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Head light issue is similar to the rear bumper filler issue on the early 911dinner vs the post 1974 cars.
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i know there are several places that sell them, do you recommend any over the other, i know the ones from hong kong on ebay are alot cheaper & look identical to any of the others, but it takes about 4 weeks to get them, do you know who or how they do the tint on the headlights, i went to a local window tinting place, but they don't do that.
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i know there are several places that sell them, do you recommend any over the other, i know the ones from hong kong on ebay are alot cheaper & look identical to any of the others, but it takes about 4 weeks to get them, do you know who or how they do the tint on the headlights, i went to a local window tinting place, but they don't do that.
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I understand why some people would want to but I have no interest at all in changing the appearance of the headlights on my car.
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That way (even with a cheap Techart knock off) you're changing the shape with the intent of celebrating it...
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Like no one in design had a say in using boxter headlights on the top of the line of the brand.
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Recommend any over the other, i know the ones
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i know there are several places that sell them, do you recommend any over the other, i know the ones from hong kong on ebay are alot cheaper & look identical to any of the others, but it takes about 4 weeks to get them, do you know who or how they do the tint on the headlights, i went to a local window tinting place, but they don't do that.
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I know you probably have some thoughts of your own on the way people like me mod their lights (by using masks) but something I learned long ago is if you 're trying to change something don't try to make it disappear (shape of headlight) instead enhance it!
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So I live in the ritziest part of Boston - which itself is a fairly ritzy city - where Porsche's, BMW's, Mercs, Ferraris are common - I would in fact say that on my street German cars outnumber Japanese or Domestics 10 to 1.
And I will tell you - I get multiple thumbs ups and compliments on my 996 with those (GASP!) FACTORY HEADLIGHTS. NO ONE has ever come to me and said "Yucky lights".
When I drive my car grinning ear to ear - I NEVER ONCE thought "Argh I love this drive but if only for the headlights".
Your feelings about this may vary, but I for one am surprised at how insecure some people have become about of all things - the headlights on a fine automobile such as this - and obsess about all sorts of ways to disguise it into a psuedo 997 - which doesn't fool any Porsche enthusiast - it just screams "I'm ashamed of my car and I'm trying to fake it".
I know I will get flamed for this,
but it is not far off from the insecure guy in the Honda putting a BMW badge on his car. (I am not comparing a 996 to a Honda - just illustrating the extent insecurity can take you)
Ha ha on the "BMW"
I remember the M3 back in the 80's, stuck in traffic on a "parkway" on a nice summer day in NYC with the windows down, and the guys next to me questioning if it's a real M3. Did they want me to open the hood and show the engine? How little I knew.
Oh, as far as the headlights go, I like mine.
I like my 996 lights and Im proud to drive one....I think those who try and make thier headlights look like 997 lights are generally driving the car for the badge on the hood and not the love of the experience. Im in this to go fast and put some rubber on the road...not to look cool.(i think most of us here fit into the driving experience is first and foremost)
Now as for the 997 lights they are more similiar to the 911 which I think are a bit appealing and kinda of an ode to the older 911s.
I drive for a living....a minimum of 250 miles a day...5-7 days a week. It is an absolute pleasure to drive the 996, even though the saab is nice.
When Im at work its a collection of domestic cars....full of brake fade and heatsoak...
+1. If you are on the fence with the MK1 lights, the aero is the answer. Frankly I don't think I would have bought a stock 996 because the proportions are a little bit off.
Those lights originally came from a GT1 and that had a lot of other sheet metal curves around which accentuate the shape of the lights. Without the extra curves, it sticks out and looks out of place IMHO.
Not really. Its a matter of taste and what works for you. I would not aero a 993 or 997 because the lines are just right but will aero a 996 because it a better package. All will need a suspension drop.
I'm a big fan of the MKI aero. I love the lines on that car. I've seen photos of the C4S aero, and I'm just not sure about that one. I think I'm going to leave mine as is... I like the C4S lines. I like the headlights on both. Sometimes I think the MKI headlights integrate into the bumper better than the MKII.
Either way, I think they are good. I don't think anybody worries too much about it, other than people on various Porsche message boards.
