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From the hotel at which I am staying, it turned out that Porsche of Beachwood was just three blocks away.
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KK, you are on the extreme opposite end of the spectrum to Rowan Atkinson, you know the guy that daily drives his McLaren F1 and the one that had totaled his car recently and repaired it(1+ million dollar repair bill) but yet continues to drive it like it was a Camry?
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We have a trip to San Antonio planned late this month. I would like to take the 996 but I must admit Im a little concerned. That's 300 miles!
Mine has 57K miles on it with many PM items changed. I have a new IMSB and clutch kit ordered and on the way. I should be able to change before our trip if I take some time off work.
Would I be nuts to take this trip without doing the IMSB first? 300 miles may not seem like much to some of you but I rarely drive it more than a few miles from home. I do sometimes take a 15 mile trip to Beaumont for fun.
Should I just get it over with and do the IMSB and clutch for peace of mind or just take the trip? I mean really, how many of you guys are actually still left out there with the original single row bearing?
Eh? I can't decide whether this post was serious or taking the p**s out of PP (Porsche Paranoia)
You should also be concerned around cylinder scoring which the chance would be reduced if you install low temp thermostat :-)
Wondering whether to post on this or not...hmmm...KrazyK, from your other posts clearly you have invested a lot of time, money, hard work and effort in your car, but in the end it is just a car! A fabulous and wonderful marvel of automotive engineering, performance and driving pleasure. Get in that car and take the 300 mile drive...your Porsche will love you for it! I do a trip down to Miami, about the same distance, and every time I do the car just seems to run better for it. Blow out the carbon, get it going, I've never heard that engine sing like it does after a super run of 300 miles at highway speed. What's the point of having a Porsche if you don't drive it and use it for everything it is? I actually use mine as a daily driver and really hate the puttering 7-10 mile trips everyday. The car never seems to get the true exercise it needs. Wear the bug splatters and stone chips from a road trip like a badge of honor. It means you love your car for what it is, and not as some garage queen that you just sit and look at. Your Porsche is a perfect choice for a road trip. Just so you know...99 C2 with 124,000 miles, do all my own repairs/maintenance, car is strong and amazing with no problems. You live once and have many regrets for things you should have done but didn't. In the end, do you want to say "well I kept that car really perfect for the next guy?" or do you want to say "I did it, enjoyed every minute and had a blast in my wonderful car?" Love it, drive it and quit stressing over it. You won't regret it.
Go ahead and drive the 300 miles. When you're done, drive to the east coast and then back again - your car needs to be driven more like 3,000 miles to be appreciated.
Actually, you realize that driving it for short distance is not recommended?! The car never gets up to operating temperature. And most importantly neither does the oil!
I feel bad for anyone that joins the forum and sees all the post by KK and then thinks the car is a dud!
KK is secretly shorting the 996 market!
The real answer is to sell your car, and get a turbo or a gt3!
For you and your car id say why risk it?
This is a huge step beyond driving the car around the block then doing an oil change. How many times would you have to stop to change all the fluids in 300 miles? Oh but thats one way...so 600 miles has gotta add up to about 10 changes minimum.
So ya id say save the expense and dont risk it...leave er in the garage.
Gelefsky's right. Sell it. Sell it now. Rent a Camry for your outing. I don't think I'd even check the oil for a 300 mile trip. I'm planning to go an a trip with my daughter to California this summer. 1250 miles each way. I'll change the oil before I go but only because it's due then. Other than that I have no concerns. Frankly, I'm more worried about it getting hit in a parking lot. This car is significantly more reliable than many I have owned. You've researched yourself into a frenzy, get over it. I'm surprised you even bought the car with the research you say you did before purchase...
LOL, I don't know why I didn't come across this sooner.
Just bring materials and tools in your frunk to do an oil change when you get there for the trip back and you should be all good. Make sure to cut open your filter and inspect it BEFORE heading back.
FWIW, I'm pretty sure I'm on single row bearing and have traveled 800 miles revving the **** out of the car and often downshifting to 3rd and 4th to pass people without any hiccups. I made the mistake though of topping the oil at the end of the trip based on my electronic gauge and not checking the dipstick physically.
Get out from under that shell. Do you not go out on Saturday night fearing some drunk driver will hit you too?
The top ten things to do with a car you are afraid to drive:
10: Cut the roof off and plant flowers
9: Store your old magazine collection in it
8: Become a reviewer for battery maintainers
7: Chart the changes in oil composition in a car that is never started.
6: Check measurements of tire flat spots every week.
