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And to clarify, it was the first time I personally changed the oil on this car(always have the shop do it) but do it on other vehicles which are easier to get under all the time.
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After a couple of hours, I remove the filter (so it's not hot) keeping the oil in it so I can dump into a clear jar to check for anything (using a flashlight for reflections), then inspect inside of filter housing and cleaning, pull filter and open it up inspecting every pleat, both sides.
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And to clarify, it was the first time I personally changed the oil on this car(always have the shop do it) but do it on other vehicles which are easier to get under all the time.
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After about 4 hours, the oil has stopped dripping so I use a bluetooth endoscope that is matched to my phone and check through the drain hole for anything at bottom of pan or on pick-up screen (they make attachments for the endoscope that allow you to look 90 deg.) After I am satisfied with my work, I install new filter and add oil into filter housing before reinstalling torquing it to 19 ft lbs.
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Got a new plug(OEM instead of the magnetic one this time) from my Indy this morning, used a lot less torque to tighten up the plug this time, filled her up with another batch of new oil and everything is good.
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After a couple of hours, I remove the filter (so it's not hot) keeping the oil in it so I can dump into a clear jar to check for anything (using a flashlight for reflections), then inspect inside of filter housing and cleaning, pull filter and open it up inspecting every pleat, both sides.
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After a couple of hours, I remove the filter (so it's not hot) keeping the oil in it so I can dump into a clear jar to check for anything (using a flashlight for reflections), then inspect inside of filter housing and cleaning, pull filter and open it up inspecting every pleat, both sides.
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Then up on the ramps, jacking front end onto wood blocks to level (don;t like jack stands) and start the draining checking the magnetic plug for anything.
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After about 4 hours, the oil has stopped dripping so I use a bluetooth endoscope that is matched to my phone and check through the drain hole for anything at bottom of pan or on pick-up screen (they make attachments for the endoscope that allow you to look 90 deg.) After I am satisfied with my work, I install new filter and add oil into filter housing before reinstalling torquing it to 19 ft lbs.
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After a couple of hours, I remove the filter (so it's not hot) keeping the oil in it so I can dump into a clear jar to check for anything (using a flashlight for reflections), then inspect inside of filter housing and cleaning, pull filter and open it up inspecting every pleat, both sides.
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After a couple of hours, I remove the filter (so it's not hot) keeping the oil in it so I can dump into a clear jar to check for anything (using a flashlight for reflections), then inspect inside of filter housing and cleaning, pull filter and open it up inspecting every pleat, both sides.
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After a couple of hours, I remove the filter (so it's not hot) keeping the oil in it so I can dump into a clear jar to check for anything (using a flashlight for reflections), then inspect inside of filter housing and cleaning, pull filter and open it up inspecting every pleat, both sides.
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first time i personally changed the oil
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And to clarify, it was the first time I personally changed the oil on this car(always have the shop do it) but do it on other vehicles which are easier to get under all the time.
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So after owning the car for 13 years I finally decided to change the oil myself on a nice sunny warm Sunday afternoon. Other than a few extra drips and splashes from the old oil draining, everything went fine, or so I thought. New filter element, O Ring, 9 quarts of oil, etc... While re tightening the magnetic drain plug I snugged it up and heard a slight pop. Didn't think much of it, but when I put the car away I saw a drip. I thought it might be the plug wasn't tight enough so I reached under the car, inserted the wrench, gave it a little bit of effort and the plug basically came apart, and oil started leaking. Got the oil change pan under the car to capture all the oil which will leak out overnite. Now I'm stuck, need to wait for the local Indy or Dealer to open tomorrow morning and hope they have a new plug, buy 9 more quarts of oil and try it without over tightening the plug. I can't believe these things are so flimsy. Has anyone else had this problem ? It really didn't seem like I gave it much effort when I tightened it.
18-19ft lbs of torque isn't much at all, would be very easy to over do it without a torque wrench. Hopefully all you need is a new drain plug, washer, and oil.
Thirteen years is a long time to go between oil changes. Seriously though, did you use a new crush washer on the drain plug when you reinstalled it? Hopefully the pan isn't stripped.
