RX-7, C4 Corvette, so-on and so-forth. I am Gen-X and I have been buying cars over the past decade when I feel the values have hit rock bottom and are on the up-swing. I wish I bought the Z32 300ZX TT when they were dirt cheap.

Every time I open BaT I see 1 or 2 more listed. I'm surprised the prices haven't gone down with the market flooded.

I'm more curious about what the brand will look like in the next 10 years or so. With Volkswagen AG continuing to dilute the brand with large SUVs, crossovers, and 4-door sedans, the attraction of being an exclusive sports car manufacturer could be in jeopardy IMHO. Their emissions tricks that are currently in the news doesn't help either. https://www.classaction.org/news/cla...anamera-models

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I think that VW as a whole will embrace electric vehicles more and more and Porsche will be forced to also. I wonder what their ICE/EV percentage will be in 10 or 20 years.

All new cars in Germany will be required to be electric by 2030. This mandate will be part of Germany's pledge to cut carbon dioxide output by 80 % to 95% by 2050. Germany will also mandate that all petrol stations offer electric car charging to help remove refueling concerns and boost consumer demand for the vehicles as part of its 130 billion euro ($146 billion) economic recovery plan. It should be noted that Germany is a little smaller than the state of Montana, while the amount of electricity produced d espite falling energy use and increasing renewable output, greenhouse gas emissions are virtually unchanged since 2009 at 27% below 1990 levels. This leaves Germany a long way from its 2020 proposed target of cutting emissions by 40% and Merkel ordered the closure of a number of reactors and reinstated a plan to close all others by 2022. So without going into all the business of the high human and environmental toll to gather all the needed raw materials, then add all of the recycling challenges makes the goal of zero emissions a long way off despite all the development of better electrical storage and political mismanagement. Many years ago, I was able to purchase used 356's for merely a few thousand dollars as the 911 became the big man on campus. With the tin worms taking its toll on many and the advent of the Burmese gas worms during the Carter era, their values started to increase despite all of those issues.. As such, I do think that just like the early 911's with their various issues, the 996's will increase in value as their ability to be modified, as well as worked on by their owners along with a strong variety of quality parts and accessories will make them valuable. Look, I have watched many of the Ferrari owners drop their pants to have the wallets washed and waxed with maintenance alone and in many instances driven little while my 996 even with the cost of an IMS update offers the same motoring pleasures as well as the simple pleasure of weekend wrenching. There are only so many 356's, early 911's and 914's available, and restoration costs are nosebleeds and some of those are becoming trailer queens. Given the cost of the latest model, insurance and upkeep, I'll stick with the fried egg.....

[QUOTE=b3freak;16982339]I'm more curious about what the brand will look like in the next 10 years or so. With Volkswagen AG continuing to dilute the brand with large SUVs, crossovers, and 4-door sedans, the attraction of being an exclusive sports car manufacturer could be in jeopardy IMHO. Their emissions tricks that are currently in the news doesn't help either. As I see sales data published on the various models generally growing over previous periods rather than being 'impressed' the opposite emotions tend to kick in. There was a time when spotting a Porsche was a relatively rare occurrence, now days in the GTA you see several per day, ho hum.

Ddzporsche, Not certain I understand your point?

All of this transition to electrification is magnanimous, but if the Germans do not get a handle on the costs of all of their transition to renewables, their industry’s auto and other industry's competitiveness will falter in the global economy. Regardless of Volkswagen and their offspring’s technical achievement and abilities, until the development of better storage capacity for electrical vehicles that can be produced efficiently and ecologically, then conventional energy sources will continue to power economic prosperity while making electric cars a source of vanity which makes everyone who demands them feel good. After all, driving around in a country the size of Montana is one thing, across the United States is another story and batteries tend to lose efficiency over time. A good deal of the ownership of Porsche’s at this time seems to be somewhat fashionable there is no question about that! However, those who consider ownership as a hobby and those who collect understand that there is an infinite number of early models and later models available and prices for used Porsches reflect this. Those people who want are looking enter into this hobby will be attracted to the 996, and the demand will only increase and the prices regardless of other conditions will reflect this.

