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YOUR RESEARCHFirst Visit to Indy Dealer - Not Impressed
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I try to throw business their way when I can, but when I had IMS/RMS, etc repaired, I used the P specialist.
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Let's face it, once you drop the engine, there's a whole lot'a sh*t that can be replaced, while you're in there kind of a thing.
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I have a local generalist shop around the corner that I've used for 20 years.
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If the trans is being separated from the engine and doing the AOS, the time it takes to pull the engine would make up for the time replacing the AOS while the engine was in the car.
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So Today I decided to go visit my local Indy Dealer and introduce myself and check out his operation incase I need him in the Future. All Started good enough. It is just a small shop with 2 Bays, but he is listed on that pcar service site.
I told him I just got a 996 and was interested in a quote for the RMS,AOS,IMS, and Clutch. He questioned what was wrong with the car and explained nothing it is simply a used car and wanted to have a good baseline to start with.
After that he said I would have to bring the car in for him to do an estimate, Fair enough, but I have the car on jack stands right now while getting the wheels powdercoated so said it would have to wait. Then I asked what kind of hours is that job looking at?
He didn't want to tell me and then explained how he would have to Drop the ENGINE AND TRANNY to do the Rear Seal..... I was like ummm, I have been reading on the forums and even bought the 101 Project Book and you don't have to drop the engine to change the RMS. Then he started showing me pictures on his IPhone of a Boxster that had the tranny out and told me since it was mid engine it could be done, but since the engine is in the back of the 911 the whole thing has to be dropped. I just kind of stared at him and was like ok. Thanks for the help.
As I was walking out he said its not easy like the car I drove up in. Which Was my Classic Tahoe I use for errands...
Sucks that he is the only indy within 45 miles.... Why would he be dead set on dropping the engine for a RMS??
There is zero reason to drop the engine for any of those items. I just had them all done by my Indy and while the AOS is apparently a PITA, the engine stayed firmly planted where Porsche put it.
Any Indy worth dealing with should be able to give you an estimate ahead of time and without needing to see the car for such standard things like that since you aren't needing a diagnoses.
OP... Dumb questions, but did you call ahead, so he knew you'd be stopping by? Was it a quiet time when not much was going on in the shop? I ask, because when I was shopping for my Porsche, I found that I had better results calling ahead, and making an appointment at a less busy time. I know if folks show up at my office unannounced - assuming they can get past my assistant - I try to be helpful, but I'm just not prepared, likely thinking of whatever I was doing rather than their issue, etc. Like I said, maybe a dumb question and a random thought...T
If I was doing the job, I'd drop the engine too. If the trans is being separated from the engine and doing the AOS, the time it takes to pull the engine would make up for the time replacing the AOS while the engine was in the car.
Disconnect A/C compressor & PS pump from motor, unplug electronic harness and literally 2 extra bolts to drop the entire engine/trans assembly vs. trans alone.
If I had a lift, I'd be dropping the engine more often than KK did. No, you don't HAVE to drop it for the AOS, but man life would suck less.
If you DO decide to drop the motor, it's a great time to swap out the coolant tank.
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Some guys choose to drop the motor as it's easier for them to do that then to struggle with clearance issues. Just like some choose to drop the muffler/rear bumper when doing coils/plugs. Different methodologies but neither is wrong.
IIRC, places like LA Dismantlers can drop the motor in under 1/2 hour now since they've done it so many times.
Is this an independent DEALER or a MECHANIC? To judge someone fairly, you need to know the correct criteria. If a dealer & mechanic combo, we should be asking "How is the barista?"
Sounds like a mechanic that buys cars to flip, or possibly people couldn't pay their bill so he kept the cars, wouldn't consider him a dealer, but that's just me.
No need to drop the engine for rms/ims/aos on manual transmission cars at all. Doing that not only prolongs the process also wastes liquids such as coolant etc. Tiptronic cars are different
I can't comment on whether better to drop engine or not - but first thing to comment on at "indie"'is
- what cars were in his bays
- what cars were parked outside waiting
The first indie I went to was "german specialist" and had mostly mercedes and bmw at his shop - only one or two Porsches. The next guy I went to had only Porsches - and everything from a 356 to gt3 waiting. Needless to say - second guy was much more familiar with detials on my car (like how to check for weak window regulator as an example) versus 1st guy.
Sure - most shops could do a basic service on these cars - but when it comes to diagnosing problems , big jobs like rms, you want someone who has done it 100 times ....
I agree, doesn't sound promising, but no need to burn a bridge. You may need them down the line.
I wrestled with something similar. I do some of my own work, but know when to throw it to someone with more knowledge, better tools, lift, etc. My excellent Porsche Indy is 35 mies away, so it usually means two trips when I leave it and pick it up. I have a local generalist shop around the corner that I've used for 20 years. Great mechanics, and they've become friends, but they don't work on Porsches much. I try to throw business their way when I can, but when I had IMS/RMS, etc repaired, I used the P specialist. Felt like I was cheating on my wife! It was the right decision though.
Last month my A/C compressor seized, and the guys around the corner did a great job, and probably less than the specialist.
I've done several RMS and AOS on 996 cars. Both can easily be done without risk of collateral damage with the engine in the car. If all you are doing is the RMS or AOS, I'd leave the motor in. If you have other things on your "to do" list, then dropping engine my be advantageous.
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