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The dealership (autonation) wanted to push cars because it was the end of the year, so we found the car I wanted with an MSRP of $109,000 and I paid $90,500 for the price of the car.
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dealers usually base trade ins on cars like this with what they will get thru an auction so don't be surprised if they value it at $12-$13K - if they have more room is car you intent to buy, they will adjust their trade in value accordingly.
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They will dump it off on a wholesaler so you'll get not much which can be a depressing thought - the car ending up on Big Louies Used Car lot.
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dealers usually base trade ins on cars like this with what they will get thru an auction so don't be surprised if they value it at $12-$13K - if they have more room is car you intent to buy, they will adjust their trade in value accordingly.
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the only way to know if there is any wear to the IMSB would be to remove transmission and check IMSB for play - even then it is a crap shoot.
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Adjust their trade in value accordingly
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dealers usually base trade ins on cars like this with what they will get thru an auction so don't be surprised if they value it at $12-$13K - if they have more room is car you intent to buy, they will adjust their trade in value accordingly.
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If they read you as the car they are selling needs to be discounted, they will more than likely come back to you with a clean deal price on their car, thus enticing you to their car.
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The first engine out service was done due to a leaking RMS, and at the same time the guy decided to replace the clutch and water pump, so it's still pretty fresh (16k on the clutch so far).
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The dealership (autonation) wanted to push cars because it was the end of the year, so we found the car I wanted with an MSRP of $109,000 and I paid $90,500 for the price of the car.
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So I love my '99 996, but there are days when I get tired or shifting, not having enough room to take much with me, teenagers that are driving, etc... and I keep thinking about maybe trading it in for a used Panamera or something more practical. 78k miles and in pretty good condition. The problem is, every website I visit gives me different values for what it's worth(from $10k-23k). Anyone have any "good" data ?
SWAG since I am currently in the market for a 996 C2 Coupe, 6 speed like yours. With the mileage in the 65-85K range I'll say $15-17K for a nice, no issues, documented history car. Recent IMSB, clutch would add $1.5K for my purposes. Mileage under 50K would be a plus $1-2K.
Like I said, it's just a SWAG.
Trade-in value? 99 C2 coupe MT at 80k miles is around $13-14k without knowing the options. If it has some sweet options on the sticker that could bump it $1-2k.
The ONLY opinion that will matter about the value of your car is........what you and the dealer will agree upon. You can bring/show whatever data you want (KBB, Edmunds, cargurus, autotrader, etc) which will be worth squat if you cannot find a dealer/buyer who will accept or agree with it.
Best of luck.
Oh, and all I can say is I did it for the same reasons. And now spend my days looking for a 996 6 speed I can drive by myself. So don't do it. Never give up the 6 speed.
supply more information before anyone can give you an accurate value.
-coupe/cab?
-ext color, interior color
-manual/tip?
-complete service records? documented oil changes
-was clutch replaced, when were brakes done?
-is IMS bearing updated? this is a $2200 - $2400 job not $1500
-is body & paint very good-excellent? any dings/dent bad scratches?
-what options
an excellent condition 78K mile 996 narrow body coupe, 6 speed with updated services, complete service history, IMS done, with good color combo(not meridian exterior or red interior)would probably be in the fair range of $19-$20K at the very highest in todays market
supply these answers and photos and we can try to determine an accurate value.
I should start buying 996's in the US.... in Europe, the cheapest ,running 996 will still set you back 18-20K. And that's the bottom end of the market...
We see a rise in prices here, especially the 4S, Turbo and GT3 ( around 80K for a Mk1 ).
Groovzilla's posting covers the variables nicely. These used cars are now some 25 years old. Too many have been through some uncaring owners.
Well maintained w/records and sympathetically driven examples will always command a premium. This axiom applies to all vehicles, especially sports cars.
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Silver coupe, 6 speed, grey interior.
Bought it used in 2005 and have all records since then, but have had to do very little. Maintenance done as needed(60k service done), oil changes, etc...Dealer says not to worry about IMSB, but when I replace clutch should consider it.
Some dings and scratches, but overall looks pretty nice.
Probably worth more to me than what someone would give me for it because it is after all a 911.
If you use your car as a trade in at a dealer, the numbers can be manipulated very easy by the dealer.
Ie, if the dealer reads you that the car they are selling is priced accordingly, they will take the mark up and move it to your vehicle by giving you more trade in value.
