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Interesting off the record discussion with a Porsche tech...avoid tire pressure sensors...they have to be replaced every three or so years and for a good chunk of money.
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They were replaced by my dealer when I bought my car.
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Right now PDK seems great in race cars that are constantly being rebuilt, and in leased lux cars that get used on weekends and then get recycled three years later.
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Drop engine & tranny and clean both with pipe cleaners.
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And yes I feel the difference and I got to inspect the old ones and compare to the new ones.
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Interesting off the record discussion with a Porsche tech...avoid tire pressure sensors...they have to be replaced every three or so years and for a good chunk of money.
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Now if I get stuck putting chains on the wife's car at night when we head up the mountain, or changing a tire, or I need to find a lost kitten, we have a bitchin' 12V HID searchlight.
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Doors with seven sensors each to make sure the window lowers and rises 2 mm when the door is opened and closed, the replacement of the dip stick with another electronic sensor, tire sensors and a can of goop instead of a usuable spare, batteries that are drained by all the computers unless the car is driven every two weeks...all this is technology run amuck.
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John - I absolutely agree that cars have run wild with technology and have done so at the cost of the "driver experience," but we the enthusiasts are the minority of car buyers.
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Great food and beverage...a free half hour inspection of my car with the tech, walking under the rack and seeing everything clearly, going over the service history...all courtesy of the Auto Gallery in Woodland Hills. Every bay was busy at 9 in the morning...every model Porsche was being looked at.
My 997 has a few cosmetic issues that I will address sooner or later but mechanically all seems excellent. I gave it new motor mounts because I think after nine years and 69k miles it was prudent. And yes I feel the difference and I got to inspect the old ones and compare to the new ones.
Interesting off the record discussion with a Porsche tech...avoid tire pressure sensors...they have to be replaced every three or so years and for a good chunk of money. The Porsche navigation systems is another piece of planned obsolescence with a nice price tag. I got a blue tooth phone system at Best Buy for under $50 and it works fine. Clip it on and it needs no connection to the car.
For all of PDKs amazing performance, I'm even more glad I got Tiptronic. Imagine having to replace a transmission because of some modest fluid seepage...and sending it back to Germany. Such is the nature of PDK. I think a totally mechanical sequential gearbox would have been cheaper to make, easier to fix, and more fun to use.
Perhaps the new GT4 911 with its stripped down to basics approach means that Porsche is regaining some common sense and remembering their roots.
And if one can't afford the new back to basics GT4, as someone here posted, now might be the best time to grab a second 996.
The coffee there must be wonderful! The next time I need a Grande Cappuccino I'm going to swing by my local Porsche dealer and invite them to rape my bank account while I enjoy my warm beverage
My original tire sensors worked for 7 years, and they were still working fine at the time of replacement. They were replaced by my dealer when I bought my car. There are aftermarket sensors available for about 1/3 of the price of new sensors. What's the ongoing cost for navigation? Aside from a new map CD every 4 or 5 years, there's no expense. I updated mine with the latest maps and it works beautifully. I have integrated Bluetooth as well, so I don't have to use any "clip on" technology.
I see your points, and I too like simplicity. I also like technological innovation and things that enhance my driving experience without being intrusive.
So, are you saying you wouldn't buy a PDK car in the off chance something happens with that transmission? It's amazing you owned a 996 and a 997.1. I'm surprised you didn't buy a non-IMS 997.2!
Perhaps a Camry Solara would scratch that 2-door itch you have...
I believe the 3.8 is a 997.2. My problem isn't with the off chance of the PDK transmission itself failing, it is with the more frequent chances of the sensors giving bad readings and shutting the car down, leaving you with a flatbed for the ride home. But the electronic frailties are not limited to the PDK.
Doors with seven sensors each to make sure the window lowers and rises 2 mm when the door is opened and closed, the replacement of the dip stick with another electronic sensor, tire sensors and a can of goop instead of a usuable spare, batteries that are drained by all the computers unless the car is driven every two weeks...all this is technology run amuck.
