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I ended up with Hawk HP+ pads and swapped the whole front setup from Camry back in the days.
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Now I run the GT3 with bigazz Brembos Type 3s - no problems
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I use Ferodo pads for track and street - minimal fade on track and just a bit of squealing on the street.
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Replace ....probably later this year....watching prices
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She is still rock solid, but time to make a change....probably later this year....watching prices, for now, and ISO, the car with the exact right spec, for me.
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So I would like to get some opinions, especially from those who have first hand experience - what can I expect from stock pads on track?
I will be hitting some track events this year with this NEW to me stock MK1 996 and need to decide if I should upgrade before or just go and have a blast. I've been to track long time ago on a much different FF car, and did an extensive brakes upgrade at that time, but that was an AE92 with stock brakes. I ended up with Hawk HP+ pads and swapped the whole front setup from Camry back in the days.
But this is a Porsche...
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What kind of events? If you're doing autocross or small-course events, factory pads will still meet/exceed your needs.
If you'll be on a large course / track with high-speed straights where you'll be dumping a ton of heat into your brakes to get down to corner speed from 100+ MPH, track pads might not be a bad idea.
Fresh brake fluid is probably the single most important "upgrade" for those events...
I've only done 1 DE, Castrol Raceway in Edmonton, AB, it's just over 2km, long straight is just over 150km/h in my car. About 10 minutes into each session I'd be getting brake fade on stock pads.
So, I might not know what I'm talking about, but that's my experience.
Get a set of track pads for tracking. Put them in a few days before the event, remove them after the event.
Your stock pads will just fade, and you'll wear them out.
I use PFC 08's all around. Just finished 3 days at Auto Club Speedway, braking from about 120+ to about 40.... no fade, no drama. And they don't squeal significantly on the street. Pagid Yellows are good as well, though I find them a bit grabby for the street and a bit more squealy as well. But luckily, our brakes are super easy to change.
A reasonably inexpensive "track" pad is EBC YellowStuff
Shop around online and then call Summit Racing. They will beat your best price by $1. Free fast shipping as well
A set front and rear is between $225 and $260
Definitely flush your brakes and use a good brake fluid, at least ATE type 200. Motul 600 is better, but about twice the $. Always bleed themn before an event and flush yearly if tracking a bit or 2 years if not
I just did 3 days at the Ca Festival of Speed and the YellowStuff worked great at 125+ to 40 slowdowns for corners. No fade at all
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bleeding just removes a small amount from the calipers
flushing replaces it all, just under 1 liter needed
Also, you should do some AX, it is the best place to practice and learn car control
what tires are you thinking of using?
If this is the 1st time on the track with the pcar I would go with what you got. That goes for brakes and tires. Its the best way learn the car. After a few track days get some track pads. But whatever you do bleed your brakes.
+1 on Ate Typ200. I run this fluid for track and street driving with great results. Even at ACS.
http://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin/...er=706232-GOLD
I've used StopTech Street Performance pads at ACS coming off the roval going at top speeds of 145MPH with OK results. I had to push my breaking point earlier because I honestly didn't have enough bite and blew it once. Wish I had more bite with the StopTechs, but plan to test out HAWK or Carbotech pads for the next time out.
http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/...BRKPAD_pg2.htm
Just the tires I have for now, Toyo Proxes R1 or something, rear got a little life on it, so after an event or two, I will change them.
Auto-X, done that long time ago, not my cup of tea.
So, EBC Yellows will probably be my choice - front and back, or just front?
Finished my first 5 - 15 min session of DE at Hallet and the new EDC Red Stuff pads and the Motul600 are holding up very well. The rotors not so much. They have started warbling earlier and earlier in the session. I'm easing into them, holding consistently, and easing out to start my turn but 100 to ~30 is hitting them really hard. I guess it's time for new ones?
This may be one of the funniest things I've done in my life. Did some ride alongs with one of the other groups. The 2015 GT3 was unbelievable to ride in. But it made the track seem really really small. The spec Miata was a blast to ride in also. Those things can really turn.
I've only touched my brakes once in a turn and these cars don't like that very much. Spin, spin both feet in. But at least I stayed on the track. Still got the black flag and a stern lecture. Did I mention how fun this is?
I agree with Pete on this. Stock pads are fine for your first track day. The stock brakes are actually very good. When you progress to the intermediate run group you will definitely want to upgrade to track pads. I use Ferodo pads for track and street - minimal fade on track and just a bit of squealing on the street.
A recent brake fluid flush is very important either way.
Oh yea, make sure you have at least 50% pad remaining and good rubber on your tires - both wear rapidly on the track..
Haha. Yea, don't do that. Don't even lift in a turn - even if you think you are going too fast, just DON'T DO IT! I learned that my first time on the track in the 996. You're right - it sure is fun!
+1...
Oem textar pads are better than yellow stuff in my experience... Advance group and tried yellow stuff figured wth, they lasted one 2 day event and were down to backing plates in the front (back straight is 145mph, so your track may not be as brutal)... Oem pads lasted several DEs and lots of street...
I now use PFC08s and they are top class track pads and when these wear out I'll replace with same... At almost $600 a set it seems high until you blow thru a $300 set of EBC in one DE... PFCs are a bargain!