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There would be more if BaT didn't control the number of models posted at a given moment.

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Thank for posting, I missed the article. It does parallele a lot of discussion here on the forum, the author hit it right on the head, with Colors, Aero Kits,4S etc. I was surprised when he discussed the IMSB, he didn't comment on how many IMSBs have been replaced, it has to be an impressive percentage. Thanks to the folks at LN, they have helped a lot of these cars survive. Places like Pelican with their tech pages and also right here on Rennlist, the help we all get to prevent our cars from self destructing in so many ways. If you think about it, it has been a collective approach, we the consumers and them the businesses that we buy from, together WE have helped increase the the value of our cars as well as erase the image of "It is not Air Cooled, therefore not a real Porsche", like when they first were produced and the resale values were dismal. Let's be happy, we made good investments. ( well maybe that is going a little too far ) I know I sure am happy, I paid to much, spent to much, but I am happy.

What’s funny is the same, if not a larger, footprint is caused by the production of electricity than burning fossil fuels.

The entire used car market is very high right now as a result of covid. Cars are selling above retail at dealer auctions.

As we have been locked down for a while, I wonder if the volume of sales of water pumps, IMS bearing kits, and other parts at Pelican and other businesses have increased due to Covid 19?

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I just said the same thing to my friend over the weekend about Lamborghinis. It used to be an occasion to see a Diablo. I see at least one Huracan every day...

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What do you see causing this?

Don't know but I'm increasing the insured value of my 2000 C4 Cab w/Hagerty to $25k.

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Bingo. Even the 996tt was selling as low as the high 30�s, low 40�s a couple years ago.

What, the economy is down so let’s go buy Porsches? How does that work?

Pricing is picking up again on bat

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Apparently there are still enough people with money to spend. My Porsche specialist thought that the Covid crisis makes people realize that they won't live forever, so they buy that sports car now instead of waiting for some point in the future. And, with social isolation, one thing you can still do is take your car out on a drive.

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Honestly this stretches into so many other things as well. Pedal bikes, lifting equipment, kayaks, RV's, boats, etc. They're all being bought up left and right. There's a machine operator in our plant (aerospace manufacturing) that just bought a brand new truck and prior to that a new Kawasaki 125cc dirt bike, during Covid. Mind you, these are the same people complaining about lack of unemployment benefit extensions as we've had plant closures for weeks each month since commercial planes aren't flying as much. So having weeks of minimal to no pay stretched them thin.

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+1. When people are stuck at home, not spending money on business clothes, dry cleaning, eating out, airplane tickets, vacations, they get stir crazy and want to spend money at home.

It kind of makes sense....for as many people that are out there who are truly having trouble making ends meet and may be out of work, there is also a chunk of population that has disposable income to put towards a sports car while being stuck at home because they are not being able to take that vacation they planned on.

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Whatever your opinion of electric cars, this is a myth. Unless you power your car with electricity from the dirtiest coal fired power plant, electricity pollutes far less than burning gas in an ICE engine. In addition to the factors other have mentioned, most auto manufacturers idled their plants in the spring due to COVID. That�s led to a shortage of many models in showrooms and pushed buyers to consider used vehicles instead.

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I've read in some places about people complaining about others still buying items like cars, and other fun stuff during a pandemic, but they fail to see purchases like these help keep the economy going and put food on other's tables. Anyway, I think the 996 market will stay on the rise - so many people are starting to "get it".