Right now PDK seems great in race cars that are constantly being rebuilt, and in leased lux cars that get used on weekends and then get recycled three years later.
Going tiptronic was a wise but reluctant decision on my part. The car I bought was a good choice at the time and also based on what I got for my 996. Maybe in a couple of years PDK will have evolved into something less fragile.
But Porsche is not alone in the high tech absurdities of modern automobile design.
Just to clarify John you have a 997.1 Carrera S. The 997.2 was introduced in 2009 in all of the basic forms of the Carrera, and did not have an IMS bearing. Your car still does.
GT4 911? Lol you mean GT4 Cayman. And like stated before you have a 3.8 carrera s it is still a 997.1 before the direct injection engine. Are you sure it is coffee you're drinking at the dealership?
John - I absolutely agree that cars have run wild with technology and have done so at the cost of the "driver experience," but we the enthusiasts are the minority of car buyers. Whether it was my E28 535is, my E34 M5, or my '87Integra LS, to name 3, they all had their nuances. I will take the driving thrill of either of the 2 BMWs listed above (and 4 others) over the Integra any day. I just try to be as proactive on maintenance as reasonably possible.
Could my M96 a**plode tomorrow? Sure, but I didn't rule it out because of the IMS issue. I tried to find one with a maintenance history and drove the damn thing back to Boston from Seattle. It's the same with the 997 - of course things can go wrong, of course the PDK could fail, but you can't live your life in a bubble wrapped suit (primarily because Brooks Brothers doesn't sell them
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I agree with you for some technology, but not for all technology. Knowing the air pressure in your tires doesn't take away from the driving experience or somehow make the car less of an enthusiast's vehicle. Heated and cooled cup holders though, that's pushing it a bit. I'm a manual transmission guy, but I see the appeal of PDK if you're trying to achieve fast lap times on the track.
My old Alfa Romeo Spider Veloce had virtually no technology by today's standards. It did have AM
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FM radio, which was nice. I wouldn't trade my 997 for it, even though it offered a driving experience that an enthusiast would like.
Embrace technology! It's not all bad!
TPMS are still going strong at 7 to years on the BMW and Audi. Place that does my tires says when they go, it's about 4-5 hundred to replace all four with labor and mounting, etc. I assume Porsche uses the same as the Audi. And I know it's high tech, but seems reasonable cost to know all tire pressure all the time.
Dennis - you're absolutely right, and I should have been clearer in my post. There are good technologies and bad technologies and I was speaking to some of the odd ones I've seen being touted on TV recently, like apps that allow you to look at your email/Facebook/wifi/etc.
Cars are going faster than ever and I wholly support technologies that give us important feedback (TPMS, etc.), but things that cause more distractions are just bad. That said, I would take my '88 560SL over many modern cars because of how solid and planted that car was. But, the back end could step out pretty quickly so you had to pay attention to driving.
The first generation Porsche OE TPMS sensors retail for close to $250 each. Aftermarket sensors can be found for roughly $100 - $120 each.
The newer Audis don't have a sensor inside each tire, but rather an axle sensor that measures wheel speed differential and can determine if one tire is low compared to the other. I think the newer Porsches use the same type of system. The advantage of this system is obvious; you don't have to replace individual sensors. The disadvantage is that it doesn't provide you with pressure readings for each individual tire, it simply tells you when you have a low tire.
I agree with you. Our 2015 GMC has an option to have text messages displayed on the screen on the dashboard as they are received. That's not distracting at all.... We didn't activate this 'feature".
That's funny. My 2006 pontiac does not have the individual TPMS, it does the compare the wheel speed thing. The BMW and Audi are 2008's with the TPMS sensor inside the wheel. I assumed that was more advanced and all cars had the individual sensors in the wheel now. I guess I should get some newer cars.