5: Make the frunk a wet bar
4: Sit in the drivers seat grip the wheel and make vroom vroom noises.
3: Enjoy telling your plight to web forums.
2: Never have to clean brake dust off the wheels.
and the number one???
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KK-
I completely understand where you're coming from. These cars are meant to be pampered and really aren't built for long travels like this. Shine her up, put her in the garage and take the DD. Save the Porsche for sunny day 5 mile jaunts.
Sincerely,
Ferrari Guy
KK, you are on the extreme opposite end of the spectrum to Rowan Atkinson, you know the guy that daily drives his McLaren F1 and the one that had totaled his car recently and repaired it(1+ million dollar repair bill) but yet continues to drive it like it was a Camry?
Seriously, I think you need to see a shrink for your condition.
I bought my 996 in Dallas a couple of years ago. I flew out and drove it home to Florida. The RMS was weeping, tires were crap, regeneration valve was **** yet I still drove it home with a smile on my face. I loaded up a few bottles of oil, candy bars and diet coke and didn't look back.
If your IMS isn't leaking, what's the problem? If my car had a single row, non leaking bearing I would still track the **** out of it, much less worry about a 300 mile trip. Drive the car!
Just to be safe, attach a remote microphone to the engine case as close as possible to the IMS. Then hook it up to a receiver inside the car. That way you can listen to the shaft spinning the entire trip and you will hear any abnormalities
Haha!! Normally I would have but I didn't know what would happen if I tried to carry on my Flex. The TSA might have gone nuts. I made sure that most of my traveling was at night so nobody could see my filthy Porsche.
Where do i send the $100 check to buy this thing? Isn't this all they are worth to those who are trying to drive prices down?
Drive it, you will hurt it's feeling by not.
This. Get a honda or similar that's more more financially prudent for him.
Given the amount of paranoia and idiocy in o/p's posts, I can only postulate he's financially stretching himself to own it to begin with.
This is the stupidest thread I think I've read on this forum in the last year!!!
FFS - take you big girls blouse off and drive your car!!! This IMSB paranoia is nuts!! What a maybe .5% actual failure rate of all M96 engines - you need to grow a pair!!
KK I think this is the only P Car you should have:
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I drove mine 360 miles just after buying it, having driven in with no ride home had I decided NOT to buy it. I plan to drive it on many road trips with the full family...just working out some details to quiet it down now. It's a car. It's meant to be driven.
The comment about your vagina was spot on. LOL
We really need KK's involvement by now. It would be a lot more fun with him in the mix. KK where are you?
We need to entertain ourselves at the cost of your misery.
Please be a contributing member of our group again.
"Clarkson!! I know it's you, I'm on the bloody throne!"
KK...seriously???
I'd personally like to thank Pete! I've burst out in to laughter so many times today just thinking about that quote!
The reasons most of these cars brake down is because of not getting driven HARD enough. Hell the day i got my car i drove it over 400 miles to get it home and it was one of the best drives......stop saving it for the next guy
Awesome Gator!
Seriously, 300 miles, are you effing kidding me?!? C'mon man, sell this thing, you have no business owning it, even if you have 100MM USD in the bank you are not the right person, this is not the car for you. "Because I only have a single row?" The weekend after I bought my car I took it on a 800 mile road trip, and mine is 4 years older than yours, and has about 25k more miles on it...but it is NOT a garage queen. SMH...
Pete, you just topped your Vagina comment with that pic! I'm crying with laughter, reaching for a Kleenex trying to type! Every time I read a KK post from now on I'm going to think of Don Knotts!
Yep, theres some great humor here and I can take lots of digital abuse with no scars. One of the reasons I like the forum so much.
Anyway, parts should be here today so its time to get to work if I want it ready for road trip.
After taking something from all the experts, JR, Wayne, LNE, Casper, etc. on the IMSB risks, I have done everything short of replacement, to minimize the failure.
Seems a common theory from all is DONT use 0W oil in a warm climate and DO use a high zinc oil, whatever the brand may be.
Some of you think Im too cautious about the trip but it would suck to find my car is one of the 5 to 10% while 300 miles from home.
I will see how the low-budget IMSB / clutch replacement goes and post pics with costs if anyone needs the info.
The OP was meant as a little humor but all good humor has some basis in fact.
and Don Knotts is hilarious.
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Road trips - especially in a new car I've never seen before, scare crap outta me...
Agreed. Is that garnet red by the way?
Hey man, you gotta do what makes YOU feel good and comfortable ultimately.
Not everyone agrees on the forums over many things, but you're probably just our whipping boy since you are one of the more vocal.
