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YOUR RESEARCHPorsche 911 vs BMW M6
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The 911 style is very little changed for 40+ years, just evolved.
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I'm not sure why anyone would buy an M6 when the M5 seems to be the same car but with a usable rear seat, especially when the poster's biggest problem is apparently how to fit hordes of women in the car.
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I am now thinking about just replacing my 01 996 to a 2008 Range Rover.
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it's not like the guy in the "bangalized" ugly heavy M car couldn't buy the dated, RMS riddled, plasticky 996 in the first place w/ mucho change left over.
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M6 may not be prettier than our 911's at some angles and BMW name is common, but the M6 can take in 4 average size adults plus a couple of golf bags in the trunk and GET THIS, M6 CAN BEAT 0-60 run time over 996 Turbo.
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it's not like the guy in the "bangalized" ugly heavy M car couldn't buy the dated, RMS riddled, plasticky 996 in the first place w/ mucho change left over.
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M6 may not be prettier than our 911's at some angles and BMW name is common, but the M6 can take in 4 average size adults plus a couple of golf bags in the trunk and GET THIS, M6 CAN BEAT 0-60 run time over 996 Turbo.
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I'm not sure why anyone would buy an M6 when the M5 seems to be the same car but with a usable rear seat, especially when the poster's biggest problem is apparently how to fit hordes of women in the car.
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Jag XK, BMW M6, Range Rover, 997
Range Rover is luxurious and all, but being a single guy, Ranger Rover doesn't just cut it for me. I need a fast sports car.
Having owned the 996 for all these years, 997 doesn't quite feel exciting as other similarly priced cars.
Test drove the BMW M6 the other day. Being 6'2", I always thought of getting a long body style car like the BMW 6 series or the Jag XK. Just today, I deleted XK from my list. 1/3 of the owners complained about many little problems. I can't afford frequent visits to dealers, I have better things to do with my time.
My review of M6: I can throw a few girls in the rear seats of an M6 (rear seats are bigger than our 911s) after partying from a night club, and still carry a couple of golf clubs in the trunk. M6 is not as charismatic as our 911s, but definitely more practical.
Anyone with similar dilemma?
Yep, I have that dilemma. Where can I find a few girls to throw in the back of the car and take them home. Not sure my wife would see it as a dilemma.....
Are you serious? Aston Martin Vantage, maybe a year or two preowned? How 'bout a Mazerati (sp?). Bimmers, even the nicer models are so...well.....common. You seem to be the kind of guy that wants to roll with extra style.
J
Great suggesion. It is definitely within the price range. I have considered the baby Aston, but I can't drive those kind of exotic cars (more exotic than the Porsche Turbos) to the office or on a daily basis. Aston looks awesome, but I don't think it could a daily driver.
At one point, I wanted to own something real flashy like the Bentley, Aston, Ferrari, etc., the ultra super cars $170K+, but these type of cars, it's nice to look at, but it's gonna attract too much attention to be a DD. And I think I'd start to get worried about the car after I handed the valet my key at a club or at a restaurant.
So, M6 for my purpose will do a nice job as a DD and a car I can look good in wearing a suit. M6 can be a dd, and not attact too much attention. Don't wanna a 4 door sedan. If I can afford to have about 5 cars, all those exotics will definitely be in my garage ha ha.
Cheers
Ha ha both myself and the front passenger would need to pull up our seats, of course, to make room for the mid to late 20's leggy hotties. Our 996 can maybe take in one girl in the back seat after uncomfortably pulling our front seats.
Another time I picked up 2 chicks at a club with a buddy of mine. These girls were about 5'7". A valet pulled up my 996 and my buddy's Range Rover. Even though the girls were awed by the 996, both coudn't fit in the car even though I kept telling that they could. Another friend of theirs joined in, and they all got on the Range Rover. Bummer. Even though one girl wanted to hop in my 996, her group insisted that they stay together. You know how that goes.
My gf is 21 yrs old 5'7" 120lbs with a big rack and can fit in the back. I won't date a girl unless she can fit in the backseat! A "double date" works for me too: one girl in the front passenger seat and one girl in the back. No way any human could fit behind my seat, i'm 6'2".