Covid interrupted auto production....fewer to buy. Covid makes mass transit less attractive....more buyers

I've noticed a real uptick. I am amazed watching the auctions on BaT thinking okay, this is market. Then it way over exceeds the amount. There is a Guards Red 30k 99 996 with some special aero package (supposedly) on it that is currently at $30k with 4 days left. I would peg this as a 25-30k car if I bought off craigslist. auto trader, etc... I bet it fetches 40k on BaT. Not saying it's not worth it, my reality of pricing just seems to be way off. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...11-carrera-51/

I'm watching that one too. A '99 996 with 29k miles sold for $35k (incl BaT fees) on Nov 2, Didn't even have the IMSB done.

Rising 996 prices are good to see. About time folks begin to realize what a great car it is on and off the track. Now if we could only get folks that have never owned the car to stop belly aching about stupid issues such as headlight design and maintenance/replacement eventualities, we may even see more appreciation over the next few years. ​​​​​​I am a happy and proud 996 owner.

I for one am curious to see how the market goes for some higher mileage cars. It's quite common to see low mileage examples fetch big $ but those that know, know these cars are best when driven and maintained well. With proper maintenance there is no reason to not have cars with 80k miles + feel tight as a drum and drive beautifully. As more folks realize this I think we can see the values for those cars rise too. You get people dropping some serious cash on air cooler cars with well over 150k miles and it's not like those cars don't require an engine rebuild at some point to the tune of $20k+

Amen Brother.

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Nothing "special" about that Aerokit, other than it IS an Aerokit. I wouldn't spend top dollar on any car (especially from OH) unless there were extensive pictures from below! I know it hasn't been in OH very long, but where are the important pictures?

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Something about it being a GT package which has something in line with the EU model, pretty sure there's a code for it. I don't really think it makes it any better than a US market 996 Aero but someone may feel otherwise (or know more about GT package than I care to investigate). And in regards to an OH car, I purchased mine while living in Cleveland. Drove it during spring, summer, and fall, at least once a week to keep all the components moving. Never saw snow. I still follow this in SC, going from 23k to now 32k closing in on 4 years. People that are afraid of low mileage 996's need to remember that everyone's driving habits are different. My mileage may not go up quick, but rest assured the car is driven and well maintained. Others of course, can sit in the garage for months without being driven, but this is where people need to speak with the seller to get a full picture.

I think there was a GT package that included Aerokit, 030 suspension, and maybe sport exhaust? I'd be more worried about rust than setting during the winter months. I was shocked at how much rust an OH car could have when I worked on one a few years ago. I finally told the owner I wouldn't work on it any longer. Everything was rusted and the bottom was falling out of the car.

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Okay, I thought something with the suspension but wasn't sure, not sure about the exhaust either. Without a doubt. I grew up and lived in the Metro Detroit area for 23 years, working as a mechanic before changing professions and moving south. Vehicle rust in northern states is atrocious and really does make working on cars a daunting experience. Trying to weld someone's rusty exhaust because they didn't want to replace the system back was a favorite. Many burns from the slag that would eat through the pipe rather than make a proper bead. Never again.

I think driving habits and maintenance are more important than where the car is from. I live it the northeast and planned on driving this morning. Got up, roads were drenched due to overnight shower, decided I would drive tomorrow. Might be silly but there are lots of **** car owners like me out there. I also think a higher mileage car should not be under valued a lot if the car has been properly maintained and a PPI is done.. Cars get old and people drive them. Who wants a low mile car they don't want to drive. As many have said, your buying the seller, not the car.

Rust is definitely a concern but I feel like a lot of it has to do with the owner. Sure, exhaust bolts and other exposed metal will rust but most of the suspension components are aluminum. Additionally, the body is quite resilient to rust but a lot of this will be up to the owner. Was the paint actually maintained well? Was some sort of protection used on the paint and other surfaces? If you drove in the winter, that's cool but going to a touch less car wash to wash off the salt and grime, if you don't have access to a power washer of your own, is what makes a big difference here. Heck, there are also those that live in winter states and just store the car away for the whole season so it never sees the elements.