^What he said +1
Love the MkI aero but wouldn't put the MkII kit on my car.
I hate.... and I mean hate, the headlight covers for the 996, techart or not, they look terrible. As other have said, I am all about the driving experience.
I have the 911 evolution picture as the background on my desktop. I love the changes that have taken place over the years.
The headlights only seem to be an issue for those who don't own the car and/or are Porsche snobs.
Park a 996 and 997 next to each other and ask a random person on the street the difference between the two cars and they probably won't even see the lights. They'll tell you they're the same car...
Bruce are you unaware of the the great 996 headlight conspiracy? Some say they 996 lights caused the BP oil spill, yet others claim they are responsible for the financial meltdown.
It's been said that the 996 lights sold steroids to baseball players and drugs to school kids.
Yet, I remain skeptical...
I'm ashamed and insecure but not about my 996. It's as simple as I just think round headlights look better. I'm not trying to be a 993 or 997 poser (or every other generation as they all have round lights). I love the 996 and thanks in large part to the factory headlights it's a great bargain; because, we know the depressed values have nothing to do with the ims/rms issues. They're fabricated scare tactics right?
I notice the headlight cover caucus never makes fun of those who stay with the fried eggs. Who's insecure? So I say to each his own and make it look like you want it to look or leave it alone.
I understand why some people would want to but I have no interest at all in changing the appearance of the headlights on my car. It's just gorgeous the way it is.
The drug analogy is kinda funny though. Why spend money to alter your perception of reality when everyone else only sees exactly whats on the surface of it.
I guess that I'm already in my happy place, thank you very much.
Brian
i goof around but I wont knock somebody for doing mods that they like, it's their car, mod and enjoy! (within good taste please
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I just think the headlights are fine and I am a pretty hardcore Porsche guy!
Liked them MkI lights when I had my BoxsterS and I like the MkII lights on my car.
I don't think 996 lights make it any less Porsche.
But thats my opinion... for whatever it's not worth
Wow, seems to be a popular topic
I can understand some peoples desire for the round headlights, but not a big deal for me... Don't dwell on the past, evolve and move on. Heritage is good, but like others have mentioned i don't think headlights maketh the car. I wonder what they could have come up with if the designers were allowed? Fried egg or not, it most defiantly still looks like a Porsche.
As long as you end up with a big
who really cares?
Now i think i should buckle in for a long one.
just my 2c
Can anyone confirm please, that Lil' Wayne was seen wearing a MKII light around his neck, dangling from a thick gold chain while he was getting ready to rehearse for the MTV video/music awards...... or Did Kanye step in, take the mike away and say that the Mk I was really the most deserved.........
Wish I had a beer to go along with this discussion...............
I remember controversy when these headlights first came out. But then I remember Porsche earning some engineering and design awards for these 'puppies'........ When we decided to get our next Porsche, the 996 was easily the best we could afford and you know what? I never, not once looked at the headlights......but oh that rear..................
In 1999 I bought a new Guards Red 996 and I was one of the first people to post on this board. There is some FAQ thing that has my name in it.
The 996 911 a is unique fast light agile car, its a true drivers car. The headlight look right for the car. I love them and I like it that they are the old style last generation of the 911. Everywhere I go someone makes a comment about my car, it looks brand new and I love the reaction when I say its 11 years old. I missed the red one from the day I sold it and was determined to find another one, this year I did.
Love it that many guys out there have a very similar car to mine but paid tens of thousands more than I did. Love not having a car payment. Love that license plates only cost $110 a year. Love that Geico only charges me $266 every 6 months for full coverage everything. Love the extended EFG warranty, and I LOVE THE 996 HEADLIGHTS THAT GO WITH ALL OF THIS.
For all of you young guys that are worried what people think DONT. They wish they had YOUR CAR.
Hahaha, that Honda is hilarious... But I gotta say that there's nothing worse than the guy's with the Chrysler 300s that put the Bentley logo on it & actually give you this stare like they're important or something. I think they actually make themselves believe it's a Bentley, hahaha.
