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I just replaced my Porsche SSK with the stock 997 shifter(P/N 997-424-010-00) and I LOVE it!
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Use little green lock tool and my only complaint is
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I used the little green lock tool and my only complaint is that sometimes downshifting to 2nd the shifter opens the reverse gate.
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The tool is around $10 from Porsche, worth getting and checking your linkage adjustment is you�re really unhappy with it.
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Some are **** about clean wheels, clean paint, Porsche crest pointed to valve stems, etc.
Use alignment tool, maybe my 996 linkage just needed re-aligning
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Not sure whether this improvement is just the 997 shifter or the fact that when I fitted it I used the alignment tool, maybe my 996 linkage just needed re-aligning.
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Hi Guys,
I just replaced my Porsche SSK with the stock 997 shifter(P/N 997-424-010-00) and I LOVE it!
Much less effort than the SSK. Shifting requires a lot less focus/consciousness now. If you ever feel your SSK requires too much effort and don't like the vaguenes of the stock shifter, this IS the solution.
The throw is between SSK and stock. No slop whatsoever and it's butter smooth. Much more prescise than stock and overall shift is faster (than SSK and stock) and feels less brutal to the gearbox. It shifts smoothly even when engine is cold. The black plastic assembly is the same as the stock (same part number stamped on it) but the improvement is in the shifter itself. See the following for a better pic.
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-gt2-gt3-forum/330742-997-gt3-shifter.html
One big difference in feel compared to SSK is at the end of each shift travel, the SSK will feel like you hit a plastic wall that you can't really push the shifter any further while the 997 shifter there's some sponginess at the end of each gear travel, which I like since it's easier on the hand and on the gearbox.
I'm stunned. I find my friend's 997 just as sloppy as ever. Maybe it's because I am so completely enamoured and used to the SSK. Moreover, the "feel like you hit a plastic wall" sensation if my favorite part of the SSK. Dell once remarked that it's just like a "bolt-action rifle". I agree. I think it's awesome.
It's clearly a very persnoal choice for sure. The "plastic wall" if you think about it is actually the internal parts of the gearbox banging together abruptly (due to the design of the SSK) and that's what bothering me...
>> it is actually the internal parts of the gearbox banging together abruptly
A SSK changes the throw of the shifter arm. It does not change the operation of the cables and gearbox linkages.
You "feel" the "plastic wall" because of the angle of the shifter rod relative to the cable. On a SSK the angle is much closer to 90 degrees, so it feels like a wall. On mine the "wall" feel is only apparant in 2nd & 4th. On the oem ones, the angle is closer to 120 or 60, so the shock is transmitted at a vector angle through the rod, that you don't feel. That's all. If you shift "gently" with a SSK, it feels exactly the same, except for the effort. If you think about it, since the OEM shift has a far greater mechanical advantage (easier to shift), it is more likely to damage (if at all possible) the transmission shift linkage with the OEM than with a SSK becuase it takes SO much more effort to get the same force with the SSK!!.
Agree.
However, what limits the end of the shift travel is the gearbox and not the shifter itself (assuming the shifter is aligned correcly). So the "wall" feel is actually the gearbox stopping the shifter from moving any further. Since the SSK has metal everything including the bushings, there's no buffer to absorb this impact and hence the prominant "wall" feel. With OEM shifter, the bushings are plastic and that help absorbing the impact plus the angle of the shifter is less vertical. Therefore, the "wall" feel is less with the OEM shifter.
My point was since the SSK requires more effort due to reduced leverage, it's a lot easier for the user to "overshoot" (unintentianally) and put more effort than needed and hence rushing and forcing the synchros. Of course if you focus enough, you can be easy on the SSK to try to limit the overshoot but then it won't be fast anymore.
Agree the angle is part of the reason of the more prominant "wall" feel but I think (arguably) the bigger reason is the metal bushings of the SSK, which don't allow any slop.
I agree if you can shift the SSK "gently", then it's the same. But I found it not easy to shift gently with the SSK due to the increased force and (greatly) reduced distance of travel at the same time.
