Review of Flat6 innovation Jake Raby M96/97 Engine rebuild class 102

Warning - long post with some pics at the end. I�ve never seen a review on Rennlist so I think maybe I could put together one. It really deserves a review. I just completed the 4-day engine rebuild class held by Flat 6 Innovations, Jake Raby's R&D facility in Atlanta ( http://www.flat6innovations.com/inde...rebuild-school ), co-instructed by Tony Callas from Callas Rennsport ( http://www.callasrennsport.com ). I learned a lot and it was a lot of fun at the same time! About a dozen attendees from all over the US and South Africa. Two mechanics in the group and a few from Rennlist. Overall Just let me start by saying I'm very impressed at several levels and I must tell you I have high standards and don�t get easily impressed I highly recommend this class if you plan to rebuild your engine or just want to learn the details and design of this engine. It's not cheap but it's worth every penny! I�ve learned a ton that I couldn�t have learned from other sources. Jake and Tony shared all the tricks that make the whole rebuilding process more manageable, less intimidating and most importantly less prone to mistakes. They also explained the reasons behind the tricks. Starting from core selection, component replacement, then all the way to engine break-in. They explained everything. Nothing beats watching demos from Jake and Tony and also practicing in person afterwards e.g., everyone was required to install the wrist pin, one of most challenging and unforgiving procedures when building this engine. No one will be left behind. You�ll learn to use the special tools and feel the engine parts at every step of the rebuild e.g., how smoothly the crank should feel. What�s considered normal force to turn something. The class gives a person all the info he needs to rebuild an M96/97 engine (and more) with confidence. Jake and Tony are world class instructors with great personalities. Extremely knowledgeable, engaging, eager to share, and fun. They answered all the questions we threw at them. It's a very intense 4-day hands-on class but if you pay attention and immerse yourself, I guarantee you will learn a ton regardless of your skill level. Jake and Tony have been working on and around these engines/Porsche for decades and both are super Porsche experts. Throw any questions to them and you'll see how little you know If you don�t know the 4 strokes of an internal combustion engine, this class may be a bit advanced for you but if you have some basic understanding of engine, you should have no problem following. If you have some engine disassembly/rebuild experience, that would be even better. You can really learn a lot. The R&D Facility It's about 45 min drive from Athens through beautiful and peaceful country roads (just watch out for deers though) with acres and acres of pasture, cotton fields, swamps, cows and horses. Barns and tractors everywhere. It's very relaxing every morning just commuting from the hotel to the facility. You don't really need morning coffee with Tony behind the wheel (j/k, really nice driving, Tony. You kept us safe). The facility is surgically clean with very cool/rare cars on display. Really envy Jake can work (or enjoy???) everyday in a shop like this. Jake's and Tony�s crews are also top-notch. From preparing tools/parts, answering our questions, to taking care of our breakfasts and lunches and transportations. Since it was catering, I wasn�t expecting much but it turned out the foods were awesome. Everything was really well thought out. You kinda feel like hanging out in a really cooI big car shop with a bunch of car buffs with a lot of Jake�s hospitality thrown in. Love the Friday bonfire! The Attendees This is what can make a big difference and it depends on your luck. I�m grateful I met a bunch of awesome people with great personalities. Everyone was so helpful. When you worked on the engine, 3 people were there handing you tools, grease, and parts. The mechanics in the group were very knowledgeable and they were patient with the rest of us amateurs. They provided tips, shared their experience, and corrected some mistakes when they saw some. They didn�t dominate the group at all and they always gave the chance to us amateurs when practicing. Day 1 Went over clearance, ring tensions, ring gaps, etc., which are critical info. Jake prepared two engines he had bought and left them untouched. No one including Jake knew what�s wrong with the engines. The group got to discover the failures along the way as we tore down the engine bit by bit. Everyone had a chance to disassemble something and all got to see what actually failed. At the end we found one engine had a broken rod. It destroyed the crankshaft and the piston (compressed all the ring lands so the rings were seized and no longer rotatable). The other engine had an oil/coolant intermix. Day 2 We started building a 3-chain engine with new and remanufactured components. Assembled crank, crank cradle, IMS, timing chains and dropped the cradle/IMS assembly into bank 1 case. Then installed bank 1 pistons. Here you can feel how smooth the crank should rotate. You also learn the techniques of aligning piston rings and piston insertion into the block. Day 3 Tony taught us all the tricks to time the 3-chain engine and the 5-chain engine with the timing tools. Went over all the components and differences between the two engines, how to check the components, etc. Jake taught us how to use the special tool to install piston pins and wrist pins. There are lots of tricks here and everyone is required to install piston #6 and wrist pin and clip with no failure. Day 4 Install the heads and cams, lifters, and timed the engine. Installed the front console, RMS, IMSB flange, scavenge pumps, swirl pots, oil sump, etc. to finish the long block. Final Thoughts One of the best features of this 4-day class is you get to ask Jake and Tony any relevant technical questions that they would probably not answer on forums A lot of good practice and attitude Jake and Tony taught also apply to other cars in general. Jake and Tony are really very nice people and their passion on Porsche really shows. They also shared a lot of fun and interesting stories. I think the class teaching material, organization, hand-on time, and logistics were very well thought out in details. 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More Pictures and comments please, if the class comes up again I would welcome the chance to learn from the best

I took a lot more photos but most have other people in them so don't want to post them unless I have their permission. Feel free to PM me for any questions you have on the class.

First of all thanks for the great write up Duncan, I second your review of this class, the program was top notch and definitely exceeded my expectations. What a beautiful training facility and one of a kind for sure. I can’t wait for the next class.

As Duncan and Chamilka accurately describe- It was fantastic 4 day man cave experience with a great group! A tremendous amount of information and fun was provided in a first class environment. I hope to be back for another class, and to keep in contact with some fantastic fellow enthusiasts! Breaking it down.....

awesome write up. hope to make this course one day.

Duncan, Thanks for the awesome review! This class was THE BEST hands on Engine Rebuild School that I have ever had, dating back to 2007! Thats no exaggeration! This class, and the attendees of mostly enthusiasts (two pros in the class, but one was a shop owner, and the other a service advisor, neither are techs) changed my way of thinking about these engines, and the future of them being the base for DIY engine rebuild projects. The attendees actually paid attention, had great questions and truly appreciated what was being conveyed. These attendees took more notes, took more photos, and wanted to spend time practicing certain things on their own during breaks, as well as before, and after class, each day. I always worry about bringing a group of people into my world, where things are done only my way, in the middle of a 50 acre field. The hustle of regular business is not found here, as all of that occurs at my main facility almost two hours away. In the middle of no where the phone doesn't ring, no one visits, and we are able to focus only on the topic at hand. If every class was like this one, I'd have a class every month! We will be having the one, and only 4 day enthusiast class in 2016 will occur November 9-14. We keep this class very small, with 1/2 the number of attendees of a technician class, so seats fill fast. We already have two of the 12 seats for this class filled. The Knowledge Gruppe website will be updated with 2016 classes later this week, and you can sign up with them. Not sure if the pricing will be the same, or not for 2016, though. You guys were great, and I can't believe that you guys said I was a nice guy! I told you not to blow my cover! :-)

Great review, I hope to attend one day

Great write up thanks much!!

