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My car burned the DT 40 faster than any oil ive used, by far.
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I think the key is also to change oil more frequently than Porsche recommended interval - depends how you drive as to how often - but I wouldn't go over 10k ....
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Unless it's backed up by used oil analysis of 4 oil changes of experimental oil (total) and 4 oil changes of the control oil (let's pick Mobil1) - I don't see how you can make this 'seat of the pants' claim.
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I think the key is also to change oil more frequently than Porsche recommended interval - depends how you drive as to how often - but I wouldn't go over 10k ....
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With the Motul it's more like 1 quart per oil change (maybe a little more).
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Recommend interval - depends how you drive as
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I think the key is also to change oil more frequently than Porsche recommended interval - depends how you drive as to how often - but I wouldn't go over 10k ....
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Common sense tells me the difference between those two oils doesn't expose an issue with my rings (and i've observed the lower consumption over a period of at least 2, if not 3 oil changes).
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Unless it's backed up by used oil analysis of 4 oil changes of experimental oil (total) and 4 oil changes of the control oil (let's pick Mobil1) - I don't see how you can make this 'seat of the pants' claim.
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I think the key is also to change oil more frequently than Porsche recommended interval - depends how you drive as to how often - but I wouldn't go over 10k ....
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I admit I didn't do any analysis on why I think it's better, but the biggest difference I noticed is that it makes the engine run smoother and less noisy.
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and it was always using 1qt for 1k miles - which apparently is in spec - yep change oil at 1 yr/5k - LiquiMoly is not much more expensive on Amazon and cut that consumption by at least a 1/2 ...
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I am just wondering if anyone has used this kind of oil in their 996? Sorry for starting another oil thread but I would like to here comments on this oil as my local Indy mentioned that they recommend this on all 996's. It's straight from Europe and I would like to give it a try on my next oil change. Here is an old approval, but can't find an update... although I know one exists!
I do not use Total oils. Some are approved.
Total Quartz 9000 Energy 5w-40 - WW - 18.05.2013
Total Quartz 9000 5w-40 - EU - 10.04.2011 [Expired]
Total Quartz INEO MC3 5w-40 - WW - 10.04.2011 [Expired]
Total Activa 9000 5w-40 - WW - 18.05.2013
Total Activa Diesel [WTH?] 9000 - 5w-40 - WW - 18.05.2013
Don't know about that 'Diesel' but that's the way it reads in the documentation I have.
Sincerely,
Macster.
I'm specifically talking about Total Quartz 9000 Energy 5w-40 - WW - 18.05.2013
I will give this a try on my next change. I usually use Mobil 1 0W40.
I have heard extremely good things about it!
A little bias in that sense, but I think we are talking about the same indy. I'm surprised to see that not to many people chimed into this oil discussion.
Not too much insight in this type of oil which makes me assume that it is not commonly used. I think this will be my choice of oil from now on, that said, if I actually "like" it. But what's really to like, I don't think it will make any noticeable differences, it's all behind the quality and research.
Just wanted to bump this old thread up.... I have been using this oil for quite some time now and It's fantastic! Better than any oil that I've tried and believe me, I almost tried them all throughout various vehicles that I’ve owned.
What makes it better?
Unless it's backed up by used oil analysis of 4 oil changes of experimental oil (total) and 4 oil changes of the control oil (let's pick Mobil1) - I don't see how you can make this 'seat of the pants' claim.
I have no affiliation at all in any way shape or form with the company. I admit I didn't do any analysis on why I think it's better, but the biggest difference I noticed is that it makes the engine run smoother and less noisy. It doesn't burn oil at all, and for some reason, it doesn't darken up as fast as other oils. There is no condensation in the oil filler tube... I've never noticed any debris/unwanted bits in the oil filter, and my magnetic drain plug has a very minimal film on it. I realise there are many variables and factors to what i just said, but I�m just speaking purely out of a lot of oil change experience!
Also, I noticed with other oil types that the engine performance in general decreases as you rack up more miles... This one stays strong till the end.
I'm not an oil expert by any means, but I'm just going by what I've noticed personally. Glad it gave you stiffs a little chuckle though on such a “serious” subject
Hmm... I guess I have to be an "oil expert" to give my
personal
opinion on an online forum. All I'm saying is that I feel very confident to say that this is a very good oil. My personal opinion is that it runs nicer in my car then Mobil 1 0W40.
Simple math here...
I didn't think I needed to be that obvious. Of course my words were very vague but all I'm saying is that I've been extremely happy with it, moreso then the Mobil and other brands that I have tried.
topaz, - not to drag this out - but I'm happy you're happy with your choice in oil.
but to assert this is a better oil when you have no data to purport that other than just "that's how I feel" is what is probably causing the reaction you're seeing here.
Anyway, you wrote "Simple math here...." - but you actually haven't given us any math to go on...
It sounds like you made a purchase decision on this oil, and you want to share that with other readers - that's fine. But I think in order for you to share that this is somehow "better" oil will require more hard data.
Enjoy
I agree with everything you said, and unfortunately I don't have any hard data to back up my statements. I won't be getting any either as I don't plan to get any analysis done on the oil as I will most likely be selling the car come spring.