With that said, one can argue that a true enthusiast does more than little for their rides and there is no arguing you pamper your car(to the extreme in other eyes).
I think all of us would rather see you use JG DT-40 instead of dino oil like some bonehead NON enthusiasts have been known to do. Also 200 mile OCI's although bad for the environment is better than 15k OCI's.
Just remember, them expensive tires regardless of how many miles driven can dry rot over time so at least drive the car to get your money's worth out of the tires.
Keep us updated and you should document your trip. Lucky for Jake you didn't purchase his Engine Guardian or else he might've been receiving numerous panic calls throughout your trip on his support hotline.
From all that I have gleaned from everything I have read including the proposed class settlement, I think 10% is much too high as well, but I don't think anyone argues that some proportion of cars experience IMS failue.
Could it happen on a 300 mile trip? Sure. It could also happen pulling out of your driveway.
What I don't understand is how posing this question on a forum can help get you any closer to what YOU personally feel comfortable with. Driving ANY car ANY amount of miles has risk. Trying to assess the relative risk for any particular car from what you read in forums is time wasted IMO.
You obviously have researched these cars well. Given that, and your the tone of all your posts, I'm surprised you actually bought one. However, that said, if you are uncomfortable with the risk of driving 300 miles, than don't. It is entirely a decision only you can make.
It sounds like you are doing the IMS replacement, which I personally think is a good thing to do. Sounds like you will be happy putting off any more driving until that is done.
That poll is BS the last 5 failures have no substantiation whatsoever not even a post!! You're telling me that what 40'000 M96 engines have failed absolute rubbish I'd be surprised if the actual IMSB failure rate is much higher than .5%!!
You may have a high post count but you're still a fool!!
fanny, so you disagree with someone (its not my IMSB poll, its Marcs) you start name calling? Are you serious? Relax its just a forum. Maybe post your opinion a little nicer?
There were <200 participants in that poll. Please do not ever base the 6.6% statistic on such a small sample space! 6.6% from that poll covers only the cars in this forum and also only the ones that bothered to vote. There are thousands of happily running cars out there that weren't part of the poll at all.
As 500_19B said, its your personal level of comfort. But seriously, do you ever drive the car the way its meant to be driven?
Not to put words into Marc's mouth, but I think that's the reason he had misgivings about starting that poll in the first place. No reasonable person can conclude that 1 out of every 15 cars sold has failed based on anything besides that poll with an insufficient and biased sample size. It figures that KK takes that number as gospel and will probably now repeat it ad nauseum. Y'all haven't seen anything yet until he scrapes together the cash for a TT or GT3 and sells his C4, the anti-996 posts will then probably become completely out of control, all based on "fact"...
Dude, what if it rains?
I put 600 miles on my car last weekend, and I'm going to put 300 on it this weekend.
KK, half your posts are about being terrified to drive your 996, and the other half are posts about how worthless the 996 is anyway. Seems like you spend a lot of time agonizing about whether your worthless car is going to break. Polish it up, take a picture, get it printed poster-size, and sell it. I'm really not even being facetious - to me it seems like this car causes you a staggering amount of anxiety. I can't imagine the fun you can glean from your 15-minute trips can possibly outweigh the worry - so why don't you just get rid of it - or sell the M96 and move the roller into your living room where you can enjoy it without the worry of it getting wet or the engine failing?
Serious question: How long after replacing the IMSB with the LN IMSB will it be before you start worrying about replacing it? Raby and others suggest that the bearing is a wear item. How often will you plan to replace it?
Thread is so long that my comment is almost unrelated, but here it goes:
I have 150k on car. Engine blew at 108. Where? Going to change tires half a mile from my house. Figure. Other than that, I have driven it around 100k miles in 5 years. Make the math. I use for 200 mile trips almost weekly. Nothing happens. Unlike my ml55 that has a dashboard that lights more than a Christmas tree.
Have done so many 500 milers, 800 milers, I dont care. I just drive it. And is a 99, one of the "bad ones"
Was it IMS or D-chunking or some other thing that will affect this type of engine sometime in its life?
Good that you persisted with the car and not sell it for scrap.
Yeah of course, it was good you didn't decide to throw the towel and buy a 'reliable' sports car.
I think for peace of mind, when the mileage ticks over to 100,000 (miles or kms) all Porsche engines would benefit from thorough parts updates/upgrades.
Well, at that point, I could sell an old car with no engine, and spend more money on a car that is not reliable anyway. A 997? IMS. give it 100k miles. A mercedes? That works but is not a sports car in my book, even if they try. And, my rebuild cost me only 8.5k out of the doorl.