I do like the 997 upgrade, though I have not felt the 996 SSK. I did have a SSK in my honda and I think I know what you are talking about with the tightness and the vagueness. The 997 stock shifter shortens the throws while still retaining the satisfying resolution of actually being in gear.
Yes for me and a lot of folks will also agree. Best is to try it out first if you can as these are like mattresses, some ppl like it soft, some like it hard....very subjective.
In order to upshift into 2nd or 4th, I have to pause a little longer to achieve a smooth engagement. Into 4th in particular, I sort of feel the gear engagement through the stick as if, perhaps, something is misaligned.
On the other hand, downshifting into those same 2nd and 4th gears, no pause is needed.
I wonder if upgrading from 996 OEM to 997 shifter would improve the engagement in those 2 gears?
Could bushing wear in the OEM shifter be the culprit, if that makes sense as the car is 15 yrs old?
Otherwise, shifting into any other gears is smooth and I hear no noise from the transmission at any speed.
Comments welcome!
I have a 997 shifter on my tt. I like it much better than the evoms ssk that was originally on the car. I used the little green lock tool and my only complaint is that sometimes downshifting to 2nd the shifter opens the reverse gate.
Pause briefly in neutral between gears is always a good practice because it takes time for the syncro to work. I don't think changing to the 997 shifter will change what you're experiencing as any resistance you are experiencing comes from the transmission/linkage itself. The shifter itself has very little resistance and it's quite free to move.
The bushings in the stock shifter is a joke. They are too sloppy. The 997 stock shifter is much tighter.
Same reason as above, I don't think that is the problem of the shifter itself. The spring of the reverse gate is inside the transmission. Maybe you're so used to the force you needed to put it in reverse when you used the SSK. Now with more leverage, the spring will feel weaker.
100% plug and play and no messing with the cables. There's a B&M sk install instruction for removing the center console to get to the shifter. Then just unbolt the old one and swap in the new one with the centering tool mounted.
I was surprised how much better a 997 std shifter is vs the 996 std. with the 996 shifter it felt more notchy and when cold I had a few times it jumped out of 2nd, due to me not positively shifting.
997 feels nicer and no more 2nd gear jumps (have a detent repair that I have never fitted if someone wants one, BNIB $175).
Not sure whether this improvement is just the 997 shifter or the fact that when I fitted it I used the alignment tool, maybe my 996 linkage just needed re-aligning. The tool is around $10 from Porsche, worth getting and checking your linkage adjustment is you�re really unhappy with it.
Still feels like moving a stick in a bag full of rocks when cold, even with fresh Porsche oil, doesn�t seem to be much you can do about that though!
You may want to check and adjust your cables. I've had similar condition and even with using the factory alignment tool, it only gets your 75-80% there IMO. If you look at the threads, you'll see how fine the threading is and just a few turns can make a difference. Even if your shifter is original, over the years the cable and assembly can wear and be slightly off from new.
On another note, I think I finally nailed the perfect adjustment after a few tries. Before my 997 SSK got slightly notchy with a cold weather. I wanted to see if I can improve it by readjusting the cables. Now that is no longer an issue as well.
Thanks Ahsa� and Alpine for your comments.
Alpine: Did you achieve alignment nirvana by going for a test drive after each adjustment inputs until you got the perfect one?
Unfortunately yes and through the course of a few months only because I wanted it to be perfect but it was def worth it for me. Some are **** about clean wheels, clean paint, Porsche crest pointed to valve stems, etc. I'm **** about my shifts.
I would say I withered it down to +/- 3 turns on each cable. Don't see a reason to go any further.
In fact I had to back out my car the other day and it was around 35 degrees. I was still impressed on the feel the shifter gave me in the cold.
Interesting, maybe I would benefit from adjustment, but all shifts are buttery smooth, pretty smooth in the cold and no poppoing out whatso ever, maybe leave well enough alone. The funny thing is that I just put the shifter in, laid the cables in and that was it. No monkeying with it at all.
I bought a used shifter (997-424-010-00) and am about to install it but I don't have the green centering tool. Is this a critical item to have for the install?
