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Back seats in my 4S have never been used except when I crawl in the clean the rear window.
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I had to check the top of the page to make sure I wasn't in the 993 forum.
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Back seats in my 4S have never been used except when I crawl in the clean the rear window.
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When and if the time comes, I'd certainly consider a Cayman to replace my C4S.
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Same track last month in the (new to me) '03 996 C2 I managed to run 1:55.1.
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320 HP at 7200rpm 273ft/lbs of torque, DFI engine, PDK transmission, 3,031lbs for PDK in Cayman S, Porsche numbers of 0-100 kph, 0-160 kph 10.9
Web special is up on Porsche
Well I guess we will have to get use to being passed by these at the track.
When and if the time comes, I'd certainly consider a Cayman to replace my C4S. I've sat in one but never driven one. The interior feels more cramped and the rear visibility isn't as good as a 911 but the 911 is excellent in that respect. Every car is a compromise so it depends on what's important to you.
No big surprise. We all saw it coming. The current crop of the 987S with 3.4 matched our 3.4 996's and surpassed the previous generation 993 by a bit. The HP/efficiency just keeps going up which is great for all of us.
Just look at how stupid fast a 997.2 non S is with the PDK.
I think the front is a improvement.
Back seats in my 4S have never been used except when I crawl in the clean the rear window. Performance on the track is important to me. So I am thinking that the 4S needs a stable mate.
I think our 996's just depreciated again.
I guess I don’t worry about depreciation; to me its an additional cost of ownership. The model is almost 10 years old, and it’s not a financial investment.
If you want to
about depreciation, think about it on a brand spanking new Cayman S!
What Dell said too. Don't Honda's have ~300hp these days?
The 296 hp version of the CS was already a more capable track car than any stock (non-GT3) 996. With 320 hp it will be fantastic. Now if they would just drop in a GT3 engine!
I don't think the old GT1 based engine in the current GT3 will be used in the next model. I would love to have the 9A1 3.8l in the Cayman S. Why can't Porsche have 2 models on par with one another, one for the 911 fans that need baby seats and another for those that want an modern affordable mid-engined Porsche. Porsche can keep their turbo's reserved for the 911.
as long as the Cayman S looks nothing like the C4s, i'm happy with the c4s.....
otoh, I love the looks of the cayman and you gain another trunk but I won't be able to transport more people.
If you are worried about passing at the track, do what I did.
I attended a Crown Region event at Roebling a couple months ago, at the invitation of a buddy who won a weekend in a pro-trainer vehicle for each of us. I figured they'd be older 996 cars, mabye 993's.
Nope.
944's. Stripped and race ready. All in the green group - my first track event. Drove the 944 for 4 heats first day, 5 heats second day, and was PASSING 996, 997 AND 997 Turbos. No, I'm not some crazy nut case, but the turbos were owned by their drivers, and were likely not being pushed to the limit, we could only pass on the single straight, and my instructor was a true race pro who pushed me to the limit. I never had so much fun in my life.
Blast. And I currently own one of those slow, heavy, poky hp cars ('04 C4S Cab). I ain't worried.
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I've passed 996's, 996TT's and I even passed a 997 GT3RS this year (in group 1 no less) with my Boxster. The driver makes a huge difference.
I'm with Jim on this one. I think the Cayman is one of the finest Porsches ever made. I wish Porsche would give it even more power.
Yup, used to pass all kinds of cars in my Audi Station Wagon...Ferraris, Porsches, etc, etc. In the end though, you definitely notice pushing 3900 lbs around on 4 smallish contact patches. But it was a hoot and I could bring a toolbox, 4 extra tires and wheels and luggage to the track and take it all home
Not to hijack this thing, but I didn't find this to be so clear-cut. I have owned both, tracked both, and, stock-for-stock, I'd say they are pretty closely-matched on the track in terms of laptimes. The 3.6 996 mk2 C2 coupe, in my case is currently proving to be FASTER, actually, than my '07 Cayman S (w/ PASM & Sport Chrono) was at the same tracks with equivalent tires (all else being stock), in spite of the fact that the 996mk2 is a little heavier.