Great write up guys. Any of you guys that attended this, did you previously rebuild any non-Porsche engines prior? And would any of you feel confident or knowledgeable enough to rebuild a m96 after taking the class? Also did you guys get to dyno any of the engines that you built?

"You guys were great, and I can't believe that you guys said I was a nice guy! I told you not to blow my cover! :-) " But did you give them the "Now drop and gimme 20 you pukes!!" ?

The engine that was built is one of my test mules. It will see dyno time in my lab in the next couple of weeks, but it didn't during the class. No time for that, it takes me two days to get the engine set up on the engine dyno for testing. Everything we do in the class is real, if a mistake is made, it is corrected before moving on. If someone drops something into the engine, we disassemble and fetch it. Its not about formalities or complications; I simplify all of the material thats presented and we spend a ton of time on the items that make the M96 engine difficult when compared to all others. Most people who attend this class (tech, and enthusiast alike) have ZERO engine building experience with any engine. I prefer it that way, as bad habits do not exist, and we don't have attendees that use experiences from other applications, trying to apply these to the M96. All of the material that Tony and I have compiled has been arranged for the person who has zero experience with engines. Thats how we can take an English Professor, a Pediatric Cardio- thoracic Surgeon, and even a Poet, and have them build their first engine successfully. In 2016 we will have fewer hands on classes, and more online classes. These include: -Engine Management(diagnostics and OBDII) - M96- 103 Hi Performance Engine School - 9a1 Engine Rebuild (DFI Engine) - Cayenne Engine Rebuild - IMS Retrofit Academy

I had a blast and met a lot of great guys. Luckily I had the strongest accent in the class so it was not Chamilka this time. Thanks for no pics Duncan. Me being in that Secret Squirrel Porsche group and all. I would encourage anyone that has any interest in 996/997 water cooled engines to take this class. It will further your knowledge of your vehicle whether you ever rebuild the motor or not. Tony was a great instructor. Jake was a bit of an ***..........always has been......always will be. As I say "If you don't think Jake is an *******, You've not know him long enough!"

After 20 years, you rate to say that!!

I was one of the few professionals in attendance. I have 20+ years of BMW experience as both a dealer technician/shop foreman and shop owner/shop foreman. I have recently begun working in a shop that services Porsche as well as BMW. As a BMW specialist, this was the first Porsche technical class I have attended. I have to say that this was without a doubt the most professional, informative, and enjoyable technical class I have attended including both factory BMW training as well as aftermarket sponsored classes. Too many classes focus on reading technical manuals as opposed to learning by performing procedures hands on. The class was structured in such a way as to allow a significant amount of time assembling an engine that is expected to run. As opposed to assembling a mock up this adds a level of stress that you will likely experience when building an engine at home. I believe this kept everyone focused as no one wanted to be responsible for making a critical mistake. Nearly anyone can read and comprehend a technical repair manual, but there is no substitute for actually getting your hands on the a parts and tooling required to successfully build an engine. I have built many BMW engines in my career including Motorsport V10's etcetera and could have easily talked myself into saving my money and not taking the class. With all of the talk regarding the complexities of this engine as well as the camshaft timing procedures being easy to misinterpret, I thought it would be wise to attend prior to working on a customers vehicle. In the end I am glad that I did. The instruction was first class as was the facility. Jake and Tony have differing backgrounds and we were able to take away valuable insights from their years of experience. Jake was excellent keeping the class focused and on track. Tony's demonstration of Camshaft timing was excellent and cleared up many of the questions we had. I had a great time with all of the Porsche enthusiasts and learned a great many things from them as well. They were a really sharp group of guys. The price of attendance may be expensive, but in my opinion it was worth every penny. Not only did I gain knowledge and confidence from the experience, but I also left having many new friends and no one can put a price on that.

Great posts, guys! Also, I love seeing shops that are so clean and organized. Wish I could get my indy to do that, but it ain't gonna happen.

As a prior attendee, I heartily agree with all of the above! To the OP the plural of deer is deer. To Jake, I guess we'll have to wait for the Friday night bonfire at the class reunion!

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I'm the only person working here... I clean as I work, so it stays squared away at all times... Every two weeks everything goes outside and I scrub the whole place top to bottom... You guys that attended the class noticed that everything is on wheels, and that's why... So I can roll it all outside and clean! I am not very social (I never see anyone), but lots of guys in classes asked for a get together on one of the nights... So Friday night, after a full day of piston installs and cam timing labs, I built a nice fire in the fire pit and we gathered around to drink a few cold ones... The attendees were in awe of the sounds from the swamp behind the shop that night... Wild pigs, and Coyotes were very active that night! I plan to make the bonfire a part of all future classes... Guys loved it!

I think I heard a Wookolar?????

Make it a combined '996 Rebuild & Boar Hunting' excursion, and I'll pay double. Sounds like a great experience, that i hope to attend if possible in 2016. Having not had my hands in an engine for a few decades, I've no bad habits to break: only the skin on my knuckles. Thank you all, for the photos and reviews.

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Bring a rifle and come on! Kaley filled 4 of the 12 seats for the Only Enthusiast class of 2016 today.. I'd expect them to all be gone before 2016 even starts..

@Alpine Yes, I have absolute confidence I can rebuild the M96 on my own after this class. Anyone can, as long as they pay attention in the class and follow all the tips closely. @My fellow classmates You guys are awesome and thanks for reinforcing my review! Glad some of you got on Rennlist @Jake You're very welcome. I'm just giving an honest review as I'm a no BS guy BTW, do we get to see the class photo you took with the drone? @All Also check out USMC_DS1's great write up here! https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...ast-class.html One more photo from me 1211152031_HDR (Medium).jpg

Last but not least, I need to thank my wife for taking care of the kids while I was gone having fun in the class!

Here's the drone pic of the class!

Nice pic!

^^^ Indeed! Love that 914. What motor is in it that warrants those tires? I have a personal "no black car" policy unless I win the lottery and can have Jeeves dust and polish it every day.

