Been thinking of a TT, i'd like to hear from owners that went fron a 996 NA to TT..

I've had my 4S cab about 9 months. Great car and I really enjoy it, but I've got an itch for more power. I haven't driven a TT, but from what I've read it sounds like it will certainly satisfy my itch for power. I'd love to get some insight from any owners who've done the jump. I'll post this on the turbo board too.

I have both. In winter the C4S is much easier and safer to drive. Actually a lot more fun because you can hammer the throttle around and it just sticks. It also gets better gas mileage when driving it hard where with the TT it's a pig even when taking it easy. The C4S is 100 lbs lighter then the TT. When it comes to the clutch, engine and power they are completely different cars. Handling is pretty similar.

My switch was from a 996 C4S coupe to a 997 TT cabriolet, so there are more differences than just going to a turbo. That being said, here are my thoughts: - The turbo has much more power, as you would expect. I live at 7,500 feet of elevation, so the difference is even more pronounced. This is one of the reasons that I was attracted to turbos. - If you're into tuning a car for even more power then there are more options for a turbo. - The turbo cars are the flagship in the 911 line, and they are generally very well equipped and often have many nice options installed. - Speaking of power, there are a couple of things worth mentioning. First of all, the turbos do suffer from some lag issues. It's manageable, but the power delivery isn't as linear as a normally aspirated car. Secondly, you get used to it. My turbo felt so fast that it should be illegal when I first bought it. Now I'm used to it and it still feels fast, but it also feels more like a normal car to me. - I'm not sure what jumper5836 means about the clutch being different. In my case, it's also very different. The turbo is actually harder to drive and I always feel like I'm going to stall it when I'm starting out. The clutch has a very small zone of engagement - it feels like it's either on or off. - I agree on the comments about the turbo being a pig with gasoline consumption. - The turbo doesn't sound as good as my normally aspirated C4S with Fisters did... - I had more opportunities to run the C4S up to redline and push the engine a little bit. If I run the turbo up to redline, I very quickly end up at "arrest me" speeds. I find that this results in short bursts of acceleration when the opportunity arises, but you don't get as many opportunities. Overall I'm very happy with my switch to a turbo. It is a very different animal and it drives very differently. I suggest that you drive a couple and then decide. I don't think it would be a bad choice to keep your C4S and I don't think upgrading to a turbo would be bad either. They are simply different.

Clutch is hydraulically assisted in the Turbos. Feels very light and it does seem harder to get rolling out of a stop in first. The C4S is heavier, engagement point feels more progressive.

while sort of the same topic... how big is the change from 911NA to a Metzger NA 911 - GT3? is the difference significally feelable? yes there is 60hp increase on power in mk1 and 80hp increase in mk2. since I like the mk2 gt3 look, is it worth spending all that money on it? or if the design is the main charm, then stick with the simple humble carrera, with a mk2 bodykit on it? I mean the noticeable difference how the GT3 gets to the speed, and the handling etc? I know it should be better, but as a daily driver? (since I have no options of driving them here (Latvia) the thing I am afraid is, whether it is not too hardcore, that would make it a garage queen) maybe someone can share

Some good insight. Thanks. I'm not too worried about gas milage because it's not my DD. I'm more concerned about the power/speed. I don't need any more tickets. I'm usually good for one or two every couple of years. I centrally don't need a 100mph+ ticket... I got rid of my E60 M5 after hitting 156mph once. It scared me how easily I got there. I'm sure the TT would be similar, if not even quicker. But I guess that's why we buy these cars. Regardless, maybe I'll test drive one and then set the wheels in motion... A local P-car specialist dealer near me has one and I know they'd be open to a trade. http://www.intersportautosales.com/2...0/Details.aspx

you spend more....on my NA...i knew no matter how much i spent....i'd get maybe 30 more hp. so i did spend a little and got somewhat close to that 30 more hp. on the tt...you know there really is no limit with quite a few of them runnign around with over 1000hp. you buy exhaust...tune...intercoolers....etc....then upgrade turbo....then upgrade turbo...and now you want to upgrade turbos again.... other than that no really downside.

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That's my experience too. It feels like I have to give the turbo more gas from a standstill in first gear to prevent it from stalling. It has been a long time since I've had "hill anxiety" with a manual transmission, and now I'm feeling that again!

