This is so full of doo doo

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...e-911-996-3-4/

yeah, I know. When you do a search for 1999 911 it comes up. My big problem with the article is that the original series of articles was titled GM's deadly sins which led to their demise and eventual bankruptcy. I think GM's deadly sin #1 was the Citation if I remember correctly. The 996 actually saved Porsche and made it a stronger company. The guy who wrote this article is clue less

I'd love to see his selling price comparisons 996-1 @ $20k and a 996-2 @ $50k. Not very accurate.

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The 996 actually saved Porsche and made it a stronger company. The 996 actually saved Porsche and made it a stronger company. The 996 actually saved Porsche and made it a stronger company. The 996 actually saved Porsche and made it a stronger company. HAHAHAHAHAHA

Don't feed the trolls. This guy's not thinking clearly due to his having to drive with the heat on full blast in heavy traffic in his 993..

Post 4 is in fact by the same person that wrote the article in question.

http://www.theflatsix.com/2014/06/10...se-of-the-996/

That author is a tool.

Long-time Porsche owners found the 996 driving experience to be as bewildering as the build quality. This was a quiet, flimsy-feeling car that outhandled, outaccelerated, and outbraked the outgoing 993 while never feeling anything like as substantial as said air-cooled predecessor. This sentence makes no sense whatsoever. Could have just as easily said: Gilligan found Ginger to be incredible in the sack. Full bosom, narrow waist and a hellcat under the sheets. However, he wished Mrs. Howell were with him instead.

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Correct, "Walter Rohrl".

Imagine if porsche had stayed with the air cool engine? Just like Suzuki in the late 80's when they had to changed the gsxr super bike to water cooled to increase power. Either change or die a slow embarrassing death I bought one of those water cooled gsxr. 750 !

Haha! Got about 1/4 of the way through the article and had to quit. The author clearly has a chip on his shoulder and is very biased. He must have a 993

He's pissed because he can't drive his everyday without breaking down.

Cmon, we can do better than a 2010 blog post for our fix of 996-bashing, can't we?

Easily, but it's cool to know that Jack has a Rennlist account. I like his writing quite a bit when he's not making fun of my car.

I love my 996 but I agree with 90% of what the author wrote. The 996 is definitely the low point in the 911 evolution. With that being said, the worst 911 is still better than just about any other car.

Well, you can thank guys like Jack and articles like this for making these cars cheap to buy. Jack, do you think you can write an update and do a hack job on the 996TT now? Especially the speed yellow ones with a 6-speed, black interior and heavily optioned with some nice, tasteful mods and lots of recent maintenance already completed. I've heard cars like that are real POS's.

I must have the 996 shoulder chip and I definitely have opinions, but the author confuses facts and opinions. Fact. The original article about GM cars was about which cars destroyed GM. Fact. GM is a shadow of its formal self Fact. Porsche sold half many 993's as 996's Fact. Porsche is making a lot more cars 15 years later. Opinion. After reading the article I think 993 owners have bigger chips than I do.

The 996 was the turning point for Porsche to start making more vehicles and more profit. The 996 and the 986 represent a quantum leap forward for Porsche as a corporation. Had Porsche continued to make smaller numbers of cars with lawnmower engines, its future would have been vastly different. The article makes a number of good points, albiet with the same subtlety and tact common in Sarah Palin's speeches. I think the claim that the car's dynamics are poor - while in the same breath noting that the performance numbers eclipse the previous 911 - is disingenuous. Could Porsche have done better than molded plastic for many of the interior parts? Sure. Does the 993 look as much like a Celica inside as a 996? In my opinion, yes. The assertion that the 996 is somehow an enormous step backward for Porsche as far as interior quality goes doesn't hold water for me. It's a sports car, not a Rolls Royce - I think a spartan interior is appropriate, and frankly, Porsche doesn't really do "sumptuous" very well. While the 996's flaws are overstated (aggressively) in the article, this thread gives me one more opportunity to point out my gratitude for those flaws. I would not be driving a GT3-look 911 of any generation if not for the IMS bearing and other symptoms of Porsche's growing pains - and while I'm sorry for every 996 owner who got the shaft before Porsche finally owned up to the design flaws, I'm still in love with my 996.

There are few statements that don't seem more absurd when followed by "Clearly, this was the work of the Devil." This is one of them: "This was a quiet, flimsy-feeling car that outhandled, outaccelerated, and outbraked the outgoing 993 while never feeling anything like as substantial as said air-cooled predecessor." I suppose being heavy, slow, and antiquated might be interpreted as "substantial." Opinion: Using "said" in the phrase "as said air-cooled predecessor" makes you sound like a douchenozzle.

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Talk about hitting the nail on the head......hats off dude as you are my new hero for saying this, freaking fantastic!!!

If you accept that the 996 is in any way superior to the 993 for outhandling, outbraking, and outaccelerating the 993, then you have to also, logically, accept the idea that the C5 Z06 is a better car than the 996. If you can do that, you're at least logically consistent. As far as a 996TT hit piece... that's the one 996 I really want! But I'm told by the people who run them hard that the front diffs are very fragile.

An old article, saw it a long time ago. A snoozer then, a snoozer now. Gonzo, got a good laugh out of your Gilligan analogy. Schnelly, I agree with you only partially about the interior. For the price of these cars (when new), I think they should have some sort of "wow" factor when you first sit in one. They don't. I 100% agree with you on his use of the word "said" in that sentence. The whole article is marginal, at best. Pzkw993, why does one "...have to also, logically, accept the idea that the C5 Z06 is a better car than the 996."??? A totally different driving experience.