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The 914 is a bone stock 2.0. The funny thing is 2-3 years ago the 914 got no attention, today it's the car that everyone asks about... More people asked about it than any other car that I own. I was able to buy a full set of restored 2.0 Fuchs from a class attendee, so those hideous 8 spokes in gold will be gone soon!

Duncan that was a great review! I agree with all other attendees, this class gives you a HUGE amount of information if you are planning or considering rebuilding your M96/M97. Jake and Tony have put together not just an engine rebuilding program but it also touches on diagnostics, performance and reliability areas. You have 4 days with them to answer any questions you have in these areas. I have not rebuilt an engine for a couple of decades (never a Porsche engine) and do all my own wrenching. I am planning on installing an X51 Power Kit to my track car and feel a lot more confidant now that I attended the class. The facility is my dream facility. Looking at what Jake has built has given me some ideas on changes in my garage/shop before I tackle this project in the spring. Jake is a wealth of information in this area too. I want add that Jake and Kaley will feed you on great southern cooking until you will burst. They definitely take care of you! This class is highly recommend and totally worth the price�I would even considered it a bargain.

[QUOTE=Ahsai;12847375]@Alpine Yes, I have absolute confidence I can rebuild the M96 on my own after this class. Anyone can, as long as they pay attention in the class and follow all the tips closely. Duncan, Thanks for the post. I'm looking forward to seeing my former 996 restored to better than new performance. P.S., will you be at any of the upcoming SDPCA tech sessions?

Thanks, Cam! We enjoyed having you here as well. Speaking of prices, before I could increase then for 2016 people were already signing up on the site for the hands on class, so 2015 pricing will remain in place for 2016! Good for the attendees, and bad for The Knowledge Gruppe (and the guys who wait till 2017 to sign up, when the price will jump big time!), and we've had another sign up this morning already. This isn't a class; we've built it into a true learning experience, that can't be found anywhere else. Only the people who have attended, know what to expect!

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After checking with Jake and Tony, seems building a 3.8 is a no brainer so that's my current plan. Would love to attend those sessions but probably won't have time for now. [QUOTE=cringely;12848211]

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Jake, would be nice to know whether the engine we assembled runs well. I'm definitely interested in the online classes. Is the schedule out yet?

