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YOUR RESEARCHTest ride in 2017 991 targa
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The dearth of speed, the flaccid, plaintive note of the engine, and the unforgivably comic presence of a superfluous seventh gear conspire to fill me with a profound, expansive sadness...I am left contemplating a sobering reality: that the engine note is an irrepressible metaphor for the absence of turgidity that permeates so many facets of my existence.
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- Never needed spare parts and could repair itself.
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However the 991 center console is great for changing a baby's diapers.
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I wonder if the new turbo/4 changes the feel of the power delivery that much...?
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The dearth of speed, the flaccid, plaintive note of the engine, and the unforgivably comic presence of a superfluous seventh gear conspire to fill me with a profound, expansive sadness...I am left contemplating a sobering reality: that the engine note is an irrepressible metaphor for the absence of turgidity that permeates so many facets of my existence.
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I can understand wanting the simplicity and ease of use like automatic convertible top owners, but the manual convertible tops from 30+ years ago are much more reliable, but I guess they don't have the "wow factor" when opening in front of your friends.
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Whether the individual has a 6.2 aero (whoopdedoo) or not makes no difference.
Well, first I was amazed at how easy it was for me to get in the back seat. The potential buyer was driving and the salesman was too round to make it in the back.
The car was a very rare manual that was ordered by a customer who then didn't have the credit to complete the purchase. It was not heavily optioned but was still very very nice...for a couch.
My friend was considering the car because he has one more new Porsche in his bucket list before retiring and no longer being able to afford throwing around that kind of money.
Sitting in the back, the motor sounded weak...flacid...compared to a normally aspirated 911 engine. And while my friend didn't bury his foot in it, he did give it a chance to go...and it just didn't feel very exciting...or sound very exciting. As for seven speeds, they should have left the last gear in the glove box...it has nothing to offer the driver.
True I didn't get a change to drive the 2017 targe...but from just riding in it, I really had no interest in getting behind the wheel. It is so big they should have made the two doors smaller, and then added two more doors for the back seat...I think it would a great 4 door sedan...much nice than a Panamera.
Comparing this 991 to other Porsches I have driven, I was more impressed with the 997 S models...with manual, tip and PDK...all had a more brutally sensual feel. As did my '03 996 coupe.
Driving home in my 2000 tip cab, it too has a more satisfying feeling.
As for the targa roof itself...just more unnecessary complications that will probably drive the second owner into bankruptcy...while making a fortune for the Porsche Dealer service departments.
sounds like the best porsche may actually be the 996 after all... certainly the most fun water cooled car to own. I personally had a test drive on a 997.1 at the dealer once and I thought the drive was inferior to the 996... aside the PDF which shifting is quite impressively quick.
Each generation is bigger than the last ... Safety first I guess.
I fully agree with you. While we love to watch the mechanics of the new Targa top open, I'm afraid that these new luxuries are going to come back and bite us in a few years when all those little motors and gears tend to lock up and Porsche smiles and says it's not covered under the warranty.
Why do we need an automatic targa anyway? Answer - laziness
We've become a lazy generation of car owners. I mean, what's the big deal with unlocking and removing the light weight canvas targa tops of previous generations of cars? I can understand wanting the simplicity and ease of use like automatic convertible top owners, but the manual convertible tops from 30+ years ago are much more reliable, but I guess they don't have the "wow factor" when opening in front of your friends.
It's all Porsche eye candy with a hefty $$ to come with it.
wow, you drove a unicorn 997.1 with a PDF transmission. Thats impressive considering nobody knows what the hell a PDF transmission is (did you mean PDK? that wasn't offered in the 7.1).
But I'll just take your word that the "drive was inferior."
Wow -- thank goodness you let us know that you'll take his word for it. Otherwise, the rest of us would have been beside ourselves wondering of your impression.
There was literally nothing about his post that was accurate. Whether the individual has a 6.2 aero (whoopdedoo) or not makes no difference.
So basically, he drove a tiptronic 997.1 and determined that its inferior somehow.
Nah. They are too enamored with their deviated stitching options to think about visiting a non-gated community like ours.