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People have saved more than ever as a whole, If they are invested in let's say, some FAANG stocks, some chip companies, let's say, NVDA,LAM, TSM, and for big returns, ADBE, MSFT They just made a ****load for their portfolio and can buy if they want, or Real Estate if you can find what you need. Nice cars are available, very good ones are likely to appreciate a little bit (1-4% ) for a while, but will always hold value I think now. They aren't making anymore is how I kind of see it. 03 TT - 53K mi. 03 Targa - 41Kmi. Argeo made a point w " As many have said, your buying the seller, not the car." That is true if buying a low mileage car, a person just wanted for those special days, or other reasons, Those cars are OK to buy also. We might not understand why guys buy and not drive the car, because you never get those hours missed, back again. Go find it if you can. might be air cooled, might not.

I know of a '99 cabrio 996 (Black/Savanna Beige) with about 7000 mi. that has basically never been driven, has had 1 oil change, has sat outside uncovered for months on end, etc... Knowing what I know, I wouldn't pay $5k for the car, but at some point an unknowing buyer will come along and see "low mileage cream puff, grandma's car only driven to church on sunday's - collectors item etc." and pay some stupid price, only to have it blow up when it actually gets driven... Buyer Beware!

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where is it? I'll buy it, low mileage doesn't make me pee my pants like some of you.

Although these are not 996's they represent classic examples of Porsche values then and now, which leaves me to believe that 996's will begin to increase.....even the lowly 914 is being appreciated.....

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914's were almost giveaway cars. Not anymore!

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Amen to this. Every new car that comes out with screens instead of buttons and gauges makes me realize the sunset for "new" cars for me was around 2016. Helps that I'm a frugal bastard, too.

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I just traded in my 2008 BMW 128i with 216k miles. Had no idea what to replace it with and have been looking for months, all new cars have so many gadgets and crowded consoles that I'd never use (or take the time to learn). Not to mention so many new cars look similar, my loaner 228i both drove and looked like a Nissan. Ended up with 2015 Z71 Colorado. So far I have gotten Bluetooth to work instead of using an AUX cord.

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The 996 doesn't rust like other cars, they are very corrosion resistant. My '99 was driven all year until I bought it from the original owner as a non runner 8 years ago and the outside/underbody was still in really good shape.

I just purchased my first Porsche and maintenance on this thing is not cheap. I purchased a silver 2000 C2 Cab w/ matching hardtop 108k miles in Socal area for $13,000 (cable hood/hatch). From a private party, but does not have any service records, they said new clutch and top (GAHH) which seems true. I don't know if that is a good price or not but right off the bat, I had to spend $800 on 4 new Michelin Tires, $800 on 4 new shocks, about $500 on suspension components, $200 oil change & magnetic plug, $50 hood/hatch shocks, and repaint front bumper $500, and about $1000 for a pair of brand new litronic headlights. That is $3-4,000 on top of my purchase price already. Replacing some speakers and radio, I am approaching $20k, at the end of the day. For maybe $8k more, I could have gotten a 997.1 most likely.

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You're still doing pretty well especially if those are point & pay prices. The general "wisdom" is that you're going to be in around $25K for a 996 that has its issues sorted out including the IMSB. I am scared to death about damaging my litronics though...

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I am a little scared about IMS, but from what I have researched, high mileage car usually is ok, and the percentage is low on early 996, I have a early production 2000 so knock on wood it has double row bearings. There are plenty of used litronics sets on ebay. I am just a little picky about headlights so I got new ones and applied llumar film to it. Hopefully once everything is dialed in, I don't feel like driving a time bomb. I have plenty of previous german and japanese cars, none of them give me as much anxiety as this one does. We will see.....

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Sounds like you should just sell it.

