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I fitted a pair of Ventus V12 Evo on my Targa a week ago, and the result is less than adequate, with a floatiness in the handling, and parasitic steering behaviour in long fast curves.
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Somewhere around 2:40 of the video posted above, Steve Dolby (Michelin product manager) explains that the Pilot Sport 2 has been replaced by two tires -- the Pilot Sport 3 for smaller cars like the Mini or Golf, and the Pilot Super Sport for cars like the 911.
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I just replaced my Michelin Pilot super sports with new ones great tires.
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I'm a big fan of my Michelin Pilot Super Sport's N3 (fronts are N6, just replaced the N3..ie rears).
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I fitted a pair of Ventus V12 Evo on my Targa a week ago, and the result is less than adequate, with a floatiness in the handling, and parasitic steering behaviour in long fast curves.
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Somewhere around 2:40 of the video posted above, Steve Dolby (Michelin product manager) explains that the Pilot Sport 2 has been replaced by two tires -- the Pilot Sport 3 for smaller cars like the Mini or Golf, and the Pilot Super Sport for cars like the 911.
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It is stiffer, but still not quite as much as I wanted.
My tired are shot on my 2005 C4S.
Im looking for recommendations; this is my daily driver car ... and it also does some track time as well.
My local shop recommends Hankook tires.
What do you guys think?
The most expensive or what?.... I have Hankooks V12 on mine. No complaints. I dont track mine but if I did I would go for the Best not the cheapest. Something like pirelli (if thats how it's spelt)
You'll get lots of opinions on this one.
I've used expensive N-spec tires on my C4S, and I've used cheap tires like Hankooks and Sumitomos. I will never buy Hankooks or Sumitomos again. My experience was bad with both of these choices. I will also never buy Pirelli P Zeros again. I've been through two sets of those and they become horribly noisy after 5K miles or so.
I know they are expensive, but I simply haven't found a tire that I like as much as the Michelin Pilot Sport PS2. It provides the best grip, it's quiet through it's usable life and it's readily available in the proper sizes.
If the Michelin Pilot Super Sport was available in the proper sizes for my C4S, I might give that a try.
I'm a big fan of my Michelin Pilot Super Sport's N3 (fronts are N6, just replaced the N3..ie rears). Good grip and they look great. We've had a lot of rain here in SE Michigan lately and I haven't felt concerned at all.
A set of 4 is just over a grand installed at my local Discount tire. I hear the MPilot SS are the replacement for PS2's. What is the difference between the N #'s is lower better, is it a manufactured date, size groups? It is just very odd one is N3 and the other is N6, but they look and feel identical.
N-spec rating are for tires that have been tested and approved by Porsche for their cars. The first tire in the series is N0, and the number goes up as new versions of the tire are released.
The Michelin Pilot Super Sport hasn't been N-rated by Porsche yet, so that's something else that you're seeing on the tire.
I've also heard that the Super Sport is the replacement for the PS2, but it hasn't happened yet.
The Pirellis that came on my CPO'd car were horribly noisy.
Have had Toyos on for about 6 months now and really like them, especially for the price. Pretty quiet and good grip.
I'm going to say no to the Hankook Ventus V12 tires. I have them on my car. They are okay when new, but when they wear down, hey get noisy and start to tram line. I personally don't think they grip THAT well, but in the rain they are good.
Charlie has convinced me to pick up a set of Michelin Pilot Super Sports. I'm just trying to destroy these tires first!
I'm trying Potenza RE760 Sports. Ultra High Performance Summer tire with long treadwear. So far I'm getting sharp lane and directional changes and excellent with traction in wet and dry. Quiet and smooth. Asymmetric tread patterns looks aggressive. About $1k for both front and rear set. 340 A A load ratings. Speed rated to 168 mph.
Liked Conti Sport Contact 2s but hate my current Conti DWs. Everyone I know with SuperSports really likes them.
N spec tires are engineered in part to compensate for the peculiar rear weight bias of the 911... Porsche oversells the concept,, suggesting them for Cayennes, etc.. But the concept does have relevance for our cars.
I love the Michelin Pilot Super Sports as well. Put them on both of my cars. I could not recommend a better tire for the Porsche. Wear is excellent and they just seem right for the car. My two cents...
