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I hear a wicked 4L motor with a bunch of sweet gt3 goodies can be installed around $25k ( not too sure).
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Replace oil every 3,000 miles (we've put 9,000 miles
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I've changed the oil every 3,000 miles (we've put 9,000 miles on it in those three years, so it now has 83,000 miles on the odometer).
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Fox has renewed the venerable music competition series for a 15th season, which will be its last.
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At least you are checking your filter and doing your due diligence.
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If the motor was changed by Porsche because of a previous IMS issue, would they have put a motor in without fixing the IMS bearing in the new motor, or is it more likely that a new motor would not have had the IMS bearing flaw (given that this is a 2004, so the motor change would have come sometime significantly after 2004, when the problem was well understood)?
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The clutch is just fine, but if I need to replace the clutch (or otherwise mess with the drive train), I may take that opportunity to retrofit the fix.
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You don't have any glitter in your oil, you enjoy wasting money by changing your oil 2K miles sooner than you need to, and you have a 996 with no records and a mystery engine about which you know nothing.
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If the motor was changed by Porsche because of a previous IMS issue, would they have put a motor in without fixing the IMS bearing in the new motor, or is it more likely that a new motor would not have had the IMS bearing flaw (given that this is a 2004, so the motor change would have come sometime significantly after 2004, when the problem was well understood)?
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Nothing in particular happened with the third oil change yesterday; it was just that the filter again was absolutely clean, so I thought I'd ask my question.
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Hi,
We bought a 2004 996 three years ago. I've changed the oil every 3,000 miles (we've put 9,000 miles on it in those three years, so it now has 83,000 miles on the odometer).
Each time I've changed the oil, I've carefully examined the filter, and found no metal flakes at all.
All we know of the history of the car is that this is not the original motor.
Is it reasonable (as opposed merely to optimistic) to infer that we may be clear of IMS problems?
If the motor was changed by Porsche because of a previous IMS issue, would they have put a motor in without fixing the IMS bearing in the new motor, or is it more likely that a new motor would not have had the IMS bearing flaw (given that this is a 2004, so the motor change would have come sometime significantly after 2004, when the problem was well understood)?
Thanks!
Mark
Since there's a chance you'll want to interpret Imo000's answer as favorable, here's more detail:
Q:
Is it reasonable (as opposed merely to optimistic) to infer that we may be clear of IMS problems?
A: No.
Every 996 motor from Porsche, new or rebuilt, has an IMS bearing. From 2002 until 2006, the small single-row bearing was used. Porsche (eventually) adopted the non-serviceable larger single-row bearing, but no 996 came from Porsche in a manner that guarantees you are "clear of IMS problems." Do you have any info on the provenance of the replacement motor (i.e. was it new, rebuilt by Porsche, rebuilt by someone else, used...)? It's possible that the motor's serial number may be able to provide some info if you send it to your mechanic or one of the wrenches that haunts RL from time to time.
Sounds like you're level-headed (i.e. not freaking out) - which is the correct approach. Freaking out is almost always expensive.
Maybe, but the worrying may result in a few sleepless nights. Or you'll say. "screw it, if it blows it blows."
as my grandpa says with a deep Lithuanian accent (which is odd as he is from Italy), "The IMS, she is a feeeckle bitch"
Here is a different angle,if you like the car.
At your miles it is almost ready for a new clutch(complete your profile so we know the mechanical details of your car Tip/stick??)
So just do IMSB and RMS +LN filter adapter when the the clutch is done.The incremental cost is small. If you have the late version large IMSB ,you won't be able to change it without total dismantling of the engine so just hope?
My grandfather's preferred term for something of questionable workmanship (like the single-row IMSB, for example:
"Son, this looks like a bear's *** sewed up with a grape vine."
Southerners come up with some colorful analogies and metaphors.
Ok, thanks; that's pretty much what I expected.
I don't think it's worth doing the retrofit unless I'm already doing some serious work on the car. The clutch is just fine, but if I need to replace the clutch (or otherwise mess with the drive train), I may take that opportunity to retrofit the fix.
Yeah, and if it blows it blows (and I'll survive)....
Gee, I'll bite. Why not?
It seems pretty simple to me. But then I'm not an obnoxious, superior long-time poster who lives on this site, like you; I'm just a guy with the naive thought that internet forums are here for the exchange of information, when in fact too many people think they're here so they can show how superior they are. Bad on me, I guess.
I've had the car for three years. I haven't seen any sign of any issues, either aurally or visually (in the oil).
I thought I had enough data to ask the question.
Here's a thought: How about, if you don't have anything to add in the way of answering my perfectly legitimate question, you just crawl back under your rock?
Sheesh....