Hi I'm new to this forum and look forward to contributing, I'm from Australia. I have some 996 questions I'm hoping can be answered about early 996 build dates. My car has a factory build date of DEC97. The Australian compliance built tag is dated 1/98 and the car is registered as it should be as a 1998. The last VIN numbers are 2131 which I think is the production number. I have read that very few 996 's were built in 1997 but the 2131 indicates differently. Question, is the car a very early production car being DEC97 so why does it have 2131? Is this number just for 996 cars or all Porsche cars built that year in number sequence. I also believe that it should be a amber light car? The car has clear lenses but I checked the headlights and they have a 2003 build stamp so I think all the amber lights where changed at some stage as that was the thing to do. The car is an Australian delivered, C2, Arctic Silver, Sunroof, Tiptronic. Appreciate any feedback

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lol, ok... I just recently started posting on this site (because I bought my car), it seems like I need to revaluate my post before I send out. To answer your question, maybe, I don't know yet, that's why I said we will see. Maybe it will grow on me and reliable enough. Who knows? I believe I need to own it for a period of time before I can judge and compare to my other vehicles I had before. Waiting for my blackstone report, and cannot wait for the next oil change. I don't plan to keep the car for more than 2-3 years however. Trying to learn as much as I can with my first Porsche, so I know exactly what I am dealing with for my next Porsche. The 911 definitely drives uniquely different. which I enjoy.

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I think the graph of IMSB failures vs mileage probably does look like a "U" centered around 50K miles. The ones that are driven hard, often and have their oil changed do a lot better. The ones that sit in some guy's garage, get driven twice a month and have the dealer change the oil every 10K miles (4 years), not so much. Short trips and old oil increase the concentration of fuel in the oil which degrades the rubber seal in the bearing and lets the grease out. IMHO, most of them do fail eventually. The dual rows can still fail but it's a longer period from the time from when the seal fails and when the actual bearing fails. The indy (Black Forest) who did my PPI daily drives a '99 like mine. He told me his IMSB failed around 180K miles and that's when he rebuilt his engine.

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I'm with you considering the anxiety. I've had my first C4S for only a couple months and every time I hear ANY noise I don't recognize I get that sinking feeling!

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That's scary because he is a mechanic, and still cannot detect any warnings. I definitely heard of both sides. If I need a new clutch, I will definitely get the IMS done while it is there. It feel like its a crap shoot, because I am buying this used car not knowing too well on previous owner. If you were me, would you get it done asap? yes, every so often, I would put my ears under the car to hear if there is any weird noise. "is that the lifter? or is that the rod in bank 2?"

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He might have detected warnings. I don�t know if he noticed signs and decided to rebuild his engine or if it went catastrophic. At 108K I don�t know about doing it ASAP. Good Idea to keep an eye on your oil changes and filter for particles. Also cam shaft deviation if you have a Durametric.

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Count me a one of those folks. Just picked up my first Porsche over the weekend: 2003 C2 with 112k miles for $20k. Extensive maintenance history from reputable P-car shops, the right modifications, great condition, passed PPI with flying colors. Looking forward to put even more miles on it!

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First of all... congrats on the purchase! Just curious, did the PPI include an oil sump and cylinder bore inspection? Pictures?

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Welcome! Hopefully some will pipe in to address your questions. There is at least one other Aussie on this forum who might understand the Australia cars, as well.

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Thanks! And appreciate all your content I have already found on the forums. Based on the results we got back from DME and leakdown test, we decided not to do the bore inspection or drop oil sump. I understand they would have been helpful for a more complete picture. Picture from the previous RL owner who is a much better photographer than I... FJfHne4.jpg

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+1 There are always multiple factors to pay attention to but the shaft deviation can give you a good idea if things are getting loosey goosey. When I did my PPI the values were -0.42 and 0.50 and that's on an LN bearing 10 years and about 55k miles later. It's definitely due for an update due to time in service but I'm not running to the shop yet. Congrats and wishing you many fun miles in it! It sounds like it was owned and maintained well given the extensive history so hopefully the PPI included the big items and you have nothing to worry about. Keep up with the maintenance, do the right things and drive it like it was intended to

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that thing is nice!!!