Just a chip/tune and the 996tt is easy pushing 480 hp and it can do that forever on stock internals.

I remembered your post a few months ago (and have seen your car listed for sale): https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...a-to-a-tt.html I say its time to GIT R DONE.

Too funny for calling me out kromdom. The search begins... It's always the best part.

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let's just say that I am living vicariously through you (yup, I have also been lusting after a turbo)

I had a 99 C2 back in 06 and it was my DD. Since then, I've been through a three 930s, a 964t and a Weissach SC. I felt the na cars were much more suited for DD duty than the turbos. Why? Because the turbos were high strung and really wanted to be opened up. I have my 996tt and have been using it as a DD for a few weeks and it is a great, but it still wants to run. That would be great, but when you're stuck in traffic, it gets really frustrating! Now, I'm looking at a C2 cab that I can use as a semi DD along with my suv.

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I'd like to add a few comments to Dennis's post Correct, virtually limitless...I enjoyed personalizing my car. A simple tune (simple as in you can flash through the OBD port) fixes this Replace the assisted clutch (accumulator/slave et.al.) with the GT2 clutch package and the clutch becomes very predictable and easy to drive. Mine averages 19 mpg...not sure I'd call that a pig...LOL This is why many opt for aftermarket exhaust...like Europipes...oh what a nice sound. Correct...you can go fast quick. Install a decent detector and choose your "bursts" wisely (and safely). On the other hand, I can pass whenever I want to... Turbo Porsche Carrera...the one and only! BTW, I've had a 930 and a 911SC.

One thing I love about my 4s is that when I accelerate to 60 it feels like I'm doing 100. In my M5 I would feel like I was doing 60, but actually doing 125. Very dangerous and risky. Is that how the TT is?

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With both my Boxster or Turbo they don't feel like they are going as fast as they actually are. On longer drives I have to be careful I don't allow the speed to creep up as either car is just so stable and planted at speed. I've had the Turbo up to 165mph and while the scenery flashes by like the thing is traveling at light speed the car exhibits no drama at this speed. It is really hard for when on I-40 and I leave NM and enter the TX panhandle and leave the 75mph limit in NM -- which I sometimes exceed a tiny bit if you know what I mean -- only to run up head first into the nighttime limit of 65mph in TX (which is strictly enforced). As I approach the TX state line and I slow the car down -- you have to do this for there can be a TX smokey bear just on the other side of the state line waiting for the unsuspecting/inattentive driver to cross the state line going too fast -- the car feels like it is standing still. And as I continue on I have to really be watchful. This where the cruise control helps. (That and I try to time my arrival so I pass through the TX panhandle during the daylight hours. 65mph at night across the TX panhandle seems to take an eternity.)

I would say that my turbo feels like it's going slower than it is actually going, like Macster said. The interesting thing about the turbo is that the red line is lower than it is in the normally aspirated cars and once the boost comes on, the engine revs extremely quickly. If I accelerate from a stop in first gear, there's hardly enough time to change into second gear. The car is at red line in an instant. This gives you a pretty good sense of how fast you are accelerating and how fast you are going. The danger zone is once you've shifted into second and you are accelerating onto the highway, for example. If you keep your foot planted, then you'll get up to 100 mph before you know it. There was a review of the 997 TT by Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear when it first launched. One stat that I still remember well is this one: if you are in second gear going 40 mph and you put the accelerator to the floor, it takes 1 second to hit 60 mph. Think about that!

Thx. I'll have to search that Top Gear episode.

Not anymore. That changed in 2012. Mac, you know you wanna be a Texan!

If I compare my Cayenne turbo with my 996 turbo, at 200 kph the Cayenne feels like its hardly moving and the 966 turbo feels like it has some speed. The difference between my old 4S and the turbo is how quickly it gets there.

So I listed my 4S on Craigslist with a pretty wishful sales price. Not the best time of year for a cab sale, but I'll test the market for any nibbles. http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/n...788459539.html

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That's news to me. 'course, I haven't been on the road outside of CA since before June of 2012. I plan on hitting the road pretty quick and will probably at least pass through the panhandle again, unless I have to go further south to avoid bad weather. I could be a Texan one of these days. I'm thinking of retiring and I might decide to retire to Texas.