If you drive a 996, you have to have a little sense of humor (at least when it comes to the headlights). Alpine's question was as legitimate as yours, don't it take it personally.
Also, your question could have been answered via the search button, ad nauseum.
Speaking of questions...be careful going off like this. You might have a really good one in a few more years that you may want answered.
If it is a new motor from Porsche, no need to worry. If it has more than 60000 miles on it no need to worry. If its only driven 3000 miles a year no need to worry. If it blows up you need to worry.LOL
Humor me, please. Why is a snarky response "question" as legitmate as mine? I was asking a question in good faith; he was mocking me. I don't see any "legitimacy" in that.
Perhaps; my searches failed to answer my question. My question was fairly specific, with a set of facts unlike any in the threads I found in searches: (i) second motor; (ii) no metal flecks in the oil; (iii) no suspicious noises; and (iv) 83,000 miles. I was asking if this combination of facts bodes well for our car; seemed like a simple, legitimate question to me.
I understand. But, to be honest, I really don't much care if people who respond like he did, or people who think his snarky response was somehow "funny," don't much feel like "helping" me when I have a "really good one" I may want answered; that type of "help" I can live without.
Try not to be upset, its really no big thing. The IMS subject seems to be the worst thing anybody can bring up on this site and ALWAYS causes some controversy even though the original poster usually thinks it is just a simple question and deserves a simple answer. Some of the guys on here have been on here for years and forget that a guy with only a few posts hasn't read about the IMS issues hundreds of times already. Just the mention of it causes many eyes to roll. The only way you could ever relate to what I'm trying to say is to be on this damn site every day for a month or two.
The question "why, after performing routine maintenance for three years and seeing no indication of bearing failure, have you decided to ask if it's logical to assume your car will not develop an IMSB failure" isn't a snarky or stupid question. Did something change that prompted the question? Has some new information come to light?
There is NOTHING in ANY of the countless IMSB threads that would suggest that your car would somehow be immune to bearing failure. Your 996's original motor places it in the ~10 percent failure rate group; that your motor was replaced means exactly nothing since you don't know any of the specifics about the replacement.
Had Alpine been a ***** when he asked why you were asking now (you know, after three years of NOT asking despite having been an RL member), I'd understand your abrasive reaction, but frankly, you're the one who came off like a jackass. His question may have been curt, but the question is potentially pertinent. What's different today? Why are you asking this question, which
has
been answered hundreds of times, today? You are seemingly trying to lead yourself to a wholly unsupported conclusion - why would your 996, about which you appear to know exactly s**t - suddenly become impervious to IMSB failure?
It's an Internet forum, not a Pampered Chef party or an "I get butthurt easily" support group. Dial back the ***** setting a little.
Or don't, for all I care. Spend your time crafting another bitchy response that would do any PMS sufferer proud, and be sure to continue to slap quotes around every third word...it makes you look exceptionally clever.
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Thanks for this, really.
I'm not particularly upset. I find bullies of all flavors to be annoying, and I'm not particularly inclined, at my advanced age, to be indulgent. He was being a jerk, and I simply thought he needed to be called out for being a jerk.
Oh, and I don't think there's much chance I'll be on this site every day for a month or two. I've been racing cars for years, and I've learned that car forums are not really very friendly places. When I have a question, I'll ask it, and when I'm here and see something that perhaps I can help with, I'll chime in, but that's about it.
Mark
Gawd, you guys are amazing.
If you can't figure out, from my simple and clear question, why I asked it now, then why not just move on? I very clearly stated all pertinent facts; it's obvious, to a person of good will and average intelligence, why I asked the question now. If he were trying to help, and really didn't understand, he could easily have asked in a non-assholic way. Instead, he chose to be a jerk. And you're defending him. Hmmmmm.....
If you cannot figure out why I asked the question now, which are you lacking?
Sheesh....
Yup, everyone here except you is a boorish idiot. You figured it out.
The pertinent facts where what again? Oh, right. You don't have any glitter in your oil, you enjoy wasting money by changing your oil 2K miles sooner than you need to, and you have a 996 with no records and a mystery engine about which you know nothing. You've exhaustively researched the IMS problem but chose to ask the same question everyone with a low post count asks - "Even though there's no rational reason to believe it, _my_ bearing will last forever, right?"
In spite of this thread - good luck with your 996. I hope the bearing and everything else continues to be trouble-free.
Welp, I'm off to go be amazing somewhere else.
Gee, thanks!
Your self-thought superiority is impressive.
Exactly what did you accomplish by trying to put me down? Oh, that would be showing what a boor you are.