Thank you for your welcome and reply. I'm hoping someone has some information on the 1997 built cars. All I can find is one article on build numbers that states fourteen (14) 996's were built in 1997. I find it very hard to believe that my DEC97 build car would be one of them. Any information would be appreciated. Regards

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Congrats on your early build 996! What part of Australia 🇦🇺 do you live in? Love it over there, only been on the east coast, but would really like to go back. Traveled for a month surfing up the coast from Melbourne to Brisbane Aussie summer of 2007. Hell, if the US keeps trending the way it is maybe I�ll move. You may be better served starting a separate thread on your search for more information about early build 996�s. This one was started to discuss the upward trend in value, dare I say appreciation of the ugly duckling 996.

I was looking for a higher mileage 997.2, then test drove a 996.2 with 40k + IMSB recently replaced as preventive maintenance. I am loving it. I have never been bothered by 996.2/turbo headlights, in fact I have always liked them. I have also learned to appreciate the 996.1 headlights and I honestly think it only makes them more special. I paid 25.6k for mine last month. Wheels and sideskirts are factory options:

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Those side skirts are 996.1 aero bits, so while they may be genuine Porsche parts I doubt it came from the factory like that - not impossible if it was some kind of �crossover� build, but not likely. In any case, they look great, as do the wheels (I�m a little biased...)

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White 996's really do it for me!

Yes, congrats, I also believe that those early 996's will be appreciated far more than now. As an old Porschefile, I remember when Detroit was king, notchbacks were scoffed at, used speedsters, assorted A's and some B's, C's were cobbled together suffering from extreme amounts of damage due to the tin worms creating the Barney and Wilma effect. Later, most of those models were either discarded or scrapped as there was no intrinsic value to them because the new 901/911 series became the vanguard and Hollyweird status symbol. Today these same rusty relics are receiving the benefit of reproduction sheet metal along with modern technological restoration benefits and in some cases, these early Porsches have become trailer queens as their owners have spent nosebleed amounts of money to return them to examples of period Zuffenhausen sculptures....making plastic reproductions an alternative. Look, many of us are beginning to see the value of the 996's and their values are beginning to increase as the "Raby" effect ( that man should be given a medal ) this site, Pelican, and a host of others who have taken the time to post, re-engineer and solve many of the weaknesses. One of the most overlooked values of the 996's lies in the ability for the DIY home mechanic to maintain or repair as it seems that the newer Porsches are coming under the "Alexa" effect. So, Gentlemen, ......enjoy your sport at speed.....

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Thanks dporto, some MY02s optioned with sideskirts came with the aero1s. The car does have X76 Flared Rocker Panels option and there is no sign of respray, but who knows. At first I wanted to swap to the aero2 sideskirts, but these are growing into me.

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Those are the best looking wheels for 996. Heavy so better for Tiptronic and wood luxury 911 hehehe.

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Sweet! I like white too!

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I actually prefer the Mk 1 side-skirts (and head lights...) I'd kill for a set of OEM's for my car (but not pay for new... ...) I've been keeping an eye out for many years now. I bought a set of Duraflex ones, but it's a silly amount of work to make them fit properly...

Wow that white car is gorgeous.

My car is also an 02 with just the mk1 skirts. Legend is that it was all you could order because they hadn't finalized the mk2 aero design. I love it with just the rockers but I'd also love to have a full mk1 aero.

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Where can you get a brand new pair of litronic headlights for $1,000?

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Other than the oil change, I don't know any car more than 12 years old that would be on the used market and not also need tires, shocks and bushings, and a bumper repaint. Decent tires in any modern size are going to cost just as much too Be glad you didn't need to refinish wheels. Except for those who buy a new car every year or two and sell the prior one, people don't sell a car that doesn't need some maintenance and repair.