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I'll let you know how it runs. The class schedule is now written in stone for 2016. Here it is, as a snap peek, before its posted online. You guys are lucky, this last class restored my faith in offering classes. Until this past Monday we had no 2016 schedule, and I had pretty much planned on ditching the whole class idea. Kaley and I made this list yesterday, and it'll be on the site later this week with prices. (many prices will change): Online Classes: DF1(9A1) 101: February 8th & 10th This online class familiarizes the attendee with the differences between the 9a1 and the engines that came before it. This class also provides an understanding of problem areas with engine internals and even unique service directives that have never before been associated with a Porsche automobile. Most importantly, attendees that complete this class are pre- qualified for the Knowledge Gruppe LLC class “9A1 102 Engine Rebuild School,” which is a 4 day, hands on learning experience. This class covers disassembly and reassembly to the “long block” stage of completion. Attendees of all Knowledge Gruppe Engine Rebuild Schools will acquire the necessary knowledge to complete an engine assembly in their own garage, or shop. Attendees of this class will benefit from the "first hand" content of this class and the photo documentation that Jake Raby has gathered since he began working with the engines upon their first application in 2009. Though these engines are the current and latest generation of Porsche flat 6 power plants, Jake has already experienced the pros and cons of the engine design and has developed several products and procedures to make the engine a more robust performer. With the 9A1 powered Porsches completing their warranty periods every day, its important for technicians and shop owners to understand the issues and challenges they will soon be presented with in their shops. � 9A1 “101” Highlights � Meet the 9A1 � Differences between M96 engines and 9A1 engines � Engine configuration and layout illustrated � Oil system function, to include PWM oil pump design and operation � Unique 9A1 service and maintenance procedures � Engine disassembly and reassembly � What wears, what doesn't and why � DFI integration and how it has impacted engine mechanicals, combustion chamber, piston and port designs. � Performance modifications *This class was specifically created to prepare attendees for the “Hands on 9a1 102” class, and is a prerequisite for attending this class M96 Technician 101: February 22nd & 24th This online only class is the pre-requisite for all individuals who wish to attend the M96/97 (hands-on) Engine Rebuild School. In this class Jake Raby and Tony Callas provide the basic information necessary to understand the shortcomings of Porsche’s most misunderstood engine. The team of Raby and Callas bring their unique experiences to the class, with Callas instructing the external points of the engine, and Raby focusing on the internals. In this class you’ll be able to attend from the comfort of your own home, while you receive 8 hours of instruction on the topics of: � Meet the M96/97- Engine configuration layout and subsystems illustrated � Basic M96/97 Engine Management, fuel trim, system resets and etc � Cooling system design and function � Oil System design and function explained � Cracked Cylinder Heads, causes and effects � All about scheduled service � Engine Failure Illustrated-*The truth about on- track failures � G force oil starvation, and other myths are busted! � Meet the IMS Bearing, and understand its 4 Stages of failure, and how to both avoid, and preventatively address them! Cayenne 101: March 7th & 9th Most importantly, attendees that complete these classes are pre- qualified for the Knowledge Gruppe LLC class “M48 102 Engine Rebuild School,” which is a 4 day, hands on learning experience. This class covers disassembly and reassembly to the “long block” stage of completion. Attendees of all Knowledge Gruppe Engine Rebuild Schools will acquire the necessary knowledge to complete an engine assembly in their own garage, or shop. Attendees of this online class will benefit from the "first hand" content of this class and the photo documentation that Jake Raby and Tony Callas have gathered since they began working with the engines. With the so many Porsche Sport Utility vehicles completing their warranty periods every day, its important for technicians and shop owners to understand the issues and challenges they will soon be presented with in their shops. This class only covers content pertaining to the M48 V8 engine, it does not contain any information for the Cayenne V6 (VR6) engine. � Cayenne M48 “101” Highlights � Meet the 9M48 � Unique M48 design points � Engine configuration and layout illustrated � Oil system function, to include oil pump design and operation � Unique M48 service and maintenance procedures � Engine disassembly and reassembly � What wears, what doesn't and why � DFI integration and how it has impacted engine mechanicals, combustion chamber, piston and port designs. � Performance modifications *This class was specifically created to prepare attendees for the “Hands on M48 102” class, and is a prerequisite for attending this class HI Performance 101: March 21st & 23rd � This unique class spills the beans on the black art of creating an updated, high performance version of an M96/ 97 Porsche engine. � The content of this class can be comprehended by those who have not attended M96 101 (online or when offered in the classroom) or M96 102, but attendance of these two classes is highly encouraged for those who wish to net the maximum benefit of the content that’s provided. � Attendees will receive 8 hours of real instruction on the topics of: -M96/ M97 Performance Basics -High Performance Cylinder Heads (With Len Hoffman) -Performance Lubrication - Hi- Performance Shortblock Configuration Secrets -Cylinder and Piston Secrets -Understanding On- Track Oil System/ Engine Failures -Intake To Tailpipe/ Sub- system Discussion -Understanding Hi- Performance Camshafts -Intermediate Shaft Mods for Hi- Performance -Performance Coatings- Secrets and Myths -Forced Induction and the M96/ M97 - 30 minutes of silver bullets! -Dyno Tuning/ Understanding -Performance ECU Tuning! M96 Enthusiast 101: September 26th & 28th *This class is for ENTHUSIASTS ONLY* This online only class is the pre-requisite for all individuals who wish to attend the M96/97 (hands-on) Engine Rebuild School. In this class Jake Raby and Tony Callas provide the basic information necessary to understand the shortcomings of Porsche’s most misunderstood engine. The team of Raby and Callas bring their unique experiences to the class, with Callas instructing the external points of the engine, and Raby focusing on the internals. In this class you’ll be able to attend from the comfort of your own home, while you receive 8 hours of instruction on the topics of: � Meet the M96/97- Engine configuration layout and subsystems illustrated � Basic M96/97 Engine Management, fuel trim, system resets and etc � Cooling system design and function � Oil System design and function explained � Cracked Cylinder Heads, causes and effects � All about scheduled service � Engine Failure Illustrated-*The truth about on- track failures � G force oil starvation, and other myths are busted! � Meet the IMS Bearing, and understand its 4 Stages of failure, and how to both avoid, and preventatively address them! Hands On Classes: M96 Technician 102: May 11th - 14th On the first day of the class the group of attendees will disassemble M96/97 engines, and learn the basics of component layout as they go. The remaining three days of the class are dedicated to engine assembly of an updated stock M96/97 engine and labs. The labs during this class are a great value as 3 mock engines are used for both 3 and 5 chain camshaft timing, and wrist pin installation using different forms of factory, and Raby developed special tools. The class is a fast paced learning experience with a real engine, real instructors and real problem solving. Each morning the class will view presentations about the written methods of that day’s planned assembly, and the in the afternoons everyone heads into the shop to assemble the engine. Though this class is “Rebuild School”, the attendees also learn a lot about disassembly and reassembly to support internal engine repair operations that are valuable for engines that don’t require a “rebuild” but have experienced a mechanical malfunction. Put simply, when attendees of this class return home to their shops, they possess the confidence and knowledge to assemble an M96/97 engine in its entirety; and many do this. This class, like all Knowledge Gruppe Hands- on classes leaves no one behind, as the instructors will help those with lesser experience understand the processes. This class typically has 3 instructors, so there’s plenty of assistance standing by to help bring attendees up to speed without slowing the class down. Attendees will receive 36-40+ hours of real instruction on the topics of: � Special Tool selection & use. � Machining, balancing, cleaning and preparing components for assembly. � What parts to replace, and not replace during a rebuild � Disassembling & reassembling an engine for repair purposes, rather than rebuild. � Torque specifications and tightening sequences � Cam timing on 3 and 5 chain engines (each attendee will set cam timing himself) � Piston installation using special tools and Raby procedures (each attendee will install pistons) � In depth information concerning cylinder heads, machining and deficiencies of certain models � Complete engine disassembly and evaluation � Engine reassembly to complete a “long block” assembly � How to assemble a “leak free” engine using non- factory sealants and procedures � Tons of “silver bullets” are given on the tricks of assembling an M96/97 engine M96 Enthusiast 102: November 9th-12th NOTE: THIS CLASS IS FOR ENTHUSIASTS ONLY. On the first day of the class the group of attendees will disassemble M96/97 engines, and learn the basics of component layout as they go. The remaining three days of the class are dedicated to engine assembly of an updated stock M96/97 engine and labs. The labs during this class are a great value as 3 mock engines are used for both 3 and 5 chain camshaft timing, and wrist pin installation using different forms of factory, and Raby developed special tools. The class is a fast paced learning experience with a real engine, real instructors and real problem solving. Each morning the class will view presentations about the written methods of that day’s planned assembly, and the in the afternoons everyone heads into the shop to assemble the engine. Though this class is “Rebuild School”, the attendees also learn a lot about disassembly and reassembly to support internal engine repair operations that are valuable for engines that don’t require a “rebuild” but have experienced a mechanical malfunction. Put simply, when attendees of this class return home to their shops, they possess the confidence and knowledge to assemble an M96/97 engine in its entirety; and many do this. This class, like all Knowledge Gruppe Hands- on classes leaves no one behind, as the instructors will help those with lesser experience understand the processes. This class typically has 3 instructors, so there’s plenty of assistance standing by to help bring attendees up to speed without slowing the class down. Attendees will receive 36-40+ hours of real instruction on the topics of: � Special Tool selection & use. � Machining, balancing, cleaning and preparing components for assembly. � What parts to replace, and not replace during a rebuild � Disassembling & reassembling an engine for repair purposes, rather than rebuild. � Torque specifications and tightening sequences � Cam timing on 3 and 5 chain engines (each attendee will set cam timing himself) � Piston installation using special tools and Raby procedures (each attendee will install pistons) � In depth information concerning cylinder heads, machining and deficiencies of certain models � Complete engine disassembly and evaluation � Engine reassembly to complete a “long block” assembly � How to assemble a “leak free” engine using non- factory sealants and procedures � Tons of “silver bullets” are given on the tricks of assembling an M96/97 engine Technician Engine Management: Sept. 17th & 18th Curriculum: We start the class by explaining all the Porsche scan tools and comparing their secret capabilities. Then we will cover Porsche's logic on the misfire and fuel trim systems, not just theory but how these systems actually work. We will cover the Bosch engine management systems in detail including the ME versions of 2.10, 5.2, 5.2.2, 7.2 and 7.8, comparing and explaining their differences. Cam timing affects engine management so we will be covering our virtual checking process via a DSO Scope. Objective: Our goal has always been for you to be able to leave our class and immediately have the tools, logic and rationale you need to diagnose a Porsche (Bosch) engine management problem on the spot in short order. We hope to take the guesswork out and demystify the Bosch engine management systems. To achieve this, the class utilizes several vehicles with induced issues, then the class will work in teams to solve these issues, utilizing various scan tools. Attendees will receive 16-18+ hours of mixed classroom and hands on instruction on the topics of: � Scan tools comparison and what they cover (Hammer, PST2, PIWIS-1 & PIWIS-2) � *Scan tool Hands-On section � Explanation and theory of all Porsche fuel injection systems. � Camshaft deviation diagnosis utilizing a DSO scope. � *Camshaft Deviation Hands-On section � Fuel trim diagnosis technique simplified � *Fuel trim Hands-On section � Misfire fault evaluation and diagnosis techniques � Diagnosis of all faults - Where to find the information you will need-GFF � Testing the AOS utilizing a Manometer � *AOS Testing Hands-On � Variable camshaft timing and lift systems � Explanation of all Evaporative Emissions Systems � ORVR Refueling system explained � ORVR Hands-On section � Common-pattern failure items explained * Denotes additional time spent on segment during this class Enthusiast Engine Management: June 25th & 26th *This class is for ENTHUSIASTS ONLY* Curriculum: We start the class by explaining all the Porsche scan tools and comparing their secret capabilities. Then we will cover Porsche's logic on the misfire and fuel trim systems, not just theory but how these systems actually work. We will cover the Bosch engine management systems in detail including the ME versions of 2.10, 5.2, 5.2.2, 7.2 and 7.8, comparing and explaining their differences. Cam timing affects engine management so we will be covering our virtual checking process via a DSO Scope. Objective: Our goal has always been for you to be able to leave our class and immediately have the tools, logic and rationale you need to diagnose a Porsche (Bosch) engine management problem on the spot in short order. We hope to take the guesswork out and demystify the Bosch engine management systems. To achieve this, the class utilizes several vehicles with induced issues, then the class will work in teams to solve these issues, utilizing various scan tools. Attendees will receive 16-18+ hours of mixed classroom and hands on instruction on the topics of: � Scan tools comparison and what they cover (Hammer, PST2, PIWIS-1 & PIWIS-2) � *Scan tool Hands-On section � Explanation and theory of all Porsche fuel injection systems. � Camshaft deviation diagnosis utilizing a DSO scope. � *Camshaft Deviation Hands-On section � Fuel trim diagnosis technique simplified � *Fuel trim Hands-On section � Misfire fault evaluation and diagnosis techniques � Diagnosis of all faults - Where to find the information you will need-GFF � Testing the AOS utilizing a Manometer � *AOS Testing Hands-On � Variable camshaft timing and lift systems � Explanation of all Evaporative Emissions Systems � ORVR Refueling system explained � ORVR Hands-On section � Common-pattern failure items explained * Denotes additional time spent on segment during this class