These are misconceptions fellas. The Supersports are a much less aggressive tire than the PS2 that were designed to be more economical (i.e. longer life), better for gas mileage, better in the rain, and a cheaper alternative for the PS2. They do not have the grip of the PS2's, but are still decent tires.
And they're also amazing summer street tires too. OP if you want something for combined summer and track work, you have only a few choices: Yoko AD08's, Hankook RS3's, Bridgestone RE-11's, Kuhmo XS, Dunlop Star Specs (if they make them in the right size). I used Yoko AD08's the last few summers for street and track use on my M3, and they were great tires. At the track I had multiple people ask if they were R comps. I purchased a set of RS3's to be my next summer/track tire, but I no longer have the M3 so I sold them.
The reason I don't vote PS2's is that despite being a great street tire, they get torched on the track. They perform decent, but you will destroy them over a course of a weekend. The other tires I mentioned are all Extreme Summer tires, which is what you want for the track if you're not ready for R compound tires. I hope that helps OP.
That's the first time I've heard that about the Super Sports. Good to know. It's irrelevant to me anyway - they aren't manufactured in the proper sizes for the C4S. I'm very happy with the Pilot Sport PS2.
They're still performance tires, I'm not trying to imply they're garbage, but they're certainly more suited for someone who doesn't require quite the grip of a PS2 or an extreme summer tire. This is also why they're cheaper than PS2's.
I've heard good things about the Michelins but I have been running Bridgestone Potenza S-04 Pole Positions. When I got the car it had Bridgestone S-02s on the front, S-04's Bridgestone Potenza S-04s on the rear. When I had the track inspection done for my first DE the S-02s were over 5 years so I replaced them with S-04s to be consistent all around. I am very happy with them as a street tire. At my 4th DE I was to the point that I was reaching the limits of the tires. They are OK in colder temps, but in the afternoon when pushing they got too hot quickly. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them, but if you are going to do a lot of DEs, you might want something a little stickier. I will likely get Michelins next time I need to get all 4 at once ... unless I get a set of dedicated track rims first, then I'll keep the S-04s on as the daily and put something better on just for the track.
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Karl
I did a bit more looking on their site that MCBIT posted, I see N0 for a couple of the 19's and larger tires, in the disclaimer they state this is for Porsche (obviously), so I guess certain sizes are N-rated tires.
I just replaced my rear PZeros at 10,300 miles. Yes they got very noisy and wore much faster than I thought, but my fronts are still good, so I figure I'll make the change in 10,000 more miles. The michelin super sports are n rated in some sizes now. They are coming in on new Panameras, so that should be my next tire if my size gets n rated.
Lol^. What do you want Michelin to say? Michelin claims that PSS, PS2, and PSC are the best tires. Of course they do.
I'm simply informing everyone here what the PSS tire is actually for, and how they perform in real life applications vs a Manufacturer's marketing page. It's a great tire and the PSS would probably suit the majority of people here over the PS2, as most people are more sensitive to greater wet traction, better mpg and longer wear, and cheaper tires. I'm on the max performance side, so I would choose the PS2's over them (if I was choosing in a Michelin vacuum).
So for those guys with 911's who just cruise around and change tires once every 4 or 5 years, don't drive or corner aggressively on the street, and don't do track days, it's a great tire. For those who do, there are a ton more options. YMMV.
This tire thread is a little light on N-rating hysteria. I'm kinda disappointed.
I'm fairly happy with the Hankook Ventus V12 evo2 tires I purchased a couple of weeks ago. Based on the reviews and my experience with the previous V12 evo, I was hoping the sidewall would be a LOT stiffer than the older evo. It is stiffer, but still not quite as much as I wanted. I still think they're one of the better tires I've used.
I have not tried them yet but Michelin have nothing to gain by replacing a stellar tyre by an inferior one, the end result would be a loss of sales. The PS2 N4 much as I love it is more than 8 years old and technology has improved in the meantime.
There plenty of reputable reviews out there on the PSS which contradict your advice.
Hey, Ho... I guess that your the only guy on the forum who can drive.
A good N-spec debate would actually be interesting.
I've been visiting another manufacturer's boards recently since we bought a new daily driver for my wife. All they ever seem to talk about are body kits and how low they can "stance" their cars. It quickly gets old looking at photos of cars that are so slammed that they look like clown cars.
Could you be more specific?