If they read you as the car they are selling needs to be discounted, they will more than likely come back to you with a clean deal price on their car, thus enticing you to their car. Then the usual stradigy is to show you the sales tax advantage of trading your car at a lower price.
Example:
Car on dealer lot $30,000.
Clean deal $28,000.(actual target price)
Let's use 8% sales tax.
Clean deal out the door your cost $30,240.
If you trade your car.
Your car actual value by dealer. $15,000.
They inflate your value to $17,000.
To make you feel good
Car on lot $30,000.
Tax on above $2400
Total $32,400
Minus trade $17,000
Difference $13,000
(Notice sales tax missing at this point)
Here comes the sales pitch:
"If your ready to do this right now,
You can get this deal done for $13,000."
Now wait!!!!, here is the kicker if you hesitate,
Salesman, " If you look at the entire deal, you also will be reducing the sales tax from $2400 to only $1040, so you also are saving $1260. In addition to getting the car you want for only $13,000."
Dealer logic will be, Dear Mr. Smith, as you can see we are really giving you a very fair deal.
Lol, this happens all the time !!
great exterior color - silver w/grey interior is not as desirable as black interior but shouldn't effect value too much - grey tends to show more wear and doesn;t have the nice contrast of black int.
car running on original IMS bearing and no clutch replacement in excellent condition would probably fetch $17.5 - $18K or so private party sale to someone not schooled in the porsche market.
the problem is educated buyers will factor in the IMS upgrade and want at least 50%-75% credit for that(or more) on the sale price. they will also be aware of clutch nearing end of life. replacing the clutch/rms seal only adds $900 to the cost of IMS replacement(providing flywheel is good) so educated buyer will want to do this and have a solid investment with little to no worries on drivability and future resale. of course they will want to have their total investment under $20K because that is about top market value today.
so factoring in the IMS/clutch/rms job at $3800-$4000, i'd say your cars value is about $16.5K for RL member or similar.
when trading into a dealer it just all depends on how much room the dealer has on car he is selling you. remember trading the car into dealer saves you the sales tax on value of your trade in BUT dealers always low ball trade in and narrow body 996's aren't considered a car that will fly off the lot.
dealers usually base trade ins on cars like this with what they will get thru an auction so don't be surprised if they value it at $12-$13K - if they have more room is car you intent to buy, they will adjust their trade in value accordingly.
Someone said it much more eloquently above but I will put it simple terms. The dealer is going to hit you one way or another. You'll get a great trade offer with not a lot of budging on the car you're purchasing or vice versa. There are times of the year where you can work both. For example, when I purchased my 2015 S550 I bought it the day after Christmas and had been trying to work out a deal with this dealership for six weeks. The dealership (autonation) wanted to push cars because it was the end of the year, so we found the car I wanted with an MSRP of $109,000 and I paid $90,500 for the price of the car. I was trading in a Lexus LS 460 L and I knew they intended to hit me hard on that. This was an auto nation dealer, so what I did was went to the Audi AutoNation dealer and had them give me a trade offer based on me buying an Audi A8L. Long story short the Audi dealership offered me $21,000 in trade for a lexus that was realistically worth $15,000 private party with the miles and issues it had. When the Mercedes dealership made their trade offer ($13,000 lol) I pulled out the paperwork from the auto nation dealer that offered me $21,000 the day before. They honored a $20,000 trade-in price for the Lexus, very very reluctantly. I would say I made out pretty well, but again this is rare and timing is everything.
Personally, I don't trade cars in unless they have become and albatross I'll have to sink money into to sell, or it's a car nobody wants. The hassle of selling is still worth it me for the extra money I pick up.
Even after this:
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...zy-people.html
Just bought my first Carrera a couple days ago. Drove it home 1300 miles...
2002 six speed coupe
69,000 miles
2005 factory reman engine installed in 2007 (at 29,000 miles)
Silver / dark navy interior
All original paintwork in pristine condition, as in no dings or scratches
Interior in similar condition. No signs of wear on leather or plastics. The only sign of use is very slight wear on radio buttons.
Recent coolant tank & water pump replacement. New battery & brakes.
All service records.
Paid $21,000.
You are absolutely correct on the timing issue!!!!
I can say with a high degree of certainty that the timing of your purchase plays a huge part.
Best time for buyer mid day on the next to last day of the month, no matter what, walk away after the sit down, you will have the upper hand.