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nychase, can you post a picture of your car, wondering if we should start a registry of MY02 with factory option mk1 Sideskirts :-), I am guessing there will not be that many.

here ya go.

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Don�t remember seeing that on any 996 during my search. What�s the option code for mk1 sideskirts on a mk2 996?

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I have X76 Flared Rocker Panels option on mine.

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Pictured is my last 2002 996 with factory mk1 side skirts. I don't think you'll find a special factory option code for the Mk1 side skirts on the Mk2 996. In 2003 they changed the side skirts and many Mk1 styles were left over in parts inventory. As rumor has it, many dealerships installed them on Mk2 cars. Maybe to clear old inventory of the side skirts? I'm sure lots of Mk2 996 owner purchased them for their cars too. I've always liked the curves of the Mk1 over the Mk2 style.

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I also have option X76 for flared rockers.

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Beautiful!!!! The turbo twist look great specially with the lowered stance.

Bought a 996 4S in Grey 6 Speed Manual 95,000 miles and full service history, IMS done, new clutch and brakes oil changed every 3K the list of maintenance history on this car is long !! Garage kept and not a scratch or dent on it I paid $18K for it and I love the car

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That's a very very good price

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was Jake Raby original owner?🙃 Not many people back then were changing oil at 3k mile intervals.....😎

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DomBam - very similar with mine that I acquired in September 2020. 1999 C2 with 155,000 KM (Canadian car). $23K CDN which was about $18K USD. IMS had been done once. Some maintenance history, but overall a nice car. Other than doing lots of maintenance (fluids, filters, belts, plugs, pumps, etc.) I only want to change out the headlights and tail lights. I like the amber lenses in the fried eggs and the tail lights. Good luck with your car. jb

List it on BaT, flip it for $35k.....rinse and repeat. $18k was a steal based on your description.

I'm on the edge of taking the plunge into my first Porsche. Looking closely at the 996 Turbo as it's the cheapest Turbo on the market now. Seems to be at the bottom of the depreciation curve and starting to rise already

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It�s a wonderful option. If you can afford it, go for it. 2-4 years ago, they were even cheaper - many in the $40-$45k range. Those are now into the $50�s. They won�t be going down in value, that�s for sure.

^^^ I agree The 996 Turbo reached the bottom of the depreciation curve several years ago. But they�re still a good bargain now.

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I've been looking and I still see 996TTs in the $40-45k range. Unfortunately, most of them have ATs or +100k mileage but they're out there. There's one guy in San Luis Obispo that's been trying to sell his 996TT AT w/100k miles on it for $39.5k for a long time. Spoke w/him by email (think he's a veteranarian) and was thinking about driving down there to look at the car but I really don't want to buy a 996 TT automatic. Call me "old school" but, while an AT would be fine to me in an SUV or sedan like the Cayenne, Macan or Panameram, I just don't like the idea of a 911 (any 911) w/an automatic transmission.

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I have a Turbo with a 6-speed and a Turbo with a Tiptronic. Both are great. Obviously the 6-speed is more engaging to drive. The tip is easier in traffic and just as fast on the track; I bought the Tiptronic car to use on the track because it has 180k miles and was cheap. WAY less than $40k. I have seen high miles (150k +/-) manual Turbos for $35k, and I would not hesitate to buy one for a driver car. For an investment low miles is better of course. When you're hammering on it the Tip shifts in something like 0.2 seconds and it absolutely prevents a money shift, both are good things in my book. Especially on the track. The only actual downside to the Tip is that there is no LSD available, so you're more or less stuck with either staying AWD or having a widowmaker car. The perceived downsides to the Tip, ie, lack of a "Man Pedal" are just that, perceived, and I'd take my Tip Turbo over any just about any other car (well, maybe a front engine V12 Ferrari would tempt me...).

