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(They won't even let you on the track unless you've changed your brake fluid within the last 90 days.)
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I highly recommend the deep sump if you are using sticky tires and driving on a track with big sweepers, a banked sweeper, etc.
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Also if you're concerned get an oil change after the event to keep it fresh.
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At the very minimum you should: change your oil before going.
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Change the oil much more frequently if you track it.
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I have registered to enjoy my first track experience early next month. My initial excitement has started to turn into concern. My 99 996 tip coupe is new to me - and I have made the investment in the IMBS perm fix, new water pump, AOS, suspension, tires, and fresh oils. I have read in these forums that tracking can be hard on car (e.g.,brakes, tires, oil)
Have fun tracking is one of the reasons I purchased the car. My concern is damaging was has become a great daily driver. Can I have both? Should I be concerned? Thank you in advance!
x51 oil pan upgrade done? Hopefully, members who track/have tracked their cars will chime in soon.
P.S. A member racked up 166,000 miles (tons of it on the track) before his car took a "break"
To my knowledge, no X51. Just read about it, and it seems like a straightforward R&R. And to clarify, it will be a daily driver 95% of the time - track a couple of days every few months (until I get completely addicted!)
What exactly is the X51 oil pan? Is it purely extra capacity (how much?) or is it also the baffles?
I'm looking at these on Pelican...
http://www.pelicanparts.com/More_Inf...00&SVSVSI=996J
http://www.pelicanparts.com/More_Inf...35&SVSVSI=996J
http://www.suncoastparts.com/product/FVD20798801.html
I see no reason why you should be worried to take a Porsche 911 to the track for an enjoyable high performance driver event. That's one reason why you purchased a Porsche 911. It's a HIGH performance sports car and it will be fun on the track. Enjoy it! It's not made of china! Some basic research about track days and some common sense preparation should be enough to have a blast. I've seen all kinds of cars flying around the track, your Porsche should be just fine. It's unlikely an amateur driver on street tires is going to push a stock 911 past it's operational limits.
Those were cool, thanks. Jake sounds nothing like I expected
Never been inside an engine so I'm asking from a lack of knowledge, but it looks like the baffle spacer would cause it to keep a fair amount of old oil in the engine no matter how long you let it drain. Is that true? If so, isn't that bad?
You sir are a gentlemen and a scholar
One more question - will the X51, like the Brey-Krause option, "(The R-9095 kit) clears all factory options including the rear skid plate."
...or will I be able to keep my skid plate / heat shield / sheet of tin foil hanging from the coolant lines between the oil pan and the road?
Don't worry. Go have fun. As a novice, you won't be putting high stresses on your car. When you advance to the A group then you will need some mods but until then... have a blast! I can't wait till my first track event this season - PCA track day at Pacific Raceway in May.
Hmmm... well, I tracked my 996, as have many others. I disagree with those who say that it isn't hard on the car. It is.
Now, can you track it and have no major issues? Absolutely. Can you track it and blow the engine? Absolutely.
I highly recommend the deep sump if you are using sticky tires and driving on a track with big sweepers, a banked sweeper, etc. I put a 2-quart deep sump kit on the Boxte'. The car now holds 11.5 quarts.
Put in a better baffle system too, to ward off oil starvation issues.
Change the oil much more frequently if you track it.
For your first day on track, get the car in good shape (good brakes, fluids, street tires) and have fun. You won't do anything to it that would break it.
Have fun. It's the most fun you can have with clothes on.
As others have said, with a bit of extra maintenance, you should be "good to go" to have a blast. Yes, stuff can happen, just like stuff can happen on the street. In the beginning of your track career, you and your car should be fine. P-cars are one of the few cars that can be driven to the track, enjoyed on the track and then driven home......I can;t wait to hear about the smile on your face on the drive back home.....Good luck and enjoy......remember, once the hook goes in, it usually goes in deep and then it is a very slippery slope, daily driver or not.
You'll be just fine on the track especially since it's your first time. I'm assuming you're not going to a massive oval track like Pocono Raceway (technically a triangle) because on Pocono Raceway (a 2.5 mile triangle) even a novice driver can get up into high speeds (over 120 mph) on high banked turns (14 degree bank on turn 1). Oil starvation is an issue for virtually all stock cars on that type of track.
At the very minimum you should: change your oil before going. bleed your brakes with new brake fluid, bring a tire pressure guage and air compressor (unless they have air readily available at the track), "trak tape" if you want to protect the front bumper (otherwise expect some damage), glass cleaner, rags, extra oil, box or bag to put EVERYTHING you need to remove from the car in.
I'm going to New Jersey Motorsports Park on April 23rd with a bone stock 2002 911 C2 tiptronic with 120,000 miles on it, street tires, I'll post the pics and /or video on Rennlist.