Just in Time to work on the 2016 overhead education and travel budget. All CPA's need to be schooled in the fine art of the 996 motor is what I always say!

Awesome post - thanks for sharing. Looks like a lot of hard work - prepping for that kind of class takes care and serious investment...looks absolutely fantastic! With this kind of knowledge, being shared in a purposeful and sustainable way, we the drivers of M96/97 cars are in good hands for the long term. Good stuff and thanks again for sharing. Pluses for the fire pit and beer drinking.

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Awesome write up and info. I'd like to take the class just cause I'm curious, but I'll likely never be that far into an engine so I'd rather not take space away from someone that will get a more direct benefit. Besides, I can't be bothered to find my drain plug Jake, I don't understand this comment. Previously you've always said good things about the class experiences and the attendees. There haven't been many reviews of the classes, but all the ones I have seen have been just as glowing as posted here. Is it just the stress/work of managing it all and it keeping you from actually working on engines or were there some problems?

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Has this class ever been offered before? This seems really interesting. Didn't really think about modifying an IMS Shaft for "HI" Performance before. Is this all theory or will students be assembling an actual performance motor and tuning it as well(ecu tuning on a engine/chassis/roller dyno)? Also curious to know if the 30 min of silver bullets will involve ISIS or Werewolves in any way?

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Just one problem with two attendees who decided to be at odds with each other... I had to square them away, and it was a really childish situation that boiled down to an enthusiast being in a Pro level class. This is why I have created classes for each of the two followings. Leave it to people to ruin things! When things start to be a pain in the ***, or they aren't fun, I stop doing them.... I don't have to do the classes, and it's just some extra cash to support my car/ gun habits... That said, the classes really suck the life out of me... It takes two weeks to prep for a class, then the week of the class I generally get 2-3 hours of sleep as we have to spend the time after the class prepping tools and parts for the next day... That work can't be done ahead of time, since we build the engine live and real. It's not a dummy engine that won't ever run, and that's what makes the class what it is. On top of that my personal build schedule is booked up, and I'd rather build engines as instruct classes. With development wide open on the GT4 engine, and soon to be on the new 9a2 turbo engines, I have a lot to get done in a short time. That's why this year we are only having 4 hands on classes; the rest are online. As for the Performance Engine Class, we have been holding the classes live and in person. I moved the class online because the format of the class allows this, and it's 1/2 the price of doing it live. 30 minutes of silver bullets is a whole bunch of tricks.. We call those "silver bullets"

Wow, that went from "check out my bitchin' new classroom" to "this sucks, I'd rather be doing something else" in a hurry. Not that I blame you - I come close to throttling someone just about every day - and these are people I know and (mostly) like...

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That situation happened in my very first class at the new facility... Since 2007 I had been doing classes at the main facility and NEVER had a single issue. Not even a smart comment. The whole down stairs of the facility is my shop.. The upstairs is the classroom areas.. Most of the time I don't even go upstairs for the whole week.. Maybe to fire up the grill for a burger, but that's it.

Well, it certainly looked impressive from the photos you posted a while back. I hope a couple of losers don't sour the whole thing for you, at least not for a while yet.

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Yeah, as I was driving today I was thinking about that class, and how much work it would be. I figured the 30 minutes of Silver Bullets was everyone around the fire pit slamming a six pack, each. Was hoping you had more class than to serve them Coors Light.

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It's all good... This last class more than made up for it.. It was great. But... Don't wait to attend, you never know when I am going to say to hell with it, and shut it down! I'll stick with it through 2016 for sure :-)

So: Online Technician 101 in February is the necessary prerequisite for the hands-on Rebuild Course planned for November? When can I sign up for these in tandem? Separately: 30-06, or .300 WinMag for local boars? Inquiring minds want to know.

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It never ceases to amaze me how people can't put differences aside for a couple days in situations like that. Sucks you had to deal with that, but glad you stuck it through.

Hi Jake, is the high performance 101 class (March) an online class? It's listed under online classes but the description says it's a hands on class. Also, will the enthusiast engine managment class (June) be held in CA? Any classes in CA?

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I've edited the description.. Thats as an over sight, the Hi Performance class has always been a live class before, but now I have moved it to online only. We do not build an engine in that class, so it can be done online. NONE of the enthusiast classes will be held in California, all enthusiast classes occur at my facility. The California classes are done in conjunction with SSF Auto Parts, and they only work with professional shops/ techs.