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Wow, you got a deal

When the bottom really feel out of the 996 market in 05-06 , it took the 996TT with it, examples with 50k miles were trading in with a value (black book ) in the upper $20k's only a couple thousand more than a 996 Carrera. The words "Mezger" and " IMSB" started circulating and the 996TT started to quickly rebound, and the Carrera continued to slide downward.. To me I prefer the Tip in the 996TT, like theperf said, the Tip is great on the track. If you think about speed shifting the 996TT you better be going in a straight line, the massive torque and the unloading and re-applying the torque will upset the chassis tremendously !! Glad to see the 996 Carrera finally going up !!!

Definitely exciting and I'm curious to see where the value will go over time and where they will stabilize. You have older air cooled cars with well over 100k miles still trading for top dollar. I think people may also start coming around to the headlight design. Personally it has really grown on me and I find the traditional ones boring. The rest of the exterior design has aged quite well IMHO.

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Understood. I have paddle shifters in my AT BMW 335i and MB ML350. Use them sometimes - mainly to downshift to avoid using the brakes -- but it's just not the "same" as driving a real stick shift which I have in my 2000 C4 Cab, 2014 Stingray Corvette and 2002 Toyota MR2 Spyder. I don't track the car or race it on the streets. Nor do I use any of my sports cars w/MTs as a daily driver in traffic. So, the "speed" in shifting and convenience of using an AT isn't important to me. Indeed, I know that many cars go "faster" w/ATs than MTs but, for me, it's the "driving experience" of controlling the engine w/an MT that is what is most important to me. If you don't want to be bothered shifting or even shifting a car, you can always buy a Tesla. But, what's the point of that? I've driven an S and, yeah, its fast but it had no "soul." Just pure transportation from Point A to Point B enhanced by some tech gadgetry but ultimately a (to me) really BORING car. LOL!

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I understand your view as well. In about 1,000,000 miles of driving this is the first auto trans car I have owned. My other 7 cars are all manuals. I wouldn't have my only sports car as an auto trans car. For my use having an auto in this car is fine, and it was priced very attractively.

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Yep, people who are excited by a Model S have never driven truly interesting cars. After my test drive I was so happy to be back in my 535i. Which is boring compared to my 996, so go figure!

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Many people who buy Teslas really don't want to be bothered to drive a car at all. Those people just turn on the autonomous controls and just let the car do the driving while texting/trolling on their phones or, in some extreme cases that have been documented on video, just sleeping!!! And, then blame Tesla for building a "defective" vehicle. LOL! BTW, I have nothing against EVs in general or Teslas in particular. I leased a Chevy Bolt for 3 years and still have a Level 2 charger hooked up in my garage. The Bolt was fine for the limited purposes that I used it. I'd have no problem leasing another EV if needed/wanted one for basic/local transportation but I already have 6 vehicles and have no current need for another. However, an EV (regardless of make/model) is no substitute for a 911 (or any other "true" sports car) IMO that's designed to be "driven" as opposed to "ridden in" even a Tesla S w/AWD and the Ludicrous or other similar speed/performance enhancement. But, again, that's just my opinion.

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Model 3 Performance might be a better substitute than a Model S because it has track mode and actually handles well on the track. I could see it being nearly as fun on the track than a 996, but not sure about street, unless it�s being flogged.

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This!! I bought and absolutely love my Cayenne GTS. I have an old skool e30 with a modified S50 from an M3 and 5 speed. Its comparable in speed and handling to my Cayenne but a damn workout. I could fly around sipping on a Starbucks in my Cayenne and hold a conversation.....or be sideways, sawing at the wheel and breaking a mega sweat in the e30 with all types off squealing, smoking and sideways action. 9 times out of 10, I prefer driving the Cayenne on back roads. My new to me C4S came with a Tiptronic and I'm okay with that.

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where in NJ are you? I'm just behind Morristown airport... bought mine the end of 2019 and it was close to the bottom of the recent market, prices have gone up since then...