I just did over 200 miles of track driving with YellowStuff and they barely show any wear. It was at the AutoClub Speedway in the Roval configuration which is 1/2 of the NASCAR Super Speedway and then into the infield for a road course. Many braking spots from 100-120 down to 40. 4th and 5th to 2nd downshifts. No fade.
Any more votes for Yellow stuff?
I thought OEM was Pagid. You say they wore down to plates, is it because of too much front bias? What did you have in the back?
I ran stock pads in the C2 when I DE'ed it. We got rained out in the afternoon so I had no chance to see if fade appeared. Now I run the GT3 with bigazz Brembos Type 3s - no problems
Funny comment about "lift" - at the briefing, the guy goes on about the various turns and such and gives tips on where to brake and add power. Then he stops and asks, "Any 911s here?" Two hands go up. He says to us, "Forget what I just said to the Corvette guys, Don't lift in turns!"
I've tried AX a few times in my C2 and other cars - I know most love it, but it wasn't my thing. DE is - to me - more fun and I get more out of it.
In all high-speed applications, my motto is "More Brakes are More Better"
Hey, looked for you a few times at the Auto Club Speedway event. Saw you driving the track, but never could catch up in the pits.
Anyway, I used Textar pads at the event. Never had any fade at all. No squeal at all either.
This link came from a thread on the racing forum in response to the vibration I was having with my rotors during my first DE. There is a ton of good information including street and track bedding processes and why it is important.
http://www.stoptech.com/technical-su...nd-other-myths
Yup - I was thinking about you, too. But I didn't know your car or how to find you. I had a great, fast time - hope you did, too.
And to keep it on-topic - the PFCs were great! Rain or dry, fast corners or slow - they performed! And I've had fading / loss of braking at that track... these felt....professional.
Well, the Boxste' was certainly nowhere near as fast as the 996, but I had fun anyway. Can't power up quickly on the straights after scrubbing speed for the sharp turns. I need to buy a Boxster S some time. According to the database, set a track record for CC04 class (it's actually an SS01 car, but I like to run in CC04 for a bit more competitiveness). JayG also set a track record for SS02.
You had an excellent time: 1:56!
Excellent!!! My buddy Andrew Raines is also listed as a record setter for that event... we killed it!
I would have loved a side-by-side car pic like in your photo, but I was so far ahead of everyone else that it was not possible.
Was in the yellow group, PCA. Yeah, I enjoyed the opportunity to drive the track in the rain. Actually, it's the first time I've had an opportunity to do that!
While all the advice that you have received is good advice and your on track experience is invaluable, no one has made any mention of getting more air to your brakes and calipers. A simple and inexpensive (relatively, as this is Porsche) assist for anyone doing track days would be to add GT3 brake ducts.
Yes, you can go ever bigger, with either Rs ducts, GT2 ducts or cup car ducts, (its has been so long since I researched and at least one of these are "bigger") as this will direct more air to the brakes and rotors and help to prevent fade and warping. GL
Isn't it amazing how much stick you get in the wet?!?! And the banking gets grippier the higher you go. You can feel the change in the pavement from lane to lane.
OEM is Textar. I wore EBC Yellow Stuff to the backing plates with front and rears installed (rears were maybe 20% remaining so not terrible bias problem in my case) and I do not recommend you buy those for any use. I do recommend PFC 08s for track, as well as several others here...
Cool. What about HAWK HP+ ?
Anyway, I'll be going to the track stock, at least for the first event. I still feel like, this is hell a lot of a car as it is.
Scoops, hmm, very interesting, never knew.........wish I had known before.....I would have snapped up a set in a heartbeat....gonna hold for now as will put my baby up for adoption, soon......
@ Pete
I think it is time for an upgrade. She is still rock solid, but time to make a change....probably later this year....watching prices, for now, and ISO, the car with the exact right spec, for me.
Plate is full, selling my house, got an apartment and building a new house (with a lift)...if it all works, gonna put a dream ride in the garage...............
I just wrapped a DE weekend on on stock OE pads...really couldn't decide what track pads to go with so I bought some new stock pads and took measurements. Here goes:
New Thickness (only pad material, not backing plate):
Front - 12.1 and 12.2 mm
Rear - 10.2 mm
After 2 Track Days (4 sessions per day, 20-25 min per session, also only measuring material not backing plate)
Front - 9.4 mm
Rear - 8.4 mm
Other notable qualifiers - Fluid was fresh ATE Typ 200, Tires were Sumitomo HTR III Z, track was dry and fast. Maximum speed on this track before heavy threshold braking for me is ~122 mph down to about 80 mph. I never experienced fade, but was wanting for a bit more mid-pedal performance. The stock pads bite well, but do soften up predictably when you stand on 'em.
There was no noticeable rotor wear, spider cracks, etc...
@spruden - thanks for a detailed and helpful post, really gives an idea.
@country911 - the baby is sold
haunting for my next one, might be a Boxster S...this time
Yet another vote for going with stock pads for now. Maybe you're faster than me, but stock pads on my 996 were fine for 20 to 25-minute sessions at Summit Point, VIR, etc. with no noticeable fade.
When I switched to R-comps from street tires last year I also switched to PFC-08 pads. I'm very happy with them in terms of performance, and they are not crazy hard on my rotors. I'm still using stock rotors.
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