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YOUR RESEARCHRow m030 vs. HR clubsport coils
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Rear Upper Arms->These were original (1999!), I replaced with the Torque Solutions SS arms.
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Problem solved and the rear suspension feeling around during cornering is rock solid and amazing.
Has anyone installed the H&R clubsport coils? I haven't found any hits by searching. i was also planning to upgrade to row m030 but these coilovers are less than $1700 (less sways as compared to the row 030 kit for $1300 ish).
A halfway point between the two would be the h&r sp coilovers , firmer than mo30 ( which I originally had) but not as teeth chattering as the rss club sports by h&r . The sp coilovers are closest to the factory gt3 coilovers , which were also bilstein cores and h&r springs . Both only adjustable for height .
that said , the mo30s are a good package for the money as they also come with sway bars , if it's a pure street car , row mo30 has a lot to recommend it .
V996 has it right, and here are my early impressions (it is too soon for a full review):
1. Ride Comfort: Very firm (I mean really stiff). I like it for my purposes (>60% track). I like it even on normal roads, but you have to plan your route and avoid roads that are not in decent condition.
2. Track Performance: Not clear, due to several personal and vehicle reasons, I have not been to the track yet this year
. My next track event is hopefully in the September time frame.
3. Handling: For spirited driving on country/twisty roads, the performance is dramatically improved. Previously I had a Vogtland Spring/Bilstein B6 Shock combo (about 20mm lower than stock)
4. Ride Height: Adjustable, of course. I dialed it in to be low, but give tire clearance (about another 10mm lower than my previous combo)
5. Geometry: After the H&R coilovers were installed, my car developed an extreme case of what I would call "Rear Bump Steer". There was no way I could drive it like that the Track or on the Highway. I tried 2 different local shops for alignments and advice. After tons of searching on RL and talking to many other P-car track experts, I decided to replace the following (Rear Toe Links->I had the Tarett Adjustable, I went to the Tarett Motorsports Adjustable. Rear Upper Arms->These were original (1999!), I replaced with the Torque Solutions SS arms. Viola! Problem solved and the rear suspension feeling around during cornering is rock solid and amazing. I can't wait to get to the track!
6. Regrets: During my Rr Bump Steer investigation, I realized that I should have gone with Coilovers w/ adjustable damping (either 1 or 2 way). There are other Coilovers (Feal for one) that offer this and adjustable top mounts for Camber & for less $. This would allow so much more flexibility at the track!
I do not have experience with the ROW M030 suspension, so I cannot compare.
Let us know more specifics and others can help with your questions.
What year and spec is your car?
What % will it be used for the track?
Where do you live? How are the roads?
Thanks for the feedback. This is 2004 C2 with aero. My use is 90% street. I was comfortable with the description of the row m030 for my purpose as a better suspension for spirited driving than my stock suspension except that I have read mixed reports about the degree of lowering the car. Some have said it didn't lower the car at all and on the other side a bit less than an inch lower. That's the main reason I was asking about the height adjustable coils. I'm comfortable not needing damping control. I just want a sportier suspension and slightly lowered.
It sounds like row m030 is the most practical for me.
Ok, understandable. If you are ever in Michigan and want to try out the suspension, just let me know. If you want to PM your e-mail, I can send pictures of the comparison of my car with the Vogtland Lowering Springs vs. the H&R RSS coilovers.
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