OP, what exactly do you mean by your first track event? What kind of event have you signed up for?
Doing hot laps at the Autoclub speedway vs. autocross in a mall parking lot are two different animals...
It's also unlikely that you are going to pull sufficient G's on your first day out to warrant any concern.
First - PCA will prepare you - understand the reason you are out there - to learn the line
And above all Safety first - car preparation on and on- classes will be involved and
Your confidence will accelerate like your car - there are other choices - Skip school understanding
Car handling/ control - you will have the bug once you jump in- GO FOR IT
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Not to be a downer, but I've got to agree with Cuda. Beyond what he said, it's hard on the exterior. You can go with blue tape, or Xpel, or respray after a couple of years. Even if you try to stay away from rocks, etc. on the track, you'll get nicked. I had been running a new Cayman, and stopped because of that. Now I have the 996 and having huge fun! And you will, too�. just know going in...
Any driving event can be hard on your car. I coned one of my side skirts during the PCA SDR performance driving school hard enough to crack the paint underneath the clear bra. I still have cone rash on both of my cars from autocrosses, and we all know that if you're on a big track with long, banked sweepers - like Autoclub Speedway - you can encounter oil starvation.
Even if you're just ragging the engine out on the freeway, you're going to wear the car out faster than driving like a Prius hypermiler. Tracking the car WILL shorten the life of some components - but damn it's fun.
All - thank you for your comments. I will hold off on the X51 for now - the track, the tires, and my driving will not be that extreme. I missed the brake fluid - will do this in next week. And I will need to take my chances similar to DD/streets.
As nice as the car has become, I keep forgetting the reason that I bought it. I will post pictures/video from my day of fun! Thank you all!
Of course track is hard on the car. You're always doing something to its limit - accelerating, braking, turning. All sorts of things get really hot and experience a ton of stress. So far, every track day I've done has cost me quite a bit above my expectations. And I am still too chicken to take the 997 to the track because of this. Prior cars include a Miata and an R53 Cooper S.
Want to do track on the cheap and potentially have more fun than in a car? Get a motorcycle. Of course that also comes with its own risks.
Your first event on the track will be 'mild' but it will be a blast. Don't worry about the x51 yet. It's extra insurance if you are doing long sweepers where engine can be starved of oil. I tracked my 996 NA on several midwest tracks, no issues.
Personally I do always buy track insures for a collision. Lockton Motorsports offers it (
http://locktonmotorsports.com/product/hpde-insurance
) . A few hundred bucks and I sleep better.
You will have a blast! Be sure to post here after your DE so we can be updated!!!
OP, can you explain which IMS bearing fix you chose?
Of all the things you can do, the brake fluid is one of the most important. Even a parking lot autocross can get your brakes hot enough to boil contaminated brake fluid...
I would not advise anyone I really liked to get a motorcycle. I LOVE riding bikes - but it's far too easy to get really hurt on a bike. I never had the misfortune of sliding into a curb or other immovable object when I crashed my bike, and that was a couple of decades ago. Now that people are texting and doing god-knows-what-else while driving, there's no way I'm going back out on a bike.
Sold my Ducati and bought my 996 for the same reason...
Also if you're concerned get an oil change after the event to keep it fresh. There was a really good thread on track preparation if you decide to take it any further
I did my first DE last year in my '02 C2. (They won't even let you on the track unless you've changed your brake fluid within the last 90 days.)
I had a BLAST! But, within about two laps I starred my windshield, and the front bumper, recently painted, looked a bit worse for wear. (I didn't think it was necessary to tape it for DE, but I was wrong.)
The hook was set, for sure, but I quickly realized that my pockets aren't deep enough to keep up with tires and brakes for my fun. I have a '91 really nice Miata, too nice to track, but I'm looking for a beater to satisfy my new track bug. I may take the 996 out again, but it'll be a once in a while thing. Yeah, my Porsche buds will leave me in the dust, but I could blow up a Miata each season and still be far ahead of the money in pocket game.
Hey PNW_Boxer993. Just noticed you are in Bellingham. I guess you will be going to The Ridge or Pacific Raceway. Both are great tracks and lots of fun. The Ridge is probably safer because it has lots of runoff. Pacific has a great flow but it has concrete walls and trees close by. Both have really nice elevation changes. If you are going with the PCA group they run a very safe event. All novice drivers have an instructor for the entire day. This is your first event and you really don't need to worry - your car can handle it. You won't be pulling really high g's in the corners that can cause oil starvation - that comes with lots of experience and R compound tires. Just make sure you have more than 50% on your brake pads, a recent brake fluid flush, and decent street tires. Drink plenty of fluids during the day and listen to your instructor. You're gonna love it!
P.S. If you want a preview of driving The Ridge or Pacific...
https://plus.google.com/u/1/10109626...8710659/videos