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Your argument is unsound. 996 is an evolution of the 911 model line, it is a better performing and more comfortable car compared to the 993. Z06 and 996 are a competing platforms with very different approaches to performance. Z06 is a better performing car than 996, because Z06 is a street legal race car. Z06 is a better performance value than 996, again because it is a street legal race car. Z06 is a worse all-rounder than 996. "Better Car" is not a quantifiable term. Even today C5 Z06 remains a relevant performance car. It is a bargain for what you get performance-wise. With minor bolt-on mods, good tires and 100 shot of N20 it will run right next to the 991 Turbo S.

^^^ on a straight line. I have the new stingray. Yeah its fast but not as fun as the 996. Put me next in line kcattorney for that yellow 996tt.

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I may have missed something, but introducing the Corvette here seems to confuse your point in the article, which I believe is that the 993 is better because it didn't try to be a mass market car. So what are you trying to say by comparing to the Z06? You can buy one hell of a 996 for $20k right now because of this cliche of it not being a 'real' 911. It's also probably the easiest import car I've ever worked on, so DIY maintenance is fully possible. Isn't that worth celebrating?

This guy's not thinking clearly due to his having to drive with the heat on full blast in heavy traffic in his 993

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He's no pj o'orourke or Mel Nichols or even a David E Davis (RIP)

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I accept the fact that your day job pays the bills for your moonlighting as a writer. I accept the fact that correspondence programs in creative writing graduates are tired of being followed by seven people on their personal blog sites and are now branching out to car forums...

This whole thread is Lol but I'll play. If you're gonna throw out the ZO6, at least compare apples to apples. ZO6 should be in the same court as the gt3 model. And we know the gt3 model gets nowhere near the scrutiny compared to the regular model. But yes I would take a ZO6 over my car but would take the 993 over the ZO6 if offered(flamesuit on).

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This took me a while to wrap my head around when I bought her's (new). At the time I had a Jag XK8 and while Jag can't do electrical to save their lives, they know (knew, I don't like the new cars at all) how to make a damn fine interior. What I finally realized was that I paid for two entirely different things even though they both had 4 wheels (the Jag was the beginning of my car awakening). With the Jag you were getting refinement and sensuality while with the 911 you're getting something much more raw and focused. I originally thought of the 996 as a luxury (as in "high class") car because of it's price, but it's really not and was never meant to be. Any 911 is focused on the actual drive and function of getting there rather than how good the aesthetic experience might be. I've been in 993s and 997s and I find them to be just as spartan and "cheap" as the 996. Even today's Porsches are lacking compared to most of the others that are likely to be cross shopped. That said, however, I think it is more than just Porsche and extends to German cars as a whole. BMW interiors are real garbage since they really are trying to be in the lux market and while Merc is better, they still leave a lot to be desired when standing next to a Jag. I will say that I'm glad we ponied up for the entire herd of dead cow in the car. It's not the best leather, but it is better than the plastic (but again this holds true in the 993s and 997s I've been in too).

The aircooled geeks don't like the 996 headlights--it's as simple as that. They make up all kinds of little reasons to get butthurt about the 996 because they're worried someone might not immediately recognize their superiority as a Porsche owner/snob. Want proof? Ask them what they think of the 997, which itself is just an evolution of the 996 design. They're all more willing to be seen in a 997, because everyone gets that it's a Porsche. Silly.

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I was definitely surprised to find that when I was X5 shopping, the cabin was COMPLETELY devoid of leather unless you are willing to pay for upgrades. I was not, and lived with pleather seats for a couple of years. I think the only thing on earth that can make you sweat more than waiting for your PPI results is BMW's black plastic faux leather seating. It's truly miserable during the summer.

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Indeed. I have a friend that I just won't talk Porsche with anymore. He got an original 986 before we got our 996 and loved it. Then he traded up to a 997 and now goes on about how bad the 996 is. He also refuses to accept the reality of how much the 996.2 and 997.1 have in common. It'd be funny if it weren't so aggravating. Of course he is one of those that barely drives it (12k on an 06 or 07) There was an article in one of the PCA mags (can't remember if it was regional or overall) a year or so ago about how the 993 was supposed to be water cooled and have 4 wheel steering (apparently the rear suspension reflects this). Bet the "purists" would think differently of their precious 993 if all that had actually happened

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what non-sense is this? considering, ********, that a 993 doesn't use coolant running through a heater core, running the heat has basically no affect. go back to the 944 forums chump.

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Interior quality and interior luxury are different things. the quality of materials are different. 993s have vinyl wrapped items, not hard plastic. The quality of plastics and finishes is also superior. The assembly of these items with screws (very few clips) also leads to a higher level of quality. air cooled car interiors hold up better than the watercooled stuff.

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I don't have experience with Porsche's air cooled car interiors, but having owned three 944s, I can agree that the materials that Porsche used in the 80s and 90s was different. And my overall belief is that they wore better compared to the 996 interior, but mostly this is because of the painted plastic that Porsche used for high abuse areas such as the center console. IMO had Porsche come up with a better plastic or continued to use the durable vinyls, I think the 996 interiors would have been better than the prior models were.

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Agreed. I put my 944 through a lot in the interior and aside from a dirty steering wheel it looked pretty much the same as the day I bought it. My 996 though has black marks from scuffing all over the center console and other painted surfaces. The materials might be sturdy but the painted surfaces leave a lot to be desired. But this doesn't deter me from enjoying the car because I bought it for performance and feel - and a working A/C!