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Any 30 caliber round will do the job on a pig, prefer a soft point, core- lokt round for maximum effectiveness... That said, the 101 class is required for any hands on class. You can sign up Monday on the website at www.theknowledgegruppe.com once they get everything loaded for 2016. They are working on it now.

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Thanks for the clarification and info, Jake. I just wish Athens was closer

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At least you're still in the same country. Spare a thought for those who are on the other side of an ocean :-(

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Isn't New Zealand like TWO oceans away?

To those 996 owners who attended the class, I'm just curious if it changed your thinking about how you drive the car or maintain the car. For example, warm up times, higher rpms, winter starting, oil choice, etc.

Hi, Jake; I just need some info re: the online enthusiast class...Are these "attend at your convenience" or are they live web events where we can have interactive dialogue? Thanks! Carl

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I would be surprised if 90% have not seen the light about oil choice!

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It's the latter. Pre-scheduled webinar. You interact with Jake, Tony and other attendees using your mic and video cam. 4hrs per day for two days.

Amazing how some people need to make the smallest thing into a pi**ing contest. Of course, then again: have you seen the 996 vs 993 vs 997 vs 964 arguments around here---let alone the PDK vs manual verbal fistfights? Thanks for the info, Jake.

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IN one class I had an Australian, someone from Thailand, another from Ireland, and another from Germany. Then, 3 Canadians... Try instructing that group in a hands on class..

Really really interested in coming out to one of your classes from over here on the west coast. Heard nothing but great things about the classes.

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Sounds good... Just waiting for The Knowledge Gruppe to get things listed and released for 2016. I'd expect them to fill super fast since I told them I wanted to do 1/2 as many classes in 2016 as this year.

The Knowledge Gruppe informed me that all the 2016 classes are now online for registration. This includes all online, and Hands- On classes. Please do not PM me about class dates, or prices/ etc. Send all that info through the email address on www.theknowledgegruppe.com for quick replies. I know that email address won't be monitored after tomorrow, until January 4 when things get back to normal for everyone. Feel free to sign up online, any time. Two hands on classes have booked up today, and it looks like all the classes are at least 50% filled so far, for all of 2016.

Wow, 50% filled already! Sounds like a great start

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Sure enough! Thats before anyone even knew the classes had been listed... Hell, that was before I even knew they were listed!

The ONLY 2016 M96/ M97 102 Enthusiast Class will be held May 11-14, 2016. Here's the details for those that were following the thread: 996 Owners: We have only one enthusiast class scheduled for the 2016 Hands On Training Schedule. This M96 102 Engine Rebuild School is coming up May 11-14, 2016. The material is the same that we offer to the professionals that attend classes, but it is broken down more into lay terms for the person who doesn't twist wrenches everyday. This class is instructed by Tony Callas, and I. Charles Navarro of LN Engineering may be in attendance as well, and if so, he will be instructing the cylinder and IMS Bearing portions of the class. This is not an uptight, formal environment! All classes are instructed practically, and in a shop environment. We laugh, joke, and LEARN together, in the shop! For this class I plan to have some sort of after class get together on Saturday evening, with a bonfire and some southern hospitality, too. We disassemble engines on the first day, then the remaining 3 days are filled with assembly of the engine, and everyone gets their turn to carry the assembly out. We have extensive labs for cam timing, and piston installation. This is the same material that we instruct in PRO level classes! The difference is we take more time with some aspects of the assembly that enthusiasts will benefit from. We have broken up enthusiast classes from pro classes, because Pros don't like enthusiasts in classes, and enthusiasts don't like pros in classes. The pro feels the simple material is beneath them, and the enthusiast feels left behind because we use pro terms, and etc. Breaking classes down the way that we have eliminates these issues, making for a better experience for all attendees. Here's a couple of recent Rennlist threads that were started by members that attended the December 2015 class. See their reviews and tons of photos, here: https://rennlist.com/forums/997-forum...thusiast+Class Here is a bit about the "two stage" curriculum of this class: All attendees will first complete two online "101" class sessions. These are preparatory classes for those attending the Hands- On class, and they are required. This allows us to cover more material in the hands- on class, and spend more time in the shop, than the classroom. This online only class is the pre-requisite for all individuals who wish to attend the M96/97 (hands-on) Engine Rebuild School. In this class Jake Raby and Tony Callas provide the basic information necessary to understand the shortcomings of Porsche�s most misunderstood engine. The team of Raby and Callas bring their unique experiences to the class, with Callas instructing the external points of the engine, and Raby focusing on the internals. In this class you�ll be able to attend from the comfort of your own home, while you receive 8 hours of instruction on the topics of: Meet the M96/97- Engine configuration layout and subsystems illustrated Basic M96/97 Engine Management, fuel trim, system resets and etc Cooling system design and function Oil System design and function explained Cracked Cylinder Heads, causes and effects All about scheduled service Engine Failure Illustrated-*The truth about on- track failures G force oil starvation, and other myths are busted! Meet the IMS Bearing, and understand its 4 Stages of failure, and how to both avoid, and preventatively address them! Hands- On (102) Curriculum: On the first day of the class the group of attendees will disassemble M96/97 engines, and learn the basics of component layout as they go. The remaining three days of the class are dedicated to engine assembly of an updated stock M96/97 engine and labs. The labs during this class are a great value as 3 mock engines are used for both 3 and 5 chain camshaft timing, and wrist pin installation using different forms of factory, and Raby developed special tools. The class is a fast paced learning experience with a real engine, real instructors and real problem solving. Each morning the class will view presentations about the written methods of that day�s planned assembly, and the in the afternoons everyone heads into the shop to assemble the engine. Though this class is �Rebuild School�, the attendees also learn a lot about disassembly and reassembly to support internal engine repair operations that are valuable for engines that don�t require a �rebuild� but have experienced a mechanical malfunction. Put simply, when attendees of this class return home to their shops, they possess the confidence and knowledge to assemble an M96/97 engine in its entirety; and many do this. This class, like all Knowledge Gruppe Hands- on classes leaves no one behind, as the instructors will help those with lesser experience understand the processes. This class typically has 3 instructors, so there�s plenty of assistance standing by to help bring attendees up to speed without slowing the class down. Attendees will receive 36-40+ hours of real instruction on the topics of: -Special Tool selection & use. -Machining, balancing, cleaning and preparing components for assembly. -What parts to replace, and not replace during a rebuild -Disassembling & reassembling an engine for repair purposes, rather than rebuild. -Torque specifications and tightening sequences -Cam timing on 3 and 5 chain engines (each attendee will set cam timing himself) -Piston installation using special tools and Raby procedures (each attendee will install pistons) -In depth information concerning cylinder heads, machining and deficiencies of certain models -Complete engine disassembly and evaluation -Engine reassembly to complete a �long block� assembly -How to assemble a �leak free� engine using non- factory sealants and procedures -Tons of �silver bullets� are given on the tricks of assembling an M96/97 engine Remember, between the "101" online portion, and the "102" hands- on portion of this class a total of 48 hours of instruction will occur. You will leave our world with the knowledge that you need to build, or internally repair the M96/ M97 engine successfully. For details about the facility, and some photos, follow this link: http://www.theknowledgegruppe.com/in.../classes-info/ To sign up for this class, and place your deposit, click here: http://www.theknowledgegruppe.com/in...h-2016deposit/ Also, call Kaley at The Knowledge Gruppe at [phone removed] extension 634 to sign up, or to ask questions. Note: All deposits are non- refundable, seats for these classes are limited, so please ensure that you can attend the class before committing. If you leave the seat open, very seldom can it be filled on short notice.

