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YOUR RESEARCHDual row or single row IMS?

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Replace ever fall, usually

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It�s been changed ever fall, usually with less than 2,000 kms of driving over the summer.

Dual row or single row IMS?
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Inspect imsb flange

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The only true way to know is to split the transmission from the engine and inspect the IMSB flange.

Dual row or single row IMS?
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Leading evidence: 'Replace ever fall, usually' (no explicit attributable resolution; this is a reported action or suggestion). Across 1 matching discussions, the most frequently mentioned possible cause is 'dual row ims bearing' (1 discussions; 0 report identifying it and 1 suggest it). The most frequently discussed action is 'Inspect imsb flange' (1 discussions). For that action, 0 discussions report a resolution and 0 report an unsuccessful attempt. No action has an explicit, attributable resolution report under the current rules. These are forum reports and suggestions, not a confirmed diagnosis.

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dual row ims bearing

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There is no way to know for sure without examining the flange, but it is likely a dual row IMS bearing.

Dual row or single row IMS?

Inspect imsb flange

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The only true way to know is to split the transmission from the engine and inspect the IMSB flange.

Dual row or single row IMS?

Replace annually it's not

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Suggestion

If changed annually it's not.

Dual row or single row IMS?

Replace clutch

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Suggestion · Original poster

I intend on switching the IMS out when changing the clutch, but this one has very low Kms (55,000), so isn�t there quite yet.

Dual row or single row IMS?
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Inspect imsb flange

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The only true way to know is to split the transmission from the engine and inspect the IMSB flange.

Dual row or single row IMS?

Replace annually it's not

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If changed annually it's not.

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Replace clutch

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Suggestion · Original poster

I intend on switching the IMS out when changing the clutch, but this one has very low Kms (55,000), so isn�t there quite yet.

Dual row or single row IMS?

Replace do

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Suggestion

Low mile cars with 15k oil changes do.

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Replace ever fall, usually

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Performed · outcome unconfirmed · Original poster

It�s been changed ever fall, usually with less than 2,000 kms of driving over the summer.

Dual row or single row IMS?

Replace every fall

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Suggestion · Original poster

I know, but it�s had oil changes every fall before being put away for approx half the year during winter.

Dual row or single row IMS?

Use ims as a negotiating tool

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Suggestion

Personally, I'd use the IMS as a negotiating tool and change it to the Solution just for piece of mind.

Dual row or single row IMS?

Use of a flexible endoscope or similar

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Is there any way, by use of a flexible endoscope or similar, to look through an inspection window or whatever, and see the mounting of an in situ ISB and tell which version it is?

Dual row or single row IMS?
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dual row ims bearing

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Suspected cause

There is no way to know for sure without examining the flange, but it is likely a dual row IMS bearing.

Dual row or single row IMS?
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POST 1 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

I�m considering getting back into a 911, and am looking at a nice local 2000 C2. It has a build date of 04/ 2000. Are the chances greater that this car has the dual row IMS or the single? I intend on switching the IMS out when changing the clutch, but this one has very low Kms (55,000), so isn�t there quite yet. Any help would be appreciated.

POST 2Original post

More likely that it�s dual, but cannot be 100% sure.

POST 3Original post

There is no way to know for sure without examining the flange, but it is likely a dual row IMS bearing. My 01 / 2000 build date has a double row bearing.

POST 5 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

I know, but it�s had oil changes every fall before being put away for approx half the year during winter. Average of 3,000 kms between oil changes. I�d of course be getting a thorough PPI.

POST 6Original post

Is there any way, by use of a flexible endoscope or similar, to look through an inspection window or whatever, and see the mounting of an in situ ISB and tell which version it is?

POST 8Original post

It is a difficult thing to answer definitively. All 98, 99 and some 2000's came with the dual row IMSB. There was a fire at the plant (or a fire at the Porsche plant...I don't know which it was) that provided the dual row IMSB sometime in 2000, and Porsche switched over to the single row IMSB. I don't think anyone knows when in the engine production line they switched over to the single row in 2000. I would venture a guess that early 2000's have a dual row. but it is difficult to say. The only true way to know is to split the transmission from the engine and inspect the IMSB flange. With a picture of the IMSB flange, there are plenty of people on here that can identify dual vs single row installations.

POST 9Original post

I recall seeing an engine serial number posted in some thread (I think on RL, but not absolutely positive) that identifies when they made the switch to single row. I don't know if that engine number is an accurate way to determine, but it's listed somewhere. If I find the thread, I'll post it.

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Quotes source post: 15093454

I don't think the serial number will help. Some 2001's had the dual row bearing too.

POST 11Original post

Quotes source posts: 15093569, 7944762

It is based upon the serial number of the engine rather than the car. I found the post, it was in the 997 forum. Again, I don't know if this is accurate, but it seems logical that there would be a hard line on the switch based upon engine production number. Original post : https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...ml#post7944762 Cut & paste of post below :

POST 12Original post

I seem to remember that Jake Raby's position is that they are all over the map. I guess the question is, at what odds that you have a double row are you comfortable leaving it in until the clutch change? It's only got 34,000 miles, so that clutch could last another 30,000 miles or longer. Personally, I'd use the IMS as a negotiating tool and change it to the Solution just for piece of mind. I like to drive my car and not have to think about the bearing.

POST 13Original post

Dual row bearings fail too! The big concern here is the low miles... Get the "Solution" and be done with it.

POST 14 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Not sure why low kms are a concern if the oil was always changed in the fall prior to winter storage...

POST 16Original post

Quotes source post: 15094230

If changed annually it's not.

POST 17Original post

Cars with low miles dont increase odss of failure. Low mile cars with 15k oil changes do. Dont confuse the two.

POST 18 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

It�s been changed ever fall, usually with less than 2,000 kms of driving over the summer. I�d plan to add a new LN bearing or the solution, but not right away.

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