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Clean maf sensor several times

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I cleaned my MAF sensor several times and then gave up.

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Check wire damage

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First with a multimeter and then by unwrapping the wires from the MAF to the ECU to check for wire damage.

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Inspect 996 wiring harness

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The diagnostic procedure for this code recommends checking out the wiring harness, so next we thoroughly inspected the 996 wiring harness.

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Install engine was happy

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It is necessary to keep in mind that with the other sensors installed the engine was happy to run (while setting the P0102 code).

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Replace mass air flow sensor

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Performed · outcome unconfirmed · Original poster

As a diagnostic aid, we swapped a MAF from the same model year Boxster (my track car) into the 996 and observed the same code.

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I have read many threads on here about replacing the MAF sensor with Bosch and so on.

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Run because the ecu was in limp-in mode

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I believe that the engine ran because the ECU was in limp-in mode.

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Check wire damage

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Suggestion · Original poster

First with a multimeter and then by unwrapping the wires from the MAF to the ECU to check for wire damage.

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Check wiring

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I will double check the wiring ...

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Clean maf sensor several times

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I cleaned my MAF sensor several times and then gave up.

P0102 code

Inspect 996 wiring harness

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Performed · outcome unconfirmed · Original poster

The diagnostic procedure for this code recommends checking out the wiring harness, so next we thoroughly inspected the 996 wiring harness.

P0102 code

Install engine was happy

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Performed · outcome unconfirmed · Original poster

It is necessary to keep in mind that with the other sensors installed the engine was happy to run (while setting the P0102 code).

P0102 code

Replace mass air flow sensor

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Performed · outcome unconfirmed · Original poster

As a diagnostic aid, we swapped a MAF from the same model year Boxster (my track car) into the 996 and observed the same code.

P0102 code

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I have read many threads on here about replacing the MAF sensor with Bosch and so on.

P0102 code

Replace while the hot film maf value is

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Suggestion · Original poster

Air Mass values changing while the Hot Film MAF value is fixed at 1 volt.

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Run (while

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Suggestion · Original poster

It is necessary to keep in mind that with the other sensors installed the engine was happy to run (while setting the P0102 code).

P0102 code

Run because the ecu was in limp-in mode

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Performed · outcome unconfirmed · Original poster

I believe that the engine ran because the ECU was in limp-in mode.

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Run correctly

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I think what he is saying is many have tried 2-3 of the bosch parts but have only got the car to run correctly with porsche branded version.

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This sensor did not fix the problem, but at least it failed differently.

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I cleaned my MAF sensor several times and then gave up.

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POST 1 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

This issue started when we connected a Durametric to a 1998 996 track car and observed the P0102 code (which returns immediately when cleared). As a diagnostic aid, we swapped a MAF from the same model year Boxster (my track car) into the 996 and observed the same code. The diagnostic procedure for this code recommends checking out the wiring harness, so next we thoroughly inspected the 996 wiring harness. First with a multimeter and then by unwrapping the wires from the MAF to the ECU to check for wire damage. I am an experienced tech and am 99.9% sure that there are no opens or shorts in the wiring harness. Next we connected the Durametric to the Boxster and observed the same code. It seems that the code is present in both cars regardless of which MAF is installed. We obtained a third MAF and installed it in the 996. The result was the same P0102 code (in both cars). Digging in a little deeper with the Durametric we observed the Air Mass (V) and Hot Film MAF (kg/h) values. With the engine running, the Air Mass voltage is a steady 1 volt and the Hot Film MAF value fluctuates at about 18 kg/h. We verified the 1 volt value by backprobing the MAF with the engine running. I am very confused at this point and I think it odd that my Boxster would run seemingly normal. Here are two questions that I'm hoping someone can answer ... Should the Air Mass voltage fluctuate with the engine running? If the MAF is bad, where are the observed air flow (kg/h) values coming from? I think it unlikely that we have three bad MAF sensors, but we don't know where else to turn. TIA

POST 2Original post

So many things here that don't add up. Makes giving precise diagnostics impossible. A few thoughts that may sort out some on this. 1 a code P0102 means the MAF is not connected 2 there is a "specified MAF value" and an " actual MAF value" make sure you know the difference and are not confusing the two. 3 list the actual parts numbers of the MAF you are "testing with" compared to the ones that work 4 show a picture of the actual screen shot of the values 5 test each wire of the MAF connector for continuity

POST 3 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

I appreciate the help and the questions. Honestly, I am not sure of the difference between the "Spec. Air Mass" and an "Air Mass" values (will research tomorrow), but you can see in the attached screenshot that they vary together. Given that the Hot Film MAF value is fixed at 1 volt, I am still confused as to what is causing these values to increase with engine RPM. All three MAF sensors have the same part number (996.606.123.00). The current working theory is that all three are bad (as unlikely as that might be) so we don't have a good part to reference. In the attached screenshot you can see the Air Mass and Spec. Air Mass values changing while the Hot Film MAF value is fixed at 1 volt. This seems wrong to me, but the three MAF sensors I have are behaving the same. With the car running, I again used a thin wire to back probe pin 5 on the MAF and the Durametric and Fluke multimeter values agree. We had only checked out the wiring on the 996, so I did go through the Boxster wires with a multimeter and everything checks out .

