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YOUR RESEARCHJust drove a 2015 S4 and then my 996 back to back
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A friend of mine let me drive his S4 (6 speed) this afternoon. Very slick car, and the interior fit and finish of Audis always leaves me a bit envious. Overall it seemed very light and quick.
Getting back into my 996, I was expecting things to feel a bit sloppy by comparison but was surprised to find that wasn't the case. The clutch feel, pedal travel, pedal spacing, shifter feel and steering all felt tighter and much more connected than in the Audi.
The S4 is pretty awesome, but if anything it just gave me an even greater appreciation for how well the 996 is put together.
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Charlie
Lots of threads like this lately.
I've been driving some sweet machinery lately and going back to the 996. Can't say I align with your feelings. After I took out the Ferrari f430 for 20 minutes at the race track, my car felt slow and had major body roll. You don't want to know how it felt after I got back in after 4 laps in the Audi R8.
the 911 is no longer my dream car, we'll put it that way.
i've owned a 2002 s4 avant (station wagon) since new. when going from the 993 (past) or 964 (current) to the s4 i always "oversteer" the steering wheel because it feels so detatched from what's happening on the road, and i feel like i'm shoving the clutch pedal through the floor.
shifter feels like a rifle bolt though, and the acceleration is neck snapping.
variety is good.
haha. I wish I owned them. I just rent them when they show up at the track. Renting the dream, lmao
....and it's usually a bummer hoping back in my ride. I really do wish I could walk away being more impressed with my car but that isn't the case. Those cars are retarded at the track though. Ferrari is so brutal when it shifts, it's amazing!
I'm tring to figure out a way to get some laps in at the Hamburger Ring as part of a euro trip but haven't quite figgered it out yet.
Sounds like a blast to manhandle an F430.. saw a 488 last week and was in awe at how pretty they are. Ferrari / Lamborghini / McLaren / Pagani all leave me speechless in person.
Granted I've only driven a lowly F360 Spyder, but I remember thinking it was cramped and not especially fun - but I only lapped it a few times on a ~1mi autocross course.
I certainly didn't drive away feeling like the 996 was a consolation prize - but I also fell in love with my 996 the first time I saw a picture of it online, so my ability to be objective about the car is clearly suspect.
My daily driver is a 2015 S4.
996 and the S4 are completly different animals, but sorta a similar species if that makes any sense.
Both are fast, both capable, both "seat 4" and both will have fellow gear heads chat you up at the grocery store. S4 is a beast from stop lights and interstate passing. Supercharger and awd combined there is usable power on tap all the time.
996 is more engaging and fun of a car, I feel have to work for the reward in the 996. 996 is also nimble and razor sharp compared to the S4.
Its a roll of of the dice which car I drive. I really only slate the S4 as my daily as it draws nearly no ire from my customers. While the 996 will have a lot of my customers comment "I am overcharging with a car like that"
Ironic part is those comments almost always come from someone who just stepped out of a GMC Yukon with a 70K sticker. Double ironic that the S4 I bought new, over twice as much as I paid for my twelve year old 996.
I will say this much, the B8 and B8.5 S4 has been the most reliable car I have ever owned. I had a 2011 I put nearly 80k miles on. Only one warranty issue, that was drivers door proximity senseor went bad. The 2015 was free of any warranty issues at 35k miles till my mother broke the sun visor not fully understanding its range of motion. Also
S4 with sport diff can do some incrediable things in the snow, really really impressive. I came from Audi 90's and a 1994 UrS4 with locking rear diff. I was a skeptic off the sport diff and it's magic, first major snow I was sold and had huge grin ear to ear.
It was a blast. I haven't walked away in awe from driving a car in a while. Not that I'm a great driver or anything but that thing just wanted to be pushed more and more.
posted this before but here's 5 minutes of me driving the thing
https://youtu.be/4W5qBIB83eY
My .02:
Audi S4 - great cruiser, OK track car. I can't see out of this thing. No matter how I adjust my seat, the front window is like a slit and the a-pillars are always just in the right place to not see the apex. In my town there is an S4 on every street corner. Nobody can tell the difference between an S4 and an A4 without looking hard at it.
Nobody looks at your Porsche and says: You know, you could have bought an Audi.
Any car that makes a grown man scream like a 12 yo girl at a Justin Beevis concert must be some fun. Used prices are still quite high for one of those. Looks like fun! Did you have an employee co-pilot?
The average price of a used 12 years old Ferrari F430 is $120,000. The average price of a used 12 years old Porsche 996 is $30,000 if it's in mint condition.
So yea, I would expect the Ferrari to be a whole lot better. However if I take my $30,000 Porsche 996 and put $15,000 into it, I would be on that Ferrari's bumper at the track all day long, easily.
So there's that. Ferrari looks a whole lot better though.
when you rent the 1morelap.CA super cars, an instructor must attend with you. That was the instructor screaming. Lol
think I'll rent the GTR next. They are having a sale on them and the price is hard to resist.
You can see by my nick where my allegiances lie.
The new Audis are stunning cars, beautifully crafted, engineered, and incredibly refined. The quattro drivetrains gives them traction second to none.
BUT: they are not engaging connected driver's cars. The steering is inert but accurate. They isolate you in comfort away from the road. They are amazing every day commuting cars.
But for the Thrill Of Driving, a 996 (in fact most Porsches) leave them wallowing behind - not on the road but in desirability for driving.
The ur quattro however.....
Can't say I disagree...
The E39 is a "ruins other cars" kind of car as well, the torque is absolutely corrupting. It's amazing how capable it is given the size and practicality.
^^interesting as the e39 m5 is another I like enough to own & maintain. Classic lines & great layout. I had one do a 2nd-4th pull alongside me on a nice, open stretch of road. I was expecting to be left behind but the m96 pulled on it a very small amount in each gear before the m5 driver yielded in 4th. For a sedan that some good power.
hahah .
My daily driver is now a new Audi S8. 0-60mph in 3.5seconds.
It is the most powerful car I have driven.
It is cavernous inside but the car shrinks around you.
BUT - I MISS MY 996 EVERY DAY. I mean it. Every day.
Every TIME I see a 996 on the highway or gas station I pull up to it and stare at it wistfully.
Don't sell your 996.
(Unless it's for a 996 GT3 or 997 GT3 or 991 GT3)
Horses for courses. The S8 is a stunning achievement in refined performance, no question.
But if you had a choice of both to take for a fang on your favourite piece of road..... there's the answer.
Yup. even in long highway drives from Boston to NYC, hands down I enjoyed the 996 over the S8.
Heck, even in a trip to homedepot, I prefer the 996.
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