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I actually ran Boxster wheels and snows on it, with 205's on the front and 225's in the back.
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If I MUST drive in bad weather conditions, I will use the grand caravan.
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The message is use the right tool for the right work.
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So I decided to drive the 911 to work today, forecast stated 3 in today in Southeast Michigan. I figured my Michelin Pilot SS's would be ok for a drive. This is the first time ever driving a 911 in snow, 1st year in 3 years not having an AWD car. I must say, it was a blast at times, scary as hell at times, and twice I thought I'd be calling my insurance company because I slid into a truck.
DO NOT DRIVE ON SUMMER TIRES!!!!! Especially with a C2. However it was nice, a delicate dance, clutching, applying pressure on the gas and brakes mine is a 99' I don't have any "SAVE ME" features like PSM or TC. It was just me, the mechanical grip and my thoughts.
I will be getting an AWD 911 in the next few years, putting some winter/snow tires on it, and driving the hell out of it. I get two more weeks I hope to drive the 911, but tomorrow I'll be in the Mini S with snow tires.
My advice is 'Don't push your luck' on those summer tires. Mine is a 99 also and I lost mine in the snow. I would have been OK but the road had guard rails which mine clipped as the rear of the car decided it wanted to go first. All this at 35MPH on an 'on ramp'.. I will never drive in snow again in a 911 winter or summer tires.
The 996 c4 is not meant to be used in inclement weather. You'll need to get a 997.2 for the better awd system. This is discussed thoroughly in the 996tt forum. I drove my boxster with pilots in the snow and spun on the first turn.
Its not the primary purpose, but it will help compared to RWD only (albeit only 40% more) and has more affect the higher the wheel speed.
But I agree, no where near as effective as the 997.2 multi clutch setup
Now that is just a silly comment. My C4... and it was lowered was a great snow car WITH snow tires. Never let me down in snow up to 6 or 7". The only better car in the snow is our A4 Quattro with Blizzacks. It is a tank. The message is use the right tool for the right work. Performance tires in the Summer and good Snow tires in the Winter.
I should have written it a little differently. I didn't mean the cars aren't supposed to be driven in the snow but that The awd system in the 996 is not your traditional awd system like in the quattro or subaru. In other words its not going to get you out of low traction icy conditions. There are some videos on youtube depicting this.
Dunno... I always hear about peeps saying they drive in snow. Yet either these guys are really lucky, drive like granny's, or only drive when the roads are dry after it snows, or just never post about a snow related accident as I've only seen 1 accident thread regarding driving in snow so far.
That had to be the thread about a guy named Larry from Chicago. Happened a few years ago. Drove his 996 cutting across lanes in a snow storm.....cuts in front of a snow plow, looses control and gets hit by a Autozone semi truck. Car gets totaled and he gets a big pay check and now drives a Turbo. And the lesson of that story is every once in a while a blind hog stumbles upon an acorn. BTW....I'm still looking for my acorn.
You got it Pete. That guy made out like a bandit considering he spun it eventually to be not his fault. BTW, I'm also looking for my acorn too...
BTW, driving in rural areas or parking lots and having an accident or an off doesn't really count in my books. That's not really "daily driving in the snow" IMO.
You can bet that these braggarts who drive in the snow are driving around empty car parks with nothing to smash into. Wait till they try the roads with the slightest amount of snow on them and no previous tire tracks to follow. Thats when it will happen. But will they admit it like I did. Will they bollux. Anyone can drive in deep snow like 6 and 7 inches. That's easy. Next they will be saying that a 911 drives wonderful on black ice conditions. Speak up you GERMAN drivers. Tell America what the Black Ice conditions are like over there. I know because I lived and drove in Germany for 5 years. They are treacherous on any tire, winter or summer.
OK Hurdi, I promise not to drive my 996 in Germany.
But I will daily drive it through the Kansas City winter this year.
Just like I did all last year.
Two days a week, I commute from zip code 66213 to 64057 - about 30 miles one way.
So, yes, I do take it outside of the parking lots.
No, I haven't crashed it yet.
But, I really would like to get a 996TT, so maybe that's the ticket. At least that strategy apparently worked for somebody else. I'll be sure to post details and pics if I "bollux".
Sorry that KC's and my real world experience didnt measure up to the standards for "real winter driving". It sounds like driving on a frozen lake for a daily commute, while avoiding the indigenous polar bear population might qualify but annoyingly we dont live in the Arctic Circle.
Well which one is it ?
Yeah I'm not supporting driving a C2 with summers, that is a BAD idea. But from what I could feel driving on hockey pucks lol, the C2 would be great with proper tires. A C4/any awd edition would be that much better with snows.
I ran my last C2 through an upstate NY winter, and loved it. I actually ran Boxster wheels and snows on it, with 205's on the front and 225's in the back. Oversteer was nowhere near as bad as I expected, and it was incredibly entertaining to drive. Any off/on ramp became a drifting event, when the snow was flying.
For me it's not the traction that concerns me, it's the other dumb drivers on the road, salt trucks, ice bricks in the middle of the road, clearance issues in heavy snow, etc. My rwd BMW with snow tires is what get's the punishment for those kinds of things.
Slow in, gentle throttle is what gets the 911 home in the snow or rain. Cowboys and no ESP flyers do this.
2 Porsche CRASH Nordschleife Nürburgring 10.08.2014 Touristenfahrten - YouTube
Back when I used to live in Minnesota, my friend had a Boxster, his only car, and he drove the car year round. He said he loved driving it in snow (with snow tires of course) because it was more fun. This guy was from Sweden and was in the Swedish army before moving to the US and man... he could drive in any weather! Wish I had a video of him driving, but this was before the digital cameras.
That video is just more proof to me that the 911 loves to travel **** end first at the first opportunity. Keep driving you snow drivers, in winter or summer tires. the rear engine 911 get to a point of no recovery, very quickly. I hope no one comes back to see me type. "Well I told you so".
Yeah, it's freaky - in that video it's almost as if that 1988 model didn't have its PSM on. Seeing that car that is 3 generations older than a 996 spin out is definitely proof positive! Thanks Kalashnikov for pulling out that super relevant clip to prove Hurdi's point.
Here's some more video to chew on - proof that no vehicle ever made is ever safe to drive in winter. This winter, we should all just stay home folks.
http://icyroadsafety.com/video.shtml
Weight distribution didn't change much from 993 to 996. The chassis dynamic remains the same with engine being in the back. PSM is a great feature and saved me a few times.
Carrying too much speed or lifting off will result in the same spin in the 996 as in 993 and 964 in the video. Go to the empty parking lot when it is raining and try some quick turns with throttle lift and no PSM on.
996 is great in the snow and and wet, but it requires slow and attentive approach. I've driven mine in the bad rain and in the snow, it can do it. But you can't hot dog around.
2002 Carrera Rain Driving - YouTube
It's not so much watching what you are doing, it's what the other crazy drivers are doing that can get you into a real mess. They can smash the hell out of you if you are on winter OR summer tires. People braking and unable to stop from a side road entering your path. Or going out of control coming towards you and sliding onto your side of the road. I say it once again. I will never take my 911 out in the snow ever again. I value my Porsche enough to know it deserves consideration. That's where my van comes into play. If I MUST drive in bad weather conditions, I will use the grand caravan.
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