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YOUR RESEARCH**HOOVIE'S** LS swap is done! Fool's errand?
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That puts you about the same amount of upside down as replacing the 3.4.
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I have considered this route if an engine change becomes necessary.
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if he had not done the swap, and had replaced the M96 with another, the car would retain some value, and the expenses would have likely been less than $26K.
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Instead of replacing the motor with a suitable M96 or other flat6 variant, Hoovie makes the controversial LS-swap.
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If he put another used 3.4 into it, which would be between 7-12K including labor, he would be into the car for 26K, but it would still only be worth $10-12K, maybe a bit more.
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if he had not done the swap, and had replaced the M96 with another, the car would retain some value, and the expenses would have likely been less than $26K.
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If he put another used 3.4 into it, which would be between 7-12K including labor, he would be into the car for 26K, but it would still only be worth $10-12K, maybe a bit more.
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The cars arent worth that much anyways so if you are doing the swap its for you its not for resale (way better to sell the roller and purchase a different used 911)..
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In the nutshell, Hoovie purchases a used mk1 Porsche 996 coupe with 243K miles, names it Apollo 911, and then somewhat quickly kills it on the track. Instead of replacing the motor with a suitable M96 or other flat6 variant, Hoovie makes the controversial LS-swap.
Hoovie paid $9,500 for the 996 originally. Then, had his "wizard" mechanic install a used Corvette engine in the car. The engine cost $4750.00 and the Renegade conversion kit cost $7322.00. The total cost (labor and materials) to make this conversion cost him roughly $17,043. That means, this Porsche experience cost him somewhere north of $26,543.
Fool's errand, King's Cup-bearer, or the 996 owner's hero?
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Fool's errand. if he had not done the swap, and had replaced the M96 with another, the car would retain some value, and the expenses would have likely been less than $26K.
The renegade swaps have their proponents, but the marketplace for a 996 with a V8 is very, very thin.
I personally like it.. If my M96 ever goes in my C4S I will be doing a LS3 swap. I talked to a shop here in canada and all in I am looking at about 26-30K for everything.. This is with a brand new crate LS3 hot cammed (480HP) engine and all electronics, conversion kits, ect.. I actually stopped by the shop a couple weeks ago and checked out their one completed swap as well as another car that was about to have the ls3 engine lifted in. I saw the electronics and everything working and the shop was very honest about all the issues they encountered as well as things they would change in the future..
To me it just makes sense. Of course there are cheaper rebuild options (which may actually end up costing more money).. The 100hp bump to me is worth the swap. The cars arent worth that much anyways so if you are doing the swap its for you its not for resale (way better to sell the roller and purchase a different used 911)..
And for Hoovie this will make him a bunch of money from his youtube channel. He will get a lot of hits for doing and documenting this swap (way more than doing a standard M96 engine swap). As a youtuber it makes sense to do these kind of things.
Given how much Hoovie raved about the m96-powered version of his car, I think it will be tough for the LS to measure up. All that matters is the owner's level of satisfaction, and it seems like Hoovie really enjoyed the original layout of the car. Maybe the v8 will scratch an itch though?
I have considered this route if an engine change becomes necessary. Don't care for the FrankenPorsche idea, but the HP could be fun. One thing I have never heard from anyone with experience, other than the main conversion guys, is how easy is it to maintain? Oil and Filter, sure easy. What about plugs, coils and other stuff towards the back/sides. I realize these things may not be as "needy" on an LS3 as opposed to the M96. Just wondering. From pics I've seen on an LS 911 it looks crowded especially on the drivers side.
"A fool and his money" comes to mind.
I liked him up to the point that he willfully destroyed the perfect counter to all those 996 naysayers out there.
If he had money shifted, fine. If it died because of a myriad of other reasons, fine. He, however, ignored it's blatant cries for help and just laughed as it died.
He took something special and ruined it.
Fvck him and his click bait bullsh!t.
At 250k on the chassis there isn't value in that car no matter what. Even sticking another M96 in it would have been a horrible financial decision.
Well, all in all, although not his goal, this may be the first time he can come close to getting his money back out of the car.
I think he was at 14K with wheels, stickers, engine lid into the 911. If he tried to sell it as a roller, he'd get 4-7K for it.
If he put another used 3.4 into it, which would be between 7-12K including labor, he would be into the car for 26K, but it would still only be worth $10-12K, maybe a bit more.
He is now into the car for close to $30K, and the swap actually seems like it was done pretty well. I've seen these on eBay come close to $30K. And they are all listed for over $30K. Not sure what they actually end up selling for, BUT in theory he will either lose less money or potentially break even doing the swap.
No way that would be possible by putting in a 3.4.
BTW, I would not have gone this route, but dollar and sense wise, it looks like this option may make the most sense.
The big thing though is that it only applies to someone who has a mechanic willing to work for $30/hr (rate includes stated discount). The same amount of work at every shop I know/trust would have been $8500. That puts you about the same amount of upside down as replacing the 3.4.
This. I'm not clicking to provide him money. This is the internet version of the old "Jackass" series...except they got paid per view instead of per episode.
I'd say crazy like a fox. He bought the thing for slightly over roller money and abused it intentionally to failure. Given the car's history, it would never have been valuable/collectible anyway, therefore negligible resale value.
If he had some mechanical/fabrication skills he could have saved the $5k labor and a good chunk of the Renegade parts as well, and ended up with supercar performance for well under $20k all in + his time.
Does Nick still have his LS swapped 996? He was on a local MI forum back in the day when he was doing the install, pretty sure he's on Rennlist. His username was White Out on Xceed, curious if his is still around.
Yea, he just chimed in yesterday about the LS swap 996. Come to find out, the guy he sold it to ended up killing himself in it. Not because of the car, but because of driving it too fast on a normal road and lost control. Hit a tree no telling how fast. Sad story.
+1 to both ...
... Hoovie's a dope, but he'll get paid. That said, with the amount of metal that his mechanic cut out of the back to shoehorn the LS into place, his next video could be his last.
The swap I saw complete at the shop in calgary actually looked like there was more room to work on the engine then the factory one.. The other crazy thing is that if the engine ever has an issue bam another 8k for a 480hp engine and it will be plug and play.. Not that I would expect to go through multiple engines but its awesome to be able to do it should the need come.
Well damn, that's a crazy turn of events I wasn't expecting. It's a shame, for both losses. I remember Nick's build thread when he first started the project.
Fast(faster) cars are only dangerous if the operator does not have full mental control of his/her right foot...
I have a C4S that is equipped the same as a Turbro except the extra HP. A Turbro is hazardous only due to a possible loose nut behind the steering wheel...
Porsche has always more than compensates for suspension and brakes in their cars out of the box. That is why Porsche stock brakes are fine for beginner DE. You hear of people having to upgrade M3s or S4s for track. Suspension wear on a 15+ year old car, on the other hand, is a different story.
better engine, same weight give or take a few lbs, and same handling dynamics...I think its a great idea. Not having any mechanical skill cost him a lot of money.
Hoovie is annoying as hell those and his videos are painful to watch, but I have no problem with him hacking up a high mile 996 beater.
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