I like the early headlights....picture the front fenders as the biceps and the headlights as the forearms, the car is flexing.....IDK to me it's a powerful look
Dude nice to see you're still crazy
Hahahahaaaaa
Yup still crazy
Thanks for the laughs guys!
Uuuuuhhm erhhhh shhhhheeeez....
I'll see your C4S aero and raise you one!!!
Love the lights and the rest of the car. I get compliments every time I take the car out of the garage, but the important part is that I have fun in an amazing machine.
I think the aerokit and the headlights are totally integrated. In my mind it is a classic look. Just beautiful. Leonardo DiVinci could not have done better.
i know there are several places that sell them, do you recommend any over the other, i know the ones from hong kong on ebay are alot cheaper & look identical to any of the others, but it takes about 4 weeks to get them, do you know who or how they do the tint on the headlights, i went to a local window tinting place, but they don't do that. i ordered a set of the tinted covers on ebay, but they didn't fit snug enough for me to justify on my car, the reason i'm doing ll this is i hav one headlight i jus can't get it clear enough without being noticeable enough, anybody any ideas, if i could get it clear enough i would be fine with it!
yep going good!
it's sort of amazing they sewed it back on and 3 months later 90% of my finger's back, nerves and all...
I had one set of pain killers that made me hallucinate something fierce the other knocked me out for 24 hrs at a time, needles to say which one I used
Look, a flock of naked girls with wings in purple sky, got to fly!
Cheers!
Sid.
HID Bi-xenon projector headlights for my '88 Carrera special edition diamond blue.
H4 base with solenoid operated apperture/shade for SHARP upper beam cutoff in low beam position.
'65-67 "buckets" and now for the trim rings.
Actually, 996 headlights are responsible for Obama being elected. Hopefully the upcoming 998 will bring America to its senses and he will only be in for one term.
hated them when I bought the car in 2000. fixed them. love the fix, still hate tthe original look.
They look cheesy to me. Like no one in design had a say in using boxter headlights on the top of the line of the brand.
To each his own........ you spend your money, you go with what you like, screw everyone else.
Hey RC51,
Listen I think you've got a beautiful ride but... since the the original poster is looking for opinions which way to go and why or why not... here's my take on the option on going with your mod.
To me your headlights look like you painted them to look like 997 ones, which doesn't make it look more expensive or better, it sort of looks like a cheap mod to an expensive car.
I know you probably have some thoughts of your own on the way people like me mod their lights (by using masks) but something I learned long ago is if you 're trying to change something don't try to make it disappear (shape of headlight) instead enhance it!
That way (even with a cheap Techart knock off) you're changing the shape with the intent of celebrating it... instead of trying to camouflage it and make it look like something it will never be.
This will only make people think, "this guy really wanted a 997 but got stuck with this 996".
To the OP check out the difference between RC51 and one like mine and judge for yourself what you like best, maybe it's non of the above...
Cheers,
Sid.
Thanks for the input but by the looks of it, you are coloring the kettle black. Expensive Techart eyelids (ugly), LED tail lights (not celebrating ****), front wannbe 997 bumper (its looks okay) dope 997 wheels (only props on your car).
By the way, if I wanted a 997 I would of bought one. Spending $30K on a $40K car is not by any means, being stuck with a 996.
Since you are so concerned about what other people think, lets create a poll and see who prefer's your ride versus mine.
Okay, im sorry in advance but you were the closest person I could lash out on. heheh.
No please tell me what you really think!
No worries man let it all out
, that's what this forum is for sharing opinions, ideas and tech solutions (not to mention venting of course).
It all comes from the same place, the passion we have for our rides.
Anyone who doesn't defend his ride is a *****
... (hey hang on a second... I'm not defending mine
).
Like I said "you probably have some thoughts of your own on my headlight mods" (I said headlights, not whole damn car!!!)
Different folks different strokes.
Re "your's versus mine" dude my ride has got so much attitude she KNOWS she's sexy!
Cheers,
Sid.
Hey OmenRC51, how are you headlights holding up? I like the look and called Accutint a little while ago but now, I think I will follow through with getting your style tint. Do rock chips nick away at it and expose the headlight underneath? My concern will be my headlight washers. I read somewhere that your headlights never had any so you didn't have that to worry about when covering.
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