Perhaps I'll elaborate in a seperate thread, since I'm not sure how many R-Listers have done this move (from a Cayman S to a 996). The differences in their on-track behavior is proving to be quite interesting (at least to me).
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My statement was pretty broad and unqualified. I've driven many 996s on many tracks and one Cayman S on one track so my experience is somewhat limited. I've also raced an X51 996 against a CS and won but not by much. I'd say in general that a stripped down (light) 3.6L 996 might get the better of a CS on a high speed track. I'd take the CS any day on a tight track.
It would be fun to run stock versions of both back to back. Anyone want to volunteer their cars?
Does it REALLY matter!?
My ego doesn't care if a Cayman passes me on the road or track.
At the end of the day, most will be happy with the one they drive.....I know I am.
Pete
944 turbos are very capable cars!
To get back on topic, if I could get a Cayman S for $20k, I'd kick the 996 right out of the garage... But, bang-for-the-buck, I think the 996 is a better deal right now.
hey john.
i did both, 996c2 to cay s.
i am faster in cay s for sure. the difference is most dramatic at BW and SP. at TH and LS, the tq of C2 has some advantages over cay.
i had less prob (reliability and durability issues) in the C2 vs cay s.
if they put GT3 motor, LSD and a better gear box in the cay. all of my GT3's will be on the block.
That is very true. I get a kick out the the so called purists thinking that Porsche means rear engine. The same year Doc Porsche designed the rear engine VW bug he designed a race car for Auto Union. It was mid-engine. When Porsche builds a race car that doesn't need to be homolgated on the 911 it is always mid-engine and when they decided to build a super car it was mid-engine.
I like 911s but it drives me crazy that the marketing department keeps Porsche engineers from building the best possilbe sportscar in the $70-110k range. That would be a nice light CS with a big old GT3 powerplant.
The performance stats are all well and good... but for those of us that are driving our dream cars, the question as to who's-faster-than-who doesn't matter... With that attitude you might wonder what the point is of contributing to this thread... it's this (at least for me): a wise sage on one of the other subforums/threads has a tag line that still makes me chuckle - it reads "The boxster (for me it also applies to the CS) outside is just a daily reminder that you couldn't afford a Carrera." Quite appropriate to this subforum and thread... but probably not so much in the Boxster/S subforum...
Rudy
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It may not need the old motor Jim. If the new DI motor lives up to it's promise (they are supposedly putting it in the new GT3 and TT) that will do just fine and would actually be cheaper.
A 400+ hp Cayman........I'll take mine in red.
Wow! I had to check the top of the page to make sure I wasn't in the 993 forum.
When the makers of sportscars worry more about perserving an image than out engineering the competition, their cars stop being dream cars!
Just my opinion.
As long as you enjoy driving your car 996, 3.4 or 3.6, no big deal. If you want to have the fastest, you've got to be willing to spend the $ to upgrade every few years or so. Anything that does sub-5s 0-60, 170mph + top speed and handles well is quick enough in my opinion.
One of these days, I wouldn't be too surprised if Accords/Camrys are in the 300/320hp range!
hey don't blame me, I just wanted to mark the end of the 996 era.
Best bang for the buck is a a basic 996 stripped of all but a steering wheel and gear shifter.
I agree none of this matters... you just gotta drive the one that makes you happiest. I only sold the Cayman S 'cause I needed back seats for the kid. But the bonus is the 996 has surprised me by being more fun (IMHO) on the track.
At Sears Point my best laptimes in the Cayman S were in the 1:55.6 to 1:56.0 range; (stock CS on 888 tires). Same track last month in the (new to me) '03 996 C2 I managed to run 1:55.1. Again, stock car but this time on MPSCups. The Cayman had the PASM suspension. The 996 has US M030 and factory Aerokit (fwiw).
At TH my Cayman S did 2:07.7 on 888's, whereas my 996 did an easy 2:09.0 on STREET TIRES on my first day with it. FWIW.
But my data is meaningless: I'm no Pro. Who knows which is truly faster? I think it's too close to call.
My point is simply that I'm having as much (or maybe more) fun in the 996 as I was in the CS.... therefore I don't think 996 owners need to worry about whether or not the new DFI Cayman S is going to "supercede" their ride. I'm certainly not losing any sleep over it.