One thing I learned from rebuilding my engine and getting my roller back on the road is that all torques specified in aluminum threads are much less than what I would a have expected. Sometimes I wonder why vibration doesn’t cause the engine to disassemble itself!
Hope your repair is a simple one.
Astro: Dang! Hope it is an easy fix for you. 19#'s is a very light pull on a ratchet or breaker bar. Every time I change mine I am shocked how early the torque wrench clicks. First time I thought my torque wrench failed and tried my other one just to confirm, nope first one was right! Get a reliable torque wrench and treat it nicely.
Drain plugs are made to be flimsy so they stripe instead of your oil pan or in case of a true dry sump engine (not a 996 Carrera), your aluminum engine block.
Plugs barely need to be tighten to be effective. Use a short wrench to avoid over torquing.
this isn’t so bad. Plugs are easy to get and your oil just flushed the engine.
How old was the magnetic drain plug? The original version wasn't as robust as the newer ones. I bought an OEM drain plug to keep as a spare just in case. Cheap insurance.
I had the exact same thing happen to me. It was an earlier version of the LN Engineering magnetic drain plug. They sent me a replacement and it is much more robust. No more problems.
Got a new plug(OEM instead of the magnetic one this time) from my Indy this morning, used a lot less torque to tighten up the plug this time, filled her up with another batch of new oil and everything is good. BTW I cut open my used oil filter and it was clean as a whistle, no metallic particles. Original IMS still installed, although in fairness mine is an early 98 build so it has the dual row which is less prone to failure.
Very important to have the correct torque on your new plug! It can vibrate out and off while driving. I had this happen to a brand new delivery truck that we bought and on it's first oil change the mechanics gopher never torqued to spec and we lost the motor 10 miles later.
I used the washer they provided and it looks identical to the one that came off so I don�t think that should be a problem. As Wyovino mentioned, the original LN version wasn�t as robust and the plug itself ripped apart(plug head vs body). I will get a torque wrench shortly as well.
We went away from the 10mm hex as people were over-torquing them. That combined with the fact that they were never designed to last a lifetime, they do occasionally break. That said, they have problems so far and few between that we gladly warranty them if we are asked politely about it.
Yup. That's the original magnetic drain plug we made with the 10mm hex. I'd venture to say that plug might have been 8-10 years old by now, going by revisions in the design.
There have been several revisions over the years.
The first change was to make the magnet flush on the face so it would be easier to clean.
Then we went back to an 8mm hex as people were able to put too much leverage on the 10mm hex.
The last change added compatibility for the the 9A1 engine, with the tapered end to provide clearance for the oil pan baffle in the 9A1.
He decided to do the oilchange for the first time by HIMSELF after 13 years! Bet it wasn't His first oil change in 13 years!
but if You have a better analnysis of the given information please let us know!
It's no biggie other than the hassle factor, and of course wasted money on oil. And to clarify, it was the first time I personally changed the oil on this car(always have the shop do it) but do it on other vehicles which are easier to get under all the time.
I find changing my oil to be a break in my busy life, I spend an entire afternoon with a beer or two. First I go for a 30 minute spirited drive to heat everything up and burn out any gas that may of seeped into it (I always collect a sample for an analysis). Then up on the ramps, jacking front end onto wood blocks to level (don;t like jack stands) and start the draining checking the magnetic plug for anything. After a couple of hours, I remove the filter (so it's not hot) keeping the oil in it so I can dump into a clear jar to check for anything (using a flashlight for reflections), then inspect inside of filter housing and cleaning, pull filter and open it up inspecting every pleat, both sides. After about 4 hours, the oil has stopped dripping so I use a bluetooth endoscope that is matched to my phone and check through the drain hole for anything at bottom of pan or on pick-up screen (they make attachments for the endoscope that allow you to look 90 deg.) After I am satisfied with my work, I install new filter and add oil into filter housing before reinstalling torquing it to 19 ft lbs. Then the plug again to 19 ft lbs, fill with DT40 and check for leaks. If no leaks (and I have never had one) I DO NOT re-torque the filter or plug since this is when you can over tighten. I know it sounds like I'm going a bit overboard but it is rewording when the analysis comes back clean and I have done all I can for the blood transfusion of the engine.
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