Thanks,
Alin
To the OP; The absolute end all motor oil for the 996 is JG DT40. It has real research and proof behind it done by none other than the most recognized M96 expert in North America, Jake Raby and Flat 6I. Dont BS yourself or anyone else about some miracle crap oil. You wont understand squat about oil for the M96 until you read JR's info.
Did anyone actually have a problem with m1 on this board ? It's relatively cheap and easy to find. Oc interval is more critical. If total is Porsche approved knock yourself out. But French oil in German car ? Indie might just be using since cheaper / higher margins for him than m1 ?
I really enjoy these oil threads
I work for one of the large oil companies ( i wont mention which, and i am not in the lubricants department) and this sort of debate I personally thought had died in the 60s. Oil/fuel makes a difference at the very highest levels of motorsport, F1, indy cars etc. In my personal view the manufacturer will spec an oil viscosity/synthetic etc for the engine requirements and general performance matrix. if the oil spec is 0-40 it really isnt going to make alot of difference what bottle it comes out of. Similar to 40% alcohol. a shot of 40% vodka is going to much the same to you as 40% whiskey. Yes i know this is a whole other argument. but my point the spec is the same, and function is the same. Or 100 octane fuel from one or the other retailers.
In my particular oil company the selection of oil from a Car manufacture is generally managed by marketing or b2b. Not the car labs performance centres. Its not hard to see which car manufactures have a contract with which oil suppliers, porsche - exxon- mobil, Ferrari - Shell, Merc- Mobil or Total depending on what car and sponsorship deal. Yes there is different spec oils from all these manufactures which may aid certain aspects of that engine design, but really is a high performance ferrari engine really that different to a high performance porsche engine that a particular brand is better. Spec of oil is much more important then the brand.
To further explain my logic. There are refineries for all super majors, some of them shared/JVs some of them do have IP tech. But they all trade(for gasoline the oil barrel has been traded around 30x before you buy it) additives are added before they reach retail stations to differentiate. Do you really know which refinery made your bottle of oil? yes it will be made to manufacture tolerances. but original oil/feedstock could be quite varied and refineries quite operationally different.
A good quality refined oil from any of the majors and some independents that matched the manufactures specifications, or enhanced specification from a race team/ engine builder will work. dont get me wrong i am not suggesting putting olive oil into your engine. look at the spec, and logically ask your self is this any different to mobil, helix, total etc. Should i pay more for the bottle.
I buy the best oil at the best price and less worried about the brand that sold it to me. I however will continue to enjoy the oil threads
I switched from m1 0w40 to LiquiMoly (on Amazon) 5w40 and it definitely cut oil consumption for my California climate 75k mile 996 in half - having said that never had a bad uoa with the m1 - including after running it at the track. I think the key is also to change oil more frequently than Porsche recommended interval - depends how you drive as to how often - but I wouldn't go over 10k ....
What kind of oil consumption were you having?
Both my Boxster and 996 use virtually no oil between changes.
The 996 get changed at 5k and the Boxster at 5k unless it has > 2500 miles and I am going to the track and then I change it before the track weekend
i got my car at 55k miles
and it was always using 1qt for 1k miles - which apparently is in spec - yep change oil at 1 yr/5k - LiquiMoly is not much more expensive on Amazon and cut that consumption by at least a 1/2 ...
A40 & MB 229.5 are the best Full SAPS specs.
A30/VW504 & MB 229.51 are the two Mid SAPS specs, but usually come in 5w-30, with the notable exception of Mobil 1 5w-40 ESP, found at VW dealers used in TDi
I made a chart specific for you guys. As you see, MB 229.5 exceeds A40, and A30 being even better, but needing low sulphur gas to do it.
https://online.lubrizol.com/relperftool/pc.html
As for the guy who uses Rotella, the E9 spec it carries is the top diesel spec, so no worries. Just that Chevron Delo might be a little better.
https://cglapps.chevron.com/msdspds/...&docFormat=PDF
There's two oils to consider, one costs double the other. Also maybe consider Castrol 0w-40 with a host of mfg specs and the new titanium dioxide nano additive. It gets worked into the engine block's metal lattice. I believe this is a must-try product.
I have these old Porsche temp graph I'll throw in as a bonus...
Where can I find this? Did a light search but didn't come up with much (except the recommendations itself, of course). Very interested to see the nitty-gritty, might even switch oils if I can get my hands on some after reading and verifying that research
Hi Jake, just recently saw you replied to my post.
My car was using ~ 1 quart per 1500 miles with DT40. With the Motul it's more like 1 quart per oil change (maybe a little more).
Common sense tells me the difference between those two oils doesn't expose an issue with my rings (and i've observed the lower consumption over a period of at least 2, if not 3 oil changes).
The enrichment thing has me wondering though...my car has 107k miles and runs amazingly well . I did have a buddy tell me he smelled gas when I passed him once though?
A blackstone analysis would tell me if I had fuel in my oil, is that where I should start?
Again, my car runs amazingly well and hasn't used oil significantly since I switched to Motul.
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