I bought a C2 in Tennessee last December and drove it back to Los Angeles. Along the way, I spent plenty of time in Texas, driving at 5 over the limit with the cruise control set. I didn't want to get a ticket along the way. I drove through Texas at night, entering on the 30 at the AR / TX border to Dallas, then the 20 west to the middle of nowhere, and exiting the state on the 10 through El Paso. I entered the state as the sun was setting, and drove through the night, exiting the state the next morning, about 30 minutes after sunrise. I'm used to the drive north from Los Angeles to Oregon (600 miles until you get into Oregon), but the drive from Dallas through the rest of Texas just seems to go on forever. West of Midland, there is little between you and El Paso but open ground, and a ribbon of highway. East of Midland, to Dallas, there isn't a lot there, either. If something breaks, help is a long ways away. I say this not to criticize Texas (a state that I dearly love), but sometimes you need to drive through a desolate place to appreciate just how huge this country is.

I remember driving from San Antonio to El Paso once. I thought that drive would never end... When I began to travel around the country for business years ago, I was shocked when I was in the northeast and the major cities were so close together. Driving in states like Texas, or Montana or a few others out west really does help you appreciate the size of the US.

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The drive is more entertaining now that the speed limit is 80mph lol

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I drove from COTA to San Antonio a few months ago and the speed limit was 85. It was exciting to see but I was driving a Camry.

I drove on one of the 85 mph freeways from COTA to Dallas a few years ago. There was a state trooper with radar every 1/2 mile or so. It wasn't really all that fun.

You sir are either crazy or have giant nads. Where on earth did you do that? Or maybe you shouldnt say. I couldnt even imagine trying it. Seen too many bad things happen at speed.

Ever driven across Nevada? I can think of about 100 miles of road (at least) that you could do that without issue and endangering no one but yourself.

My tt builds speed quickly you'll be at 100 with the tap of your right foot. I set the speed alarm at 100mph to keep me in check but give me room to have some fun. I haven't tried going too fast in the tt but did hit 145 in my Boxster years ago with the top down. The little plastic window was rattling quite a bit.

I did 160+ mph in a 991 C4S cabriolet on the Autobahn with the top down earlier this year. In retrospect, I should have left the top up.

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Highway 50!! Been there done that when I drove a X5 4.6is I had just purchased from CO to CA. I had some nice 120-125 stretches in there! Fastest I have been is 165 but that was in a closed highway open road race event in a 1991 corvette with a few aero mods. It was completely stable at those speeds. Still quite a rush even tho we had full safety gear on and a roll bar with harnesses.

I did 156 in my old E60 M5. It had more to give, but I got scared. Death and/or jail.

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There was an article published -- it has been years now -- in one of the major USA mags about where its reviewers/testers can top speed test cars without having to rent a track. A number of locations -- private roads in some cases -- were divulged. That's all I'm saying.

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On a road trip east I entered NV on 50 and drove on east. A little ways further into the state away from any real population to where the land ahead looked to be just nothing but basin and range I came upon a road side sobriety check point manned by a large number of LEO's. I pulled up and stopped and rolled down the Turbo driver's window. The deputy leaned into the open window a ways and said something like "I hope you aren't driving this fine automobile drunk". I replied no. I had the idea of asking him if all the LEO's manning this check point meant the road ahead was uum, clear? But I thought better of it. But as it turned out, the road ahead was, uum, clear.

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I did the same with the top down, not on the Autobahn though. I've maxed out with the top closed years later.

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Interesting..

I rode the chopper in the picture at 152mph on a road right outside Las Vegas. The chopper has a 400hp CHEVY ZZ4 in it.

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The exact reason I wont/wouldn't purchase a bike, I would have done the same plus!

Wouldn't you burn your legs so close to the exhaust headers? It's amazing they crammed and auto motor on that bike.

Actually the engine puts out less heat than a full dress Harley. It runs at about 170 degrees because it thinks its on an engine stand. Its never working hard at all. Its a 10 second bike even with the street tire if you manage the throttle properly. I been riding it for 6 years and it never breaks or leaks. Its an automatic. It makes a nice companion for my Porsche when its in the garage.