I have no reason to think "_my_ bearing will last forever." I was wondering if my particular set of facts were of any statistical significance, in an issue that doesn't adversely affect every 996, or even a majority of them. If you had any knowledge of statistics, you would understand that. Unfortunately, you seem only to have knowledge of being nasty on an internet forum in which you're anonymous. What a man!
You folks, who obviously have absolutely no idea, instead of just saying so, or ignoring my post, chose to heap abuse on me.
And you think you're not a "boorish idiot"? At least I readily acknowledged my ignorance; you, who apparently know no more than I about whether my set of facts has any statistical significance, think that somehow heaping scorn on someone asking a good faith question that you cannot answer makes you something other than a "boorish idiot." You would be wrong in that "thought."
Understood; a limited attention span is a tough handicap to go through life with. Most of us grow out of it by the time we reach puberty; I'm hoping that that will happen for you, also, if you ever reach puberty.
Wow, no wonder you have so many posts; it's easy when the S/N is so incredibly low. Your first on this thread was so appropriate, and reasonable, and then they all went south, culminating (I hope) in this pre-pubescent drivel. Wow again; your crib awaits you....
I've been a member of this forum only since last year and I can attest that everyone here is genuinely interested to help. Yes they do crack jokes quite a bit but in general they are helpful. Yes the IMS question has been answered and debated hundreds of times but still you got a reply to your question which does prove there is a genuine interest to help. And based on your original post you have some informed speculation that you may be in the clear but the reality is that there is really no such thing. Anything can happen any time. I think having read your initial well-informed question, the question reply to your question was intended to find out if something had happened rendering the need to suddenly ask what you asked. Don't take it personally. People here are generally very nice and I don't know any of them.
I m replacing my IMSB with the 'solution', so there won't be any bearings at all. I did that as the mechanic said there were some magnetic specs on the filter. But he thinks we are replacing a fine stock IMSB with no problems whatsoever. However, as there a few specs he said he'll strongly advice to have it changed.
He has a stellar record. He's been in business from the air cooled days and in the 15 plus years he's had hundreds if not thousands of water cooled Porsche's with potential IMSB problems serviced in his shop. He has zero failures. ZERO FAILURES.
Zero failures not just for the ones with IMSB replacement, but those that are still on stock IMSB.... How about that for a track record lol!
People here are touting about 100% success rate after IMSB retrofit, he can tout about 100% success rate even without changing the IMSB. Think about this for a minute.....this clearly shows many foregone conclusions regarding IMSB and retrofits are just theories.
He only knows of one, potentialy a second in the area that blew up.
However, from what I hear Porsche apparently owned up to 8% failure for certain manufacturing years. No part will ever be guaranteed not to fail, not just the IMSB. But 8% is high. However if I were you and there's absolutely no metal flakes, then don't worry about it. But remember these are extremely tiny specs, and there could just be a few in the whole filter. A magnetic drain plug may help also.
I don't know what's it's all about, but read into LN engineering's IMSB guardian.
My solution retrofit with clutch replacement and a major service will come up to a little over $5k. I hear a wicked 4L motor with a bunch of sweet gt3 goodies can be installed around $25k ( not too sure). So ignoring the clutch (which I really shouldn't! but then again I'm comparing it to a munch better engine replacement), I'm spending 20% of the cost to prevent something.
P.S: Don't think about shipping your car to him for oil changes believing you car will never fail(after all, he has a 100% track record), it's the difference between anecdotal evidence and proof (or verifiable with in a pre-deteremined standard deviation). When none exist, don't let fear and paranoia dictate your decision (yeah right!), but simple deductive reasoning (good luck with that). It's only you who have to live with yourself and the car.
This.
My question was genuine this time around. I know with some of my sarcastic posts it can be hard to tell so I won't ding you in any way.
I saw that you had been a member for awhile so I knew you were aware and did quite a bit of reading before you asked the question. But I also was puzzled why you didn't ask it earlier or if something happened after your 3rd oil change to warrant asking the question.
No problem; thanks for the clarification.
Nothing in particular happened with the third oil change yesterday; it was just that the filter again was absolutely clean, so I thought I'd ask my question.
I'll not do anything until some major surgery is required in that area; if that happens (e.g., new clutch), I'll probably go ahead and do the retrofit.
You my friend have the Ferrari mentailty. If you've ever visited the Ferrari chat forums, you get questions like "My car ran fine all throughout my 300 mile trip. Is something wrong with my car?"
At least you are checking your filter and doing your due diligence. Keep up the good maintenance and drive it like you stole it.
Can it be used as a fuel additive instead of Toluene?
Also, can it be used instead of the blue pill when some older folks watch videos of Sabrina? LOL
(You know, when the mind is willing but the flesh is weak.)
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Could it strengthen more than the immune system by any chance?