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I called them today, the very unhelpful information was a waist of my time. O and better yet, quote over 10k for a cam tensioner job, what a joke. Called Konig of Oceanside there after, super friendly represented, Konig offered the same Job, same Parts, plus a Ims bearing replacing, a water pump a Aos, and thermostat changed. Guaranteed ! For 5 to 6k for everything mention above. Great guys out In Oceanside that Stands with US

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This post is a review of the classes offered by the Knowledge Gruppe, not sure what this may have to do with your type of need for service. At Flat 6 our service isn't broken down to only address a couple of points. When we go inside we address everything within, this is how I deliver a better value. These are Preventative packages, and we apply these things even if doing a repair to an associated item. The price of "over 10K" included all new chain guides, all new lifters, new 4/5 timing chains, as well as our master linked main timing chains being fitted. (Those chains are not available anywhere else). This also includes new hall effect sensors, and checking camshaft reluctor wheel index. Of course the AOS/ water pump, and etc were also included. We also would install my IMS Solution; not just a standard IMS Retrofit bearing. The cost differential there is 1K dollars alone, and could be more. Glad to see that you got the answers that you were looking for, elsewhere. I was 10' away from Jud when he was going over this with you this morning, and he did his best to convey these points to you. No worries :-)

And there you have it...

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W.A.M...

This is not the appropriate thread for this discussion.

Wow. That's pretty damn cool. If I end up with a 996, I'd be very interested in taking the class.

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I have done business with 15 different companies relating to my 996 ranging from cheap parts stores to ultra high end race shops. And I can tell you that my experience with Flat6 Innovations has been the best (Ira at Tarett is really really good too though). Jake is one of the least greedy guys I've ever done business with. In one situation, he went way beyond what I expected and what I asked for to make sure I came out on a deal. And in return, he has my loyalty for life. They do charge a premium price for a premium product though and caters to a particular niche that wants the best. But I've dealt with a few high end race that charged the same kind of premium, did pretty good work, but had lousy customer service. FSI is the full package. And every one of their customers I talked to before my first purchase told me the exact same thing. So good luck with your repairs and I hope you find a shop that's willing to put up with you. Because I'm willing to bet you will never be able to do business with FSI now. Once you show your true colors, they tend to black ball you for life.

Some people need to think before they speak (or type)...

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Hotrod, I know the owner of Konig well. He is a super nice guy, and a great mechanic., But, bring a gallon of Astroglide, because he will REAM you on prices. When you get back out here, give me a shout and I will hook you up with whatever you need to service your car.

Bud, I know you have an opinion. That's fine - but you need to quit crapping in this thread, or you're going to get banhammered. This is a friendly public service announcement from someone who has felt the sting of Rennlist's mj�lnir.

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I don't know Jake, nor have I done any business with him, but you are really crossing the line here. Start your own thread if you want to bash him ( I advise against it) ! He has done so much (more than anyone else) for the VW and Porsche community, that this crapfest your starting will make him think twice about offering any of us his "fre" advice on this forum! Give it a rest...You've already shown what a hot head and irrational person you are by threatening to blow up you 996. You sir, are the only idiot here!

It sounds like a fun class to take.

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People learn a lot, and we have a lot of fun.. jokes, taking rides in tanks and other military vehicles, bon fire on Friday nights... you name it. Its never formal, and never uptight. It's a shop atmosphere and I make it real.

Silly half-baked post which isn't going to get much sympathy here. I haven't paid a dime to Jake nor Flat 6 yet, but he sure as hell has earned my respect and trust from his generous posts on this forum. Dude has chimed in more than once with valuable advice on issues I've had with my car. When I get my bearing replaced, i'll be using his products and his recommended installer.

"People learn a lot, and we have a lot of fun.. jokes, taking rides in tanks and other military vehicles, bon fire on Friday nights... you name it. Its never formal, and never uptight. It's a shop atmosphere and I make it real." The atmosphere sounds like a blast. Plus, the knowledge gained undoubtedly can't be bought elsewhere. I wish you did a west coast class.

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Same here, sounds like a fantastic class. Would love to attend someday. Bucket list item.

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The only way this class works is in my world. I have all of what we need here to do the hands- on tasks associated with building the engines, and etc. The Training Facility is set up for the classes in every way, and was built specifically for these purposes. Plus, I'm done traveling. I make one trip to the west coast per year, and I hate every minute of it! I used to travel 1-2 times per month across N America doing Porsche engine training for Worldpac Training Institute. It was impossible to convey what we needed in a hotel conference room, without tools, or an engine. Thats why I quit.

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I agree....there's no way we could have had this class anywhere but Jake's training facility. You tear down engines, build an engine and use specialized tools. The logistics of having this anywhere else would be a nightmare. Flights are cheap enough...just fly to Atlanta and enjoy some Southern Hospitality!

To change the speed of this thread, I'm scheduled to drop off my C2 to Jeff @ Kraftwerks that is a certified IMSB Retrofit installer to do IMSB, AOS, LNE filter, and a few other items. Knowing that they learned from this class is a huge weight off my shoulders, and hopefully one day I'll be able to attend. Props to Jake for his time and investment in sharing knowledge.

Flights cheap?

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You are in good hands with Jeff.. Very methodical builder, and he follows our directives verbatim. He attended the class many years ago, and We saw eye to eye. That said, I had a M96 102 Technicians class set up for November, but we are having more interest in that class from enthusiasts than techs, so I might swap the course over to an enthusiast class to end the year with. If so, who's in?

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Well...not for someone who lives in Paradise! That is an variance I could get used to!

