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Toward the end that also was not the case, as the refunds were adjusted for all internal failures.
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I am swaping my regular engine witn an X51. The new X51 will come from Germany but they are asking for a core and they do not accept my reg one.
I need an X51 engine, any condition... And my reg engine will be available incase if needed.
Any idea where I can find one?
Check Ebay, one of the dismantlers in California had one not too long ago. Some of the parts and pieces for that car are on Ebay but I can't remember which vendor had the car.
How much does a new x51 engine cost with the current exchange values? And wouldn't it make more sense to sell your car and get a GT3? Failing to see the financial logic here...
The one that crashed this year was just caged and is currently being transformed into a full race car. It had 20k miles and sold for $21k without the orig. wheels or interior bits. I almost bought it but passed when the 03' X51 I'm currently building came on the market. LA Dismantlers had it....
At one of the auctions I have bought from I have seen a few GT3's, several TT's, and one Turbo S engine I would have love to have snagged. I dont recall seeing an X51 there but most would not know what it was anyway which makes it harder when going by the descriptions they use. I will try and pay more attention to the next Porsche's. I practically stole a sweet 96 Bronco awhile back that I now love because the sellers were too dumb or lazy to figure out what to do if you lose the ignition key.
Its due to engine failure and insurance is paying. I can either replace mine or get an X51 if I can find the core. They say its the same price doesn't matter what I get and around $20K-$22K for the engine.
My mechanic says there is not huge difference between reg 996 and an X51 996. My car is lightly modifeid anyways. I guess it does make difference if its an Carrera S X51.
I will still keep looking.
Instead of hunting around and buying an engine you cant just pay the core price to the place where youre getting your new motor from. Im sure if they agree to do that there is not gona be much of a price difference berween buying a motor or just paying for not having a core, you will save a whole lot of time and your car will be back on the road quicker.
Fact can be full of doom. Before the Porsche crate engine program went away core charges for most everything were 15K+. Some engines had a core charge greater than the cost of the new engine.
Core requirements also changed; in times past as long as an engine didn't have a hole in the block you'd get full core refunds for the engine that was returned. Toward the end that also was not the case, as the refunds were adjusted for all internal failures. That means you might get all your money back, a little of the money back, a lot of the money back or none of the money back. It was up to Porsche AG and yes, your engine went to Germany to be processed, if you wanted it back, that was OK, just pay shipping from Germany.
Mass production programs rely on cores being returned, if they are not, then the program fails. Thats one of many reasons why I'd never consider a mass production program at Flat 6 Innovations.
Now, I don't know where the OP is sourcing the engine, but my last query found zero crate engines in the Porsche program worldwide. If he is buying a true X51 engine I'd think they'd require an X51 engine in return. Who knows, their program may not require this.
The cylinder heads are vastly different in regard to port profiles, bifurcation points, bowl shapes and etc. The same goes for the camshafts; however all components deeper than the cylinder heads remain the same as the non X51 engine.
After growing tired of dealing with the X51 components, we just made our own R51 heads and beat the X 51s across the board by 12% on the flow bench. They are that hard to find.
Lots changed in 3 years... Lots changed in this calendar year.
When I started working with M96 engines a new one was 5,500.00 and they didn't even ask for a core back.
They were so cheap that no one wanted to work with them- just replace them. They screwed themselves.
To Jake's point - in April of 2013 I was quoted $22k for the crate engine and $17,500 for the core deposit with NO guarantee that the core would be refunded. Sounds like I dodged a bullet in a bigger way than I thought as Porsche provided the crate engine on their dime and no core charge issues. Hearing that crate engines aren't even available today I guess I got double lucky.
There ya go.. Luckily your dealer told you those things up front and actually knew about the dynamics of the engine sale. Most do not, and therefore didn't fully represent the entire scope of the transactions. They didn't know what could happen, until it did.
The people that really got screwed on these deals were shops. They would get a 2-3K discount on the Porsche engine, then they'd buy it from the dealer and collect the core deposit from the owner as well. When PAG kept the core money the SHOP had to call the owner and tell them they would not be receiving the core deposit funds back. In most of the instances it was never questioned that the core deposit would be returned. I know of a few dozen shop owners who ended up in litigation because of this as they were the bad guy, because they collected the core money. In my classes for the past couple of years I have advised shop owners NOT to get in the middle of these deals and just have the owner buy the engine from the dealer, so the dealer got screwed. Now thats all over with, since our only competitor decided to remove themselves from the game.
Lon, I don't think he'd be willing to accept a box of parts that looks like they came from 3 Mile Island. Crazy thing is, thats not the worst pile of rubble we've ever seen.
yeah, I thought about that too... this online place asked $3K for
reg
engine core. New X51 engine will be coming from Germany Porsche. I was told they charge the same for reg or X51 which is around $22K-$24K and guess what... Their core is $13K!