There's a thing called a tire pressure gauge. You can find them anywhere in America.
$2500/ea electronically controlled shock absorbers? I'll pass.
I'm sure the most sophisticated porsches are fantastic to drive. I just don't want to own a 15 year old car with such frills.
Air cooled 911s with no ABS sucked because? Oh wait. They didn't.
That's funny. I love older Porsches too, don't get me wrong.
I've heard of this thing called a tire gauge, but I don't need such crude tools! I'm pretty sure they aren't exclusive to America.
CB radios were cool too back in the '70s!
Hi Dennis, are those BBS CH-R in your avatar? Cooler than Zoe Saldana. Ughhh...... Maybe not?
Got them in silver on my car. They look better than my X after Botox. Mostly cause I got the Motorsport etching on them. Botox is cool ya know. I think. She looked like Fraknenstein at the last mediation. Scary.
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Tire pressure gauges are totally cool. I own one. Really.
The less high tech stuff the more reliable the car stays for its life but the hi tech do dads make driving more fun while everything is working. My other car is 77 years old, it was high tech because it had hydraulic brakes and a heater.
Since this is the 996 forum, I think I'll add some relevant content:
I drove my 928S4 for 30 full minutes today and no sign of overheating whatsoever!
Now, I'm off to the 928 forum to start a thread on the search for my 996TT. Then, it will be the 996TT forum to ask a question about the pesky malfunctioning turn signal relay in our 951.
Very nice. I almost went with silver, but I decided to go outside of my comfort zone and try the anthracite wheels. I'm happy with my choice, but damn the silver option looks good.
I drove my car in rain today!!!!,
Please advise. Dip it in WD-40.
Drop engine & tranny and clean both with pipe cleaners.
Sell at 4c per pound
Burn it at nearest gas station
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I put a new set of HIDs, including new ballasts, in the Murano last week. Last Thurday night, I gutted an old 6V lantern and installed one of the old HID ballasts in the battery compartment and fitted one of the HID bulbs in place of the lantern bulb, and wired it up to a 12V cigaratte lighter barrel plug.
Now if I get stuck putting chains on the wife's car at night when we head up the mountain, or changing a tire, or I need to find a lost kitten, we have a bitchin' 12V HID searchlight.
By the way, Porsche comes out with limited-edition, stripped-down versions of every model every now and then, as it gives them a way to charge people x% more for 5% less car. One of the most f*****g brilliant marketing ploys ever.
Consider, for example, the Boxster Spyder with that raggedy-*** roof system.
The Porsche marketing department never ceases to find ways to confuse their customers and charge them more for different configurations of the same components.
Please stop trying to publicly justify your purchase as being better than upgraded version of your car. The only thing the 997.1 has that on the 997.2 is the lower price-point.
Tiptronic blows.
I'm thinking, John, that you might want to delay further Porsche purchases until you are certain what it is exactly that you're purchasing. Believe it or not, I'm not (intentionally) being an a$$ here - in both cases, it seems like you have acquired cars that later turned out to be not exactly what you thought you were getting into. I imagine you sold the 996 at a loss, and it seems evident that your non-wide-body, IMS-equipped 997 may not have been entirely what you thought it would be.
Now (back to being an a$$) - since the barista's milkshake appears to be responsible for bringing you and your wallet to the yard - this may not be possible, but it's time for you to find a dealership with a Keruig machine instead of a temptress. Those K-cups may not be as good as your sugar-free-non-dairy-free-range-soy-latte, but you're going to burn your retirement savings at a less impressive pace.
He's making his way up the ladder to each newer generation 911. First the 993, then the 996, and now the 997.1. What's next?
The 993 forum hasn't been as much fun without him. Oh wait, I'm OK now.
Finally got the coolant hose buttoned up this weekend. It was a tight squeeze getting my hands in there next to that six cylinder engine in my 2004 Trailblazer, but I did it.