I don't follow. The PSS is NOT a replacement for the PS2, it's an extension of the Michelin product line. Mc, if your comment about driving was directed towards me, I'm not sure I follow where your hostility is coming from? I never stated anything about my driving prowess, or lack thereof. It would be pointless to do so. All I stated is that the majority of people are casual drivers who aren't looking for tires to squeak out the last bit of extra performance from their car, but rather a streetable tire that performs well in all areas, and is cheaper. And for those folks the PSS is a sensible choice. You should keep in mind that the OP was asking a different question, which I tailored my response to. This thread has now gotten substantially off topic and turned into a PSS debate..
To the comment that the PS2 is 8 year old technology, that is correct, and also why it was not on my short list of suggestions to the OP for a double duty street/track tire.
For those that are stating the PSS is the replacement to the PS2, or a higher performing tire than the PS2, they are either misinformed or confused. Michelin would not introduce a lower priced tire option that surpasses its current flagship performance tire, the PS2. And they haven't.
2:41 in the Video "PS2 is being replaced by the PSS & PS3"; its a Michelin video so the information is probably not reliable
They will leave the PS2 in place for applications/ sizes which are not covered by the PSS.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8SsOG8GUc0Q
No hostility, but the opinions that you are putting over as fact are not necessarily fact.
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Somewhere around 2:40 of the video posted above, Steve Dolby (Michelin product manager) explains that the Pilot Sport 2 has been replaced by two tires -- the Pilot Sport 3 for smaller cars like the Mini or Golf, and the Pilot Super Sport for cars like the 911. Later in the video he refers to the PS2 as the Pilot Super Sport's predecessor.
He also explains that the PSS is undergoing Porsche's homologation process and is not yet N-rated ... suggesting that it may be at some point.
I would agree with your statement. I fitted a pair of Ventus V12 Evo on my Targa a week ago, and the result is less than adequate, with a floatiness in the handling, and parasitic steering behaviour in long fast curves. Seems to be due to softer tyre walls. I'm really thinking about taking them off and going back to N rated tyres.
Fabrice
Done, I ordered 2 off Conti CSC2 N2 that match my front tyres. The Ventus V12, although they perform extraordinary well on my MX-5 and my track-day car (RX-8), are borderline dangerous on my 996.
They should work better on a 986 I think, as they don"t have as much weight on the rear wheels.
In the video, the spider chart shows better performance in various criteria that's equivalent or better than PS2. If they had 285 or 295 30ZR18's for my rears, I would have switched right away since my tires are due for change.
Need Help: I just bought my car and it came with General tires. Fronts are OK, but the rears are due. I know this one shop that has 2 Generals in my size (285/30ZR18). Should I get those in the mean time while I wait for the Michelin Super Sports to become available in my tire size or should I just change all 4? PS2 are pricy though!
+1. Always try to match up overall tire diameter front and rear as close as possible.
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How, exactly? Show me drivetrain or abs failure threads. They don't exist.
I love when people parrot back the common dealer/interweb "wisdom" with no BTDT.
The worst thing that happens is your speedo is off a bit. This used to happen in the Audi world too. People used to freak out on non-stock tire sizes with quattro. Turns out, it's no big deal.
I just replaced my Michelin Pilot super sports with new ones great tires. I ran the last set nearly bald just ramping on them and even with very little tread they were still amazing in heavy rain.
funny thread, the original post is almost like hes baiting everyone,if he is familiar with rennlist,he is aware this tire topic always gets a little out of control,mostly funny and entertaining, alot of opinons all make sense to some degree, my personal experience is with michelin ps2,and currently bridgestone so2a both n rated and yes a little more expensive,but IMO worth it.......good luck in your choice.
Point noted. I really like the PSS. Since your overall diameter is more, do you have any tire rubbing in the wheel well issues? I think I'll go for it if there are no issues.
As far as speed being off, from what I've read, the speed is showing more than actual on the stock 996, maybe this will bring it up so that it's closer to the actual speed.
I only needed rears so I got 285/30ZR-18 Sumitomo HTR Z III XL from TireRack for $149 each.
Yes, I know mixing brands can be a problem but I have not experienced any issues.
I have the Sport Design wheels. No rubbing.
750 miles of DD driving on back roads in wet (torrential at times) and dry and so far so good.
Seem to be fairly quiet, but I can only compare them to some loud tires we've had on our van over the years.
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