Didn't read all the threads, but you're only driving 300 miles for God's sake. There is so much fear generated by these posts about our Porsches. I'm surprised anyone would buy this car based on the crap reported on this forum, and the fear generated is so wrong. Good luck with you decision KK, your Porsche will probably blow up...
A guy I know had an IMSB fail on his way to town. I think he was 5 miles into his trip.
In that case, a 5 mile trip ended with 100% probability of failure.
Therefore, there is a 6000% chance that your IMSB will fail on your planned 300 mile trip.
No **** - that's how the math works.
I think changing your bearing before the trip is a wise idea KK.
I routinely take my '02 Cab for 600 mile/day (or more) road trips. 7500 miles/year worth of them. Without worry, or an IMSB upgrade, or impending failure detector, or other gizmos.
The only way to guarantee your car will never suffer a mechanical failure is to NEVER start it. Not even once. And where's the fun in that? Just drive and enjoy the heck out of it.
Great thread...a few bits of useful advice surrounded by loads of humor.
Now, bring on the boobies!
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Yeah I thought about it but it is a paint job and a work of "art". My apologies if it gets anyone in trouble. I thought this was sort of pale in comparison to Gator's girls.
Instead of flying from Southern California to Ohio for a convention, I decided a road trip was needed to see what my 996 was like after spending 20+ years in a 911SC (375,000 miles�RIP).
Since the only state I hadn't been in was North Dakota, I decided to return home via the northern route.
It would have been cheaper to fly (air fare vs. nearly 200 gallons of gas), but isn't driving what it's all about? [sorry for the large image sizes]
How did your car not explode on that long of a trip? Inconceivable!
Job well done, that seems like a great trip, good for you for taking it and clipping ND along the way!
Well done, Cringely! Nicely documented. Thank you for sharing!
While my trip starting later this week is not quite as ambitious as yours, I will still rack up over 3,000 miles - driving from Jacksonville, Florida, to Cleveland, Ohio, spend a week with family and cruising the Emerald Necklace, a track day at Nelson Ledges Raceway, a return to Jax via Asheville, NC, to include a day at the Tail-of-the-Dragon, a drive to the tops of Mount Mitchell and Chimney Rock, some of the Blue Ridge Parkway and some of US 64.
My total preparation for this trip included checking the tire pressures yesterday, checking the oil level on the dipstick, and cleaning the windshield.
My 996 has 97,300+ miles. It will cross 100,000 miles at some point in the trip. Hopefully I will get some pictures. No need to change the oil since I did that last month prior to my DE weekend in Savannah, Georgia.
I make this trip almost every year ... in my 996 ... this one since 2004. My first three 996's also made that same trip. My 2nd and 3rd 996's each made a trip from Jax to Watkins Glen for 3-day DE's and then to Cleveland, and then Peoria, IL, before heading to the Tail on the way home. My current 996 has made MANY trips to Peoria/Cleveland/Asheville.
Nice road trips!
Im getting ready to go from Vancouver to Edmonton next month...1200 kms of twisty beauty in the Canadian Rockies. Really looking forward to the drive, especially starting north of Kamloops through Rogers Pass and Kicking Horse Pass. Ive never driven the Icefields Parkway from Lake Louise to Jasper but it looks spectacular.
Before then ill change the oil ...this weekend is part 2 of my detail...putting some protectant on the cab top and conditioning the seats.
As far as exploding, my 911SC's #2 cylinder did let go late last year, which is why I was driving a 996.
Just to be safe, I did take the 996 into Black Forest/San Diego for a pre-trip checkup and oil change. Checking the oil level after the trip, I'm guessing I only burned about 1/4 of a quart (2 bars down).
I also had a radar detector (Beltronics Pro200) and I was surprised how little it went off (except for around Chicago). Only got stopped once, but no ticket. Earlier though, the Van behind me (while I was slowing down in a construction zone & detector blaring) did get nailed by the NM state police.
What was nice about the trip was the ability to put the cruise control on (typically 5 above the posted limit) and admire the countryside as I cruised though the midwest and mountain states. Even off the interstates (mostly South Dakota, Wyoming and Utah), driving was relaxed.
I highly recommend a road trip, especially if you can avoid urban areas (Columbus, Chicago, Minneapolis, Las Vegas, LA, etc.)
Most definitely. Am making the trek from Boulder, CO to Petoskey/Traverse City this summer - am planning to enjoy it thoroughly. An escort 9500xi radar detector helps
After driving my 1999 996 coupe over 950 miles from my home in Jacksonville, FL to Cleveland, OH, plus a few days in very heavy rain and some muddy roads around here, I was looking for a place to get the car cleaned up before I attended my track day at Nelson Ledges Road Course, just outside of Cleveland.