I was hoping to find an X51 core around or less than $3K. Other option would be to swap my engine with an X51 in any condition.
You sure about that? I would double check as I find it hard to believe Porsche would charge the same between a x51 and regular motor.
Also I'm pretty sure your mechanic is mistaken when he says its a direct swap. Maybe he meant physically.
If you wanted to go used, you missed a used gt3 motor that popped up a few months ago for 15. That would've been a great swap IMO.
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at the Porsche core pricing and actual values of the cars.
There is a real market developing right now for the cost effective engine swap on the 996/986 cars.
J32/J35 or VQ35/VQ37 motors are a perfect fit power-wise. Smaller four cylinder boosted motor would definitely be even more interesting option. Subaru turbo 4 or Nissan's SR20s or Mitsu 4G63 in 996 makes for one hell of a car. 450HP SR20 sitting in the 996 would be an absolute blast to drive.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/JDM-NISSAN-2...30c911&vxp=mtr
Buy, swap, tune, destroy any other 911 around. Total cost would come to under $15,000. Superior performance, reliability, and financial benefit.
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Side note on this, from my Acura experience. My daily driver car with nearly identical power output to 996 breaking 200,000 miles mark. 3.2 260HP factory, 3.2 300HP with intake and comptech headers. Multiple N20 runs, race track visits, off road driving. EVERY drive-line part if factory original, valve covers were never lifted off the car. Only routine maintenance. Never used a drop of oil.
Maintenance schedule for the last 50k miles, that is IT. Nothing else was done from 150k to 200k:
12/1/2011 160,000 Engine Oil, Tranmission Fluid, Wipers.
7/12/2012 170,120 Engine Oil, Transmission Fluid, Air Filter, Cabin Filter, Coolant
1/5/2013 180,200 Engine Oil, Transmission Fluid, Fuel Treatment.
5/25/2013 185,100 Winter tires replaced with Potenza EL42s.
7/15/2013 187,200 Rotors, brake pads, Brake Fluid.
7/29/2013 188,500 Battery.
9/25/2013 190,100 Engine Oil, Transmission Fluid, Air Filter, Cabin Filter, Fuel Treatment.
1/19/2014 195,250 Engine Oil, Fuel Treatment.
6/15/2014 199,200 Brake rotors, pads, brake fluid.
7/11/2014 200,500 Engine Oil.
Jake, I would gladly pay you $10,000.00 to swap me a J32A2 motor in my 996 on any given day. This way, I know that 996 is good to go for the next 10 years and I never again have to worry about anything under the hood. Crank, go, VTEC, Redline...rinse and repeat until you are exhausted.
2003 Acura TL Type-S Breaking 200,000 miles. - YouTube
Yes... I am sure... my mechanic told Porsche to source a new engine. Porsche guy told my mechanic that he can order Reg engine or X51 from Germany however Porsche Germany wants the same engine core! You cannot get X51 and send Reg! Then I asked what if I pay for the core and the answer was $13K!
What do you think brothers and sisters...? Below please find what my insurance lady emailed me today...
Btw we are talking about 2002 Carrera Convertible w 40K miles... excellent body/interior w some modifications such as... Short shifter, chip config for performance boost, air intakes, Oz racing rims upgrade, upgraded muffler and exhaust... I hit the bottom while driving, cranked the oil pan, kept driving and seized the engine... Rebuild cost around $17K, New engine $22500+tax on labor (per my mechanic)
I just am reviewing shops est and it appears to be a total. if for some reason it comes back a repairable from our tl dept there will be a betterment applied to oem engine of 20% which would be $4060.00. we got the 20% by looking at year of vehicle and giving benefit of life expectancy of 200,00 miles on engine and 10% a year.
That's a beautiful car. Its a shame that your insurance is trying to total it. So from my understanding its your car insurance not an aftermarket warranty that you had bought for the car right?
If that's the case I would insist on either them finding you and exact replacement or paying you enough for you to replace it without any cut ends of what you had before.
I am sad but totaled!
they didnt want to let me get a new engine. My options were to get it rebuild or total.
I am in my mid 30s had 20+ cars already, met with Porsches when I first bought a Cayenne sold it in 3months cause of not enough power and then bought a Cayenne Turbo S sold it due to high gas consumption and bought this. Out of all the cars I had this was the only one I really liked to drive.
Now I will shop for Turbos!
This makes no sense. They denied you from buying one of their engines? Considering you were willing to spend $25k+ on a motor, you ever given a thought to one of Jakes high performance motors? 3.8L sounds yummy...
No, I wasn't going to spend... They were ok w rebulding it. I asked them to change the engine instead. They said no and I said no to rebuild. They will get the car towed on Monday and I started looking for my next already.
Full coverage with any insurance carrier, comp & coll, provides coverage for roadbed collision which is what the OP describes he experienced. Just apply your deductible and your covered, no special insurance needed.
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