POST 4 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Was able to find a data sheet for Bosch MAF sensors. The data sheet (attached) includes an internal wiring diagram that is shown below. I had to get some help from a EE friend of mine, but the essence of our conversation was that pin 5 should output a voltage relative to the airflow across the sensor. I believe that this answers my question about the voltage being fixed at 1 volt. However, this doesn't help me to understand how we could have three bad sensors. I've been fixing cars since the 70s and I've learned not to trust the easy answer. Internal MAF wiring diagram

POST 5 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

I also dug into the difference between Spec. Air Mass and Air Mass. I found this in a post on another site. In answer to part of your original question, "Spec." is short for Specific. ie a specific mass flow rate (Kg/hr) calculated from a volumetric flow (cu.m/hr) at standard conditions . I expect that this value would be important for someone fixing lean (or rich conditions). https://www.renntech.org/topic/22497...comment-259217

POST 6Original post

IMHO the MAF sensor is one engine management component you can't screw around with. Buy a brand new OE Porsche MAF sensor correct for your year/model. Seen and read many threads about the MAF sensor. It really is key to almost all of the DME engine functions. I know it is expensive, but this is one not to cut corners on. Just my opinion.

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I have heard the thought output by DB above before. Would anyone care to hazard a guess as to why the part in a Porsche box and associated tax, would be different than an identical part that has the exact same Bosch and Porsche part numbers stamped on them, in a factory sealed box and labeled on the parts and boxes "Made in Germany" be different?

POST 9Original post

Quality control. I have read many threads on here about replacing the MAF sensor with Bosch and so on. All I'm saying is this is one component you can't go all el cheapo on. That is, if you want it to work right.

POST 10Original post

Since Bosch makes them all, you're suggesting that they knowingly ship substandard parts to the aftermarket?

POST 11Original post

I think what he is saying is many have tried 2-3 of the bosch parts but have only got the car to run correctly with porsche branded version. Read into what u will... not saying that its the issue in this case but it has been in multiple others.

POST 12 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

I do appreciate everyone's input. Every little bit helps. I'm not opposed to purchasing the Porsche part. However, I am concerned that there is something about these 2 cars that caused three sensors to fail. Maybe it's a pipe dream, but before spending the money, it would be nice to know what caused the failures.

POST 13Original post

Hot filament mass air flow sensor with electronics built in. My theory is over time the filament deteriorates, as do the built in electronics. I cleaned my MAF sensor several times and then gave up. I bought an OE Porsche MAF sensor and never looked back. That was over 10 years ago. So, for my 99 996 (built 7/98) 23 years of running and one replacement MAF sensor. 147K miles.

POST 14 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

There was a tiny bit of progress today. We obtained a fourth MAF with unknown history. This sensor did not fix the problem, but at least it failed differently. What was different is that the engine will not run with this sensor. I know what you are thinking ... how can "not running" be characterized as progress? It is necessary to keep in mind that with the other sensors installed the engine was happy to run (while setting the P0102 code). I believe that the engine ran because the ECU was in limp-in mode. Not running is different behavior. We conducted another test. With the ignition on, engine not running, and Durametric connected, we blew air across the sensor (like blowing out a candle). The result was a change in voltage as shown in the attached screen grab. I was pleased to observe that the ECU was at least able to show the Hot Film MAF value changing. Previous attempts at this same test did not change this value. Here is my theory. This sensor looks functional to the ECU so it does not go into limp-in mode. However, the output (pin 5) is so far out of range that the engine won't run. Also, remember that I was confused as to where the Air Mass data was coming from. I now believe that this data is the result of the ECU being in limp-in mode. The ECU would know about things like displacement, RPM, temperature, etc. With all that data it would be relatively easy to calculate an approximate value for Air Mass ... accurate enough to allow one to get home anyway.

POST 15 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Here are closeup photos of the 4 MAF sensors. Can anyone tell me what the third line of numbers represents?

POST 16Original post

Looks like you are narrowing down your issue::::: a couple of tips.. Having 3 dead MAFs I would be looking for faulty/bad ground issue frying the MAF's .. The part # "123" MAF's are notorious for fouling due to dirt, there was a TSB from Porsche back in the day, that with a DME " update" you could use the part # "124" MAF that is much more resistant to dirt. I am wondering what is the History on the "track car" and whether it's DME and MAF have the same "History" ( the DME "could" have the updated program that needs the 124 MAF)..

POST 17 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Both the 996 and the Boxster are dedicated track cars and (pre-covid) would see dozens of track days throughout the year. My car (the Boxster) has been sidelined for a couple of years while my wife and I were building a new house/garage. The 996 has a Raby built engine and the ECU has been correspondingly modified. The Boxster was built for the SPB class which does not allow for ECU updates. I will double check the wiring ... maybe even add a redundant ground wire to the MAF wiring harness. Might not help, but it can't hurt. I've never disassembled one of these sensors and half expect the electronics to be potted in epoxy anyway. I wonder if they suffer the same capacitor failures as seems to plague the electronics industry these days?

POST 18 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Here is a follow up for anyone that might have a similar issue. Both cars are running again. Not wanting to blow any more money on sensors I purchased a cheapie off Amazon. After first testing the cheap one, the 996 owner went with a Porsche branded unit. For what it's worth, the inexpensive replacement seems to work well. I will have an opportunity to test thoroughly at a DE event next week. Amazon Amazon

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So what was causing the problem?

POST 20 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Hard to say. We never nailed down a definitive cause. It's possible that, by coincidence, we both had bad MAF sensors. I'm not a big believer in coincidence, but one can't rule it out. Since we extensively tested the MAF sensors in both cars, it is possible that something in one of the cars caused the problem. For example, one of the cars could have voltage spikes from a bad alternator. Something like this, especially if intermittent, is difficult to test for. I still think it odd that my car (the Boxster) would run with a bad MAF, whereas the 996 would not. We are both headed to BIR for the club race this weekend. Should be a good test. I will report back if one of us should have another failure.

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