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I would love to, but I'm already booked to be somewhere that weekend. I am definitely attending if you still do it early next year.

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I'm thinking of going through it again. There is SO much information/knowledge shared it's hard to catch it all. You basically have Jake, Charles, and Tony doing a knowledge dump all 4 days...all day (and evening) long! By that time I'll be into my 3.4 rebuild so it will be even more meaningful.

IF there were another 101 class this year, I'd definitely consider it. what dates?

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Ditto! This is my idea of a nice vacation! Looking here http://flat6innovations.com/index.ph...rebuild-school I see that the online 101 class is a pre-requisite for 102 (hands on). "Who: Any Porsche Enthusiast or Professional Technician who has completed the M96 101 "Porsche M96 Engine Mechanical Class through WTI, or online" No details I saw on how to do that... EDIT: A search of this thread found "That said, the 101 class is required for any hands on class. You can sign up Monday on the website at www.theknowledgegruppe.com once they get everything loaded for 2016. They are working on it now." which lists this class in Sept 2017 http://www.theknowledgegruppe.com/in...ild-class-101/ and then a 102 class on the Nov 1-4 2017

The 101 class in September is a Technician's class....will that be changed to Enthusiast as well?? With a September 101 and a Nov 102, I think I would be in...just need to make sure I can swing the 101..I usually travel that week.

Yes, the 101 will be swapped if I do this. Techs are more interested in my 9A1 class, and the new Aircooled classes.

I just finished this class. I�m bumping the thread because this review is 100% spot on and accurate. If you own one of these cars and want to know how it works, what to watch out for and how to repair it when things go wrong, this class is a bargain. Jake, Tony and Charles are top notch, honest, know the material and treated everyone great no matter their skill, experience level or previous knowledge. I was equally impressed with the knowledge and skills of the class attendees. While having a general automotive background, I knew zero about flat six Porsche M96/97 engines prior to the online class. The online class was great prep for the hands on. I gained in knowledge, hands on experience and comraderie far beyond the money spent. The guest presentations by Len Hoffman and Lake Speed Jr. are also very informative. With any luck next year I can go back and take the hands on high performance class.

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This class was awesome in every way! Attentive, respectful, and appreciative! Here�s our class photo after completing the long block engine assembly!! Garth, on the back row in the orange shirt traveled here from Toowomba Queensland Australia just for this class. His attendance proves that no one in North America can say that �Georgia is too far to travel to learn about the M9X engine�! He�s not our first Australian attendee, and I am sure he won�t be the last!

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Well said Anthony. Even though I'm not planning on opening the engine on my current 996 at the moment, this class gave me a much better understanding of: How the engine is put together What's inside the case, what it looks like and what material it is made of (making oil analysis more meaningful) Why being able to replace the timing chains without pulling the engine completely apart is a HUGE deal (only Flat 6 can do it) The "whys" of different types of engine failures and what to do to limit your exposure. What makes a good or bad oil Which engine versions are more susceptible to what failures I also enjoyed interacting with the students that are professional technicians. Learned some great stuff from them *AND* it was great to see them committing the time and money to be great at what they do. I have also been contemplating buying a car with a failed M96 and I learned a lot from Jake and Chris about what to look for in a non-running car and what to RUN away from. To the fellow students with non-running engines, I'm sending you my best and please keep us updated on your progress.

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Thanks for the kind words. I am glad that you had an enjoyable educational experience. This class had the best mix of pros and enthusiasts ever. The pros have proven to be more beneficial than in the past, when the classes were mostly pro, and partially enthusiast. With mostly enthusiasts, and 3-4 pros, the mix is excellent. Buying a broken car is by far the absolutely best way to learn! Its how I learned in the old days, when all this began. My challenge then was a lot of cars were still in warranty, so buying a cheap one was tough.

And as you and I discussed yesterday, the challenge today is convincing someone their $25K Porsche with a big puddle of liquid under it is only worth $5K now...

I too will probably do the long slow careful look for a busted car to buy and save. One of the best but saddest part of the class was meeting nice, good, conciencious owners with mechanical skills and ability that have engines that failed. I learned a lot about Porsche engines, well beyond the money spent. I knew some engine stuff but zip about flat sixes before this class. A lot of people get the idea that the issues are overstated and that certain people are making a fortune off their work. Reality sets in once you meet them and see these engines in pieces. The guys in this business and answering our silly questions do it because they love the cars and shared experiences. Jake, Tony and Charles could all be successful doing other things, guaranteed. They just picked Porsche�s as a profession and hobby. And after seeing what they are really up against, I�m also very happy doing what I do for work. The grass is always greener on the other side until you get there and see it up close. I�m honestly most impressed they keep trying to help everyone in the face of some of the discussions about these issues. You don�t have to like them, but they are really trying to help. Sometimes the message is 100% accurate you just don�t like the delivery or implications of that reality. For the M96 the implication is an expensive repair or prevention, and that generates tons of denial. It can�t be that bad, right? That�s what I thought at first. Now I know, in fact, it could be worse. Just like a well trained military guy, this class is your chance to get prepared. The class is really just cheap insurance to prepare you for what will eventually happen. If you run these engines long enough, something will happen. All engines have their issues. Know them. Address them proactively or wait and react; your choice.

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See my post signature...

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The truth hurts sometimes. I actually think buying a 996 with M96 has stages. 1). Wow I just bought an awesome car for a bargain! (true but glosses over a lot of things) 2). IMS knowledge and maintenance issues (even if you’ve heard about the IMS and did a PPI). This is the it can’t be that bad stage. 3). Gee people I’ve met or heard about are losing engines. Maybe they were just unlucky (yes they were unlucky but luck isn’t the deciding factor). 4). Okay these are real issues and you start being proactive or making plans in case. (the classes get you here quicker and helpsb you chart a course of action) 5). KABOOM!!!! The bad part about 5, it can occur at any moment after #1. Ultimately what mileage that occurs depends on too many variables to know. The engine my classmates and I disassembled had a cracked head that caused issues, but it was probably 500 miles or so from an IMS Kaboom. Any one of us could’ve bought that car, passed a PPI, and driven it 500 or less from head crack to milkshake to Kaboomtown. Maybe it would’ve been many more miles, but that engine was on it’s last gasp.

“Ignorance doesn’t change reality.”

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Figured out how to view entire site on mobile.... not a default setting sadly.

Glad to hear you enjoyed the class and have gained tons of knowledge. I hope to return someday, when life is less hectic...

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Your strong recommendation made it tempting knowing your success. I can see how the class really helps and why you recommended it so strongly.

What I love most about hese classes is how the attendees gather together and share with each other. The bonds we see formed with people in just 4 days is amazing.