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First Start Up - Prefill Oil Filter or Not????

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YOUR RESEARCHFirst Start Up - Prefill Oil Filter or Not????

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Fill with air

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"This is why ore- filling an oil filter on a freshly built, never fired engine is a bad idea, as you have an air filled system between the pump and the filter, and in the case of the M96, this is a long, complex pathway to have filled with air.

First Start Up - Prefill Oil Filter or Not????
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Fill filter

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Suggestion · Original poster

"People try to outsmart the scenario by filling the filter with oil, they don't know what they don't know, and that increases the priming time of the entire oil system by at least 2-3 X more than if the filter was installed dry.

First Start Up - Prefill Oil Filter or Not????

Suggestion

The reason for pre-filling the filter with The IMS Solution, is because the plain bearing rides on a film of oil - if you don't pre-fill the filter the bearing will be running dry for that much longer (the time it takes to fill the filter with oil)...

First Start Up - Prefill Oil Filter or Not????
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Leading evidence: 'Fill with air' (no explicit attributable resolution; this is a reported action or suggestion). Across 1 matching discussions, The most frequently discussed action is 'Fill filter' (1 discussions). For that action, 0 discussions report a resolution and 0 report an unsuccessful attempt. No action has an explicit, attributable resolution report under the current rules. These are forum reports and suggestions, not a confirmed diagnosis.

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Fill filter

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Suggestion · Original poster

"People try to outsmart the scenario by filling the filter with oil, they don't know what they don't know, and that increases the priming time of the entire oil system by at least 2-3 X more than if the filter was installed dry.

First Start Up - Prefill Oil Filter or Not????

Suggestion

The reason for pre-filling the filter with The IMS Solution, is because the plain bearing rides on a film of oil - if you don't pre-fill the filter the bearing will be running dry for that much longer (the time it takes to fill the filter with oil)...

First Start Up - Prefill Oil Filter or Not????

Fill filter the bearing will be

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Suggestion

The reason for pre-filling the filter with The IMS Solution, is because the plain bearing rides on a film of oil - if you don't pre-fill the filter the bearing will be running dry for that much longer (the time it takes to fill the filter with oil)...

First Start Up - Prefill Oil Filter or Not????

Fill oil filter

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Suggestion · Original poster

"This is why ore- filling an oil filter on a freshly built, never fired engine is a bad idea, as you have an air filled system between the pump and the filter, and in the case of the M96, this is a long, complex pathway to have filled with air.

First Start Up - Prefill Oil Filter or Not????

Recommend becuase the filter is in a different location

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Suggestion · Original poster

Is this now recommended becuase the filter is in a different location?

First Start Up - Prefill Oil Filter or Not????
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Fill filter

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Suggestion · Original poster

"People try to outsmart the scenario by filling the filter with oil, they don't know what they don't know, and that increases the priming time of the entire oil system by at least 2-3 X more than if the filter was installed dry.

First Start Up - Prefill Oil Filter or Not????

Suggestion

The reason for pre-filling the filter with The IMS Solution, is because the plain bearing rides on a film of oil - if you don't pre-fill the filter the bearing will be running dry for that much longer (the time it takes to fill the filter with oil)...

First Start Up - Prefill Oil Filter or Not????

Fill filter the bearing will be

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Suggestion

The reason for pre-filling the filter with The IMS Solution, is because the plain bearing rides on a film of oil - if you don't pre-fill the filter the bearing will be running dry for that much longer (the time it takes to fill the filter with oil)...

First Start Up - Prefill Oil Filter or Not????

Fill oil filter

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Suggestion · Original poster

"This is why ore- filling an oil filter on a freshly built, never fired engine is a bad idea, as you have an air filled system between the pump and the filter, and in the case of the M96, this is a long, complex pathway to have filled with air.

First Start Up - Prefill Oil Filter or Not????

Fill with air

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Performed · outcome unconfirmed · Original poster

"This is why ore- filling an oil filter on a freshly built, never fired engine is a bad idea, as you have an air filled system between the pump and the filter, and in the case of the M96, this is a long, complex pathway to have filled with air.

First Start Up - Prefill Oil Filter or Not????

Recommend becuase the filter is in a different location

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Suggestion · Original poster

Is this now recommended becuase the filter is in a different location?

First Start Up - Prefill Oil Filter or Not????

Run dry

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Suggestion

The reason for pre-filling the filter with The IMS Solution, is because the plain bearing rides on a film of oil - if you don't pre-fill the filter the bearing will be running dry for that much longer (the time it takes to fill the filter with oil)...

First Start Up - Prefill Oil Filter or Not????
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POST 1 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

So all the instructions I've read about first starting on of our engines say NOT to prefull the oil filter. Example: From Raby: "This is why ore- filling an oil filter on a freshly built, never fired engine is a bad idea, as you have an air filled system between the pump and the filter, and in the case of the M96, this is a long, complex pathway to have filled with air. Doing this will dramatically increase the time it takes for the engine to achieve oil pressure, as the system can bleed the air quickly, and fill the filter quickly if the bleeding of the system occurs progressively. I do the same thing with aircooled engines that have large external oil systems, with coolers, and larger filters employed. "People try to outsmart the scenario by filling the filter with oil, they don't know what they don't know, and that increases the priming time of the entire oil system by at least 2-3 X more than if the filter was installed dry. Been there, done that, and compared it before." HOWEVER - Does this apply to engines with an IMS Solution installed? The instructions say to PRE-FILL the oil filter. Is this now recommended becuase the filter is in a different location? HELP

POST 2Original post

I don�t understand this. If the filter is empty, there�s still air in there that needs to be displaced.

POST 3Original post

The instructions with the IMS Solution would be for a scenario that was installed on a USED engine, not for a DRY/NEW engine.. They probably need to include two set of instructions for the two separate scenarios..

POST 4 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

That's kinda what I was thinking. Thanks

POST 5Original post

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The reason for pre-filling the filter with The IMS Solution, is because the plain bearing rides on a film of oil - if you don't pre-fill the filter the bearing will be running dry for that much longer (the time it takes to fill the filter with oil)...

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