From the hotel at which I am staying, it turned out that Porsche of Beachwood was just three blocks away. So I drove over there and asked the Service Department writers if they had any recommendations for a safe place to get my car washed that would not scratch the wheels or rip off my Taco spoiler with the brushes.
They thought for a minute, scratched their heads, smiled, and told me to drive the car into their service area for a FREE HAND CAR WASH! This despite the fact that I did not buy the car there, nor was I looking for any $ervice! WOW!
And in addition, while the car was being washed, they invited me to take a tour of their race shop and meet Kellen Miller, their chief engine mechanic! Kellen was truly gracious, and after pouring a quart of oil into a 2010 GT3 RS customer DE car, he walked me around the service garage and then into the engine room. In the engine room he just happened to have an M96 engine completely disassembled on the counters and he walked me through each of the main parts so I could actually see and touch all the things I have talked and read about on the 996 Forum for years. WOW!!!!!
THANK YOU, Porsche of Beachwood!!! What an awesome way to treat a complete stranger!!!
I run Nelson Ledges on Friday. I signed up for the "Beginner" run group to take advantage of the classroom and an in-car instructor for the morning sessions, since I have never run here with the Porsche.
Sometime in the next couple days the odo will pass 99,000 miles.
Now on the 8th day of my road trip in my '99 996, from Jacksonville, Florida to Cleveland, Ohio, 950 miles to get here, about 500 miles in the local area this week, and a track day at Nelson Ledges Race Course today where the car crossed 99,000 miles young in Turn 3 (The Oak Tree) during the middle of my 4th run session of the day. This was officially my 59th DE.
Nelson Ledges Race Course is REALLY FUN! I plan to return again soon! You meet the nicest people at DE's! I also had their signature "Big Dallas" cheeseburger for lunch. YUMMMMMmmmmmmm!
UPDATE: Made it home another 950 miles with absolutely no issues for the trip. Total for the trip was just over 2500 miles. Now comes the big clean-up. LOL! Car is now just 9 miles shy of 100K US miles. There will be a separate post and pictures when that happens, either today or tomorrow. The only "maintenance" performed on the trip was to check the tire pressures and oil before I left, and again before my track day. Averaged 27.3 mpg on both highway legs of the trip. Used only Shell 93 or Sunoco 93. No oil added. None needed.
OK, it's June 6th. Did ya do the crazy long drive? Personally, I think that's insane. 300 miles? (482.803 KM for you foreigners). In one trip? Without a rebuild along the way? CRAZY!!!!!
Just couldnt bring myslf to take the 996 without replacing all the parts listed in my DIY. Seems like everytime I looked I found that "one more thing" I had to order and wait for. Thats the downside to a DIY, it never ends.
Sounds like a great trip. You have way too much free time. Wish I could do that.
You probably have way more free time, but you choose to spend your free time ripping your car apart in your living room or posting stupid **** on here....whereas most others choose to spend their free time actually driving their cars.
Ive mapped out my route for next week....vancouver to kamloops on the coquihalla highway where the unofficial speed limit is 140kmh...then travelling north through the rockies to jasper...then a 300 km sprint to edmonton. Total kms that day = 1100 kms! 2200kms in 4 days. Gonna be awesome!
Not to mention the 10% grade for something like 10km. That will be an awesome trip. Have done it many times (but the only Pcar was a 914 and the coke wasn't open then)
Wow is all I can say. Why do you even bother owning that elective money pit then? For someone that bad mouths these cars to death, you sure have a love/hate relationship.
Like I said KK, just when you think you have everything sorted, a young uninsured teen is going to hit you and total your car. That's how Murphy works.
With great trepidation I drove mine from Houston to San Antonio yesterday. Disaster averted! The car appears no worse for wear despite having plodded along in the SUV train on I-10 for a few hours and a little under 200 miles. Vacationing in the hill country next week and if I ever want to get my car on roads with curves and undulations it's gotta get out of Houston somehow...Seemed worth rolling the dice.
I might have an alignment issue though - at certain speeds that shall remain nameless, an annoying vibration from the right rear interior and some back-end boogie going on. The dealership who sold me the car had to replace the rear tires and I bet they half-assed it. Tomorrow I'll get that checked out and we'll see if I have my comeuppance or if KrazyK needs to take a few deep breaths and get his ride on the road.
Incredible, dude. These cars are for driving, not for enshrining or causing paralysis.
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