Instead we get the (visualize purple faced kid) "It is NOT a re-skinned 996!!!
" 997.1 owners that feel they have something to prove by being pedantic about an obvious auto-correct error and how the rest of the world can't tell a 997.1 from a 997.2 since maybe 3 parts changed...
Girlfriend has a 991S/PDK - and yes, it is bigger and heavier (in a comfortable kind of way - I can see driving that every day to work) - but it's also brutally fast. I wonder if the new turbo/4 changes the feel of the power delivery that much...?
I find that a well-worn Hanes Beefy-T provides just the right balance of absorbency (wriggling into that back seat is sweaty work for Your Favorite Septuagenarian). It protects from any bodily fluids my irreplaceable decades-old Dior houndstooth check jacket once worn by Richard Dawson of Family Feud fame (which I fortuned upon while poppin' tags at my neighborhood Bonne Volont�*).
A pair of white leather driving moccasins provides just the right amount of support; my superannuated frame creaks gingerly whilst I swing 'round the back side of the passenger seat. The classic-cut Ferragamo silk slacks - once a vivid purple but since mellowed to a dusky aubergine - help me slide over the supple leather hide. I find myself gazing wistfully out of the expansive targa top.
Regrettably, my mood sours as my non-alacritous companion cautiously accelerates. The dearth of speed, the flaccid, plaintive note of the engine, and the unforgivably comic presence of a superfluous seventh gear conspire to fill me with a profound, expansive sadness...I am left contemplating a sobering reality: that the engine note is an irrepressible metaphor for the absence of turgidity that permeates so many facets of my existence.
*Commonly referred to as "Goodwill" by the unwashed masses
Why be so modest? ^^
I wish I had my horse back! What a vehicle it was!
- Self driving, could drive me home from the pub, and could drive itself to the feeding range.
- Never needed gas. 100% green. It founds its own fuel supply, and it released it back to earth in the form of fertilizer.
-Never needed cleaning, as it cleaned itself.
- Never needed spare parts and could repair itself. If something was off, couple of days in the stable would usually make it new again.
- In a dire emergency, it could be used as food and keep me alive for weeks.
- AWD traction and extreme maneuverability on all surfaces.
- Convertible top with excellent visibility.
I can't edit my previous post so I have to mea-culpa ...
I was talking about the 997.2 PDK ...
and not the 997.1 PDF... but all you guys figured it out
yeah, you know, only the engine, transmission, the majority of the center stack, the front bumper, rear bumper, and taillights.
Nothing major really.
Oh, and I guess porsche is in the habit of making newer cars that are inferior to old ones, right? Except 993 to 996, that hasn't happened.
Anyone with any sense whatsoever knows that the 991 is the last real Porsche ever made. It offers a truly visceral driving experience. It will skyrocket in value. The incoming 992 will be too big, too heavy, too automated, and too luxurious. It will be marketed to fat, middle-aged rich guys who couldn't care less about owning a real sports car.
This is a funny thread! I recently drove a Caman S (2.5 liter turbo 350 hp 6spd manual trans) and a 911 carrera s (3.0 liter turbo 420hp 6spd manual) at The Porsche Driving Experience in Atlanta. Granted neither of them were Targa's (i.e. a few hundred pound heavier than the cars I drove) but my instructor was a BIG dude (probably 6'4 240lbs or so...) so probably close to equal as far as weight goes. I can say unequivocally, that both cars were very fast and sounded amazing! Nothing "flaccid" about them at all. This goes for the handling as well (the experience is highly geared toward handling). The big plus in my book is that they took a serious flogging and didn't break a sweat - I wouldn't think about doing the stuff I did (with them) with my 996 (at or close to redline on practically every shift). When the instructor drove a few laps at the end of the session it was truly eye opening as far as the abilities of the car(s) is concerned. I was blown away! While I love my 996 ('99 C4) and am also blown away by it's abilities, I won't delude my self into thinking it's "better" than the newer cars in any way - yes I like that it's a little smaller (I'm not a fan of the ever expanding "sports car"...) and it handles great and it's certainly fast enough for my needs... Superior to the new cars? Nah...
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