Your advantage increases on end of the sales quarter and the best is end of the year as you stated.
Just drove a friends Maserati(drove similar to another friends Panamera)... Both very nice cars, but it helped me realize the 996 is going stay for awhile... Just a lot more fun.
Oh hell yea. I wasn't expecting the enjoyment level to be so high on the gauge. Like I said in my intro to the 996, it takes me back to when I was a teen and had a Fiat X1/9. But - about a billion more HP, and handling. Trade in a 996? What are you gonna get to replace it - Dodge Caravan? Buick Regal? re-VOLT-ing?
As a reference point, I purchased this on Monday:
1999 Carrera 4 Coupe, 6MT
53,500 miles
Ocean Blue ext / Gray full leather interior
Xenon, 6 CD changer, base 17" C4 wheels
RMS, clutch, intermediate flange, and water pump replaced at 37.9k (original IMSB with no signs of wear)
Almost full maintenance history, documentation going back to June 2000
$17.7k
Start a new thread. We want pics. Love the color. Too bad someone doesn't know how to row. These clutches should last ~100k with a bit of care.
Congrats. Nice pickup.
No I would never trade it in for something like what you mentioned... Was thinking about trading in for a Panamera, and while I like them as well, it's not a 911.
Now I want to know where you found that. I've been on the hunt for a while now, pretty much my exact perfect car you got there. Great price, too.
Care to share?
From my Car searching experience... The 3.4 with the "blob" eye headlights are worth less than the 3.6L cars with the turbo headlights.... Good conditioned 3.6L cars in my area are fetching $25-32k
i always get entertained when i see: "original IMSB with no signs of wear"
the only way to know if there is any wear to the IMSB would be to remove transmission and check IMSB for play - even then it is a crap shoot.
since your engine is approaching the IMSB failure "sweet spot", i'd factor in another $2300 and replace it. in essence, you paid or should pay $19.5K for the car - peace of mind=fun motoring. just ask the guys who have lost their engines
Yup, here too. Tbh, I don't like the headlights on the 996.2, plus 3.4L is plenty of displacement/power for me.
Still, 18k for a low milage one with all records seems quite okay. Here's mostly either auction cars with no documentation (one maybe one key) or then 120k beaters.
Don't ask a Porsche dealer to tell you what they will give you on a trade. They will dump it off on a wholesaler so you'll get not much which can be a depressing thought - the car ending up on Big Louies Used Car lot.
I drove a new 991 this weekend. It was nice, to be sure. They had set loose a veritable fleet of Cabs but had to hunt to find a couple. When I then said I'd actually prefer a coupe with a MT they about fainted; the reply was "We do not have any 911 coupes with manual transmissions." So, if you want a Cab (or maybe a coupe) with a slushbox, the "big dealership just down from the UM campus and Coconut Grove" (no need to name names) has you covered. For anything else, not so much. FWIW, the dealership up in Pompano Beach are pretty much the same (that's how I got a deal on my C2 way back when - I wanted to row it, most of their buyers can't/don't know how and it was a couple).
I drove it, I liked it , but I was a lot happier driving home in the 996, rowing as God intended these cars to be driven.
I guess a more accurate statement would be "no external signs of wear", so no metal shavings in the oil, etc. I haven't read the cam deviations yet, but it's on my list of things to check and monitor periodically. I'm honestly hoping that the bearing holds out until the next clutch job, since the dual-row bearing has a statistically lower likelihood of failing, in theory.
The first engine out service was done due to a leaking RMS, and at the same time the guy decided to replace the clutch and water pump, so it's still pretty fresh (16k on the clutch so far). We'll see when I end up having the engine pulled to replace stuff, but without doubt, it's something I'm keeping in mind.
Local car in the Bay Area, just found it on Craigslist. I was actually looking for 996.2, but too many that were badly treated or priced out (25k would get me into a C4S, so why bother with a C2 at that price point?)
i totally understand your position.
you may want to scrape together some $ sooner than later and just take the plunge and do IMS bearing - this way you have peace of mind and even more importantly, zero out any chances of the IMS failure. since clutch was just done, no need to touch that or flywheel. you should be able to get IMS bearing done for $1800
you will also certainly get all of that investment back when you sell so it is something to seriously consider.
and congratulations on your purchase! nice color combo - enjoy and be safe.
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