Wow, she must be smoking. Congrats. You're talking about your 996, right?
This is the reason why I got the Porsche 911 over SL500 which have no backseats.
I think it's a perfectly fine looking car, but no better looking than the M5. I'm not sure why anyone would buy an M6 when the M5 seems to be the same car but with a usable rear seat, especially when the poster's biggest problem is apparently how to fit hordes of women in the car.
Speaking of the "women aspect" of these cars--they're much more attracted to my Merlot Mica Miata than my black 996. Men, OTOH, tend to think the Miata is a joke and drool over the 996. Go figure.
..okay, so what does that tell you about how much the average woman knows or cares about high end cars?
I mostly find old guys wanting to drool over my car... that or maybe it's just old age that makes them drool
awed by the 996? LOL in LA?
hey man get the M6. i feel you on the 997 deal not really feeling like an upgrade after having spent all that time in the 996. the whole heritage thing is a blessing and a curse. unless you're fully drinking the 911 koolaid, your eye wanders. mine sure do with both cars and women.
You OBVIOUSLY are in the low LA rent clubs if girls are awed by a M6....lol....All the clubs I see nowadays have Murci's and Phantoms in front....M6? FYI, I am married, but must fight VERY hard to keep hotties out of my 996....besides, when I was single, (and had my Range Rover by the way) I wanted a girl to drive her own car so I wouldnt have to shuttle them around like I was a taxi...I like the 2 seaters....my rear seats are always folded down. Find a good one...one with her OWN sports car and money...as far as cars go....buy what YOU like....or 2 cars....I have the Carrera and Range Rover.
Looking at your sig, you have showed incredible restraint thus far in your car purchases. Congrats on being able to make that kind of leap.
If you want my opinion, the M6 is gorgeous. A great looking ride with a lot or potential for mods.
Ahhh, the problems of a single guy. I have kid #2 on the way and am having a similar yet VERY different problem trying to figure out what to get for the next DD.
Good luck
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It's another overly heavy Bangalized design from BMW.
FWIW, as a single guy you should be aware that any girl you pick up that is too big for the back of the 911 is too big to date (IMHO).
i'd be curious to see pics of your wives or gfs to see exactly what you 911 car nerds are pulling down these days esp given the level of superficial snobbery i'm seeing in this thread. lol
the m6 is a mega fast gt coupe and guess what? it's not like the guy in the "bangalized" ugly heavy M car couldn't buy the dated, RMS riddled, plasticky 996 in the first place w/ mucho change left over.
troll that suckas
By 996, yeah. In L.A. yeah. Unlike you and your friends who own Porsches and Ferraris, there are many out there who drive very average cars. Girls I know, and even brainy & street-smart guys around me believe it or not, don't know the difference between 996 and 997. Especially when seen from the side when valets pull up. To most people, 911 is a 911. 993 looks a little different from 996 & 997, but only enthusiasts can really pinpoint the headlamp changes. Some of these guys I know who are into SUV's and hayabusas & ducatis don't really follow on $90,000+ (w options) Porsche 911s and how they evolve. They can't afford Porsche 911s. To them, it's like why spend researching on cars they can't afford. Although, as for me, even if Vanquishs are a little out of my budget at this point, I follow on most exotic supercars closely. But many are not like us in the forum.
ha ha my eyes do wander most definitely. both cars and girls. I may keep the 996 and get the M6. Cheers.
Dude, insulting people in here doesn't make you any superior. If this thread bothers you, walk away instead of wasting your time posting. Unless you have an emergency technical question or unless you're a car nerd yourself as you described, why are you posting in here on a weekend? If I were you, I would be out trying to hook up with girls and have a good time instead of being in here labeling people. I 'd be curious about the pics of your gfs, since you brought up pics. Btw, what do you drive?
You're in LA, what's the problem? You could drive an Aston Martin as a daily driver if you work at the grocery store. When I lived in Beverly Hills, a had a neighbor who parked his Ferrari in front of his apartment.
I totally agree with you as I experience the damn thing and get perceived as ap punk **** when I'm actually a genteel fellow.
Good luck with the M6. I'm a fan.
i'm guessing in your woods u don't really want us to know about your friendly activities with your cousins, but to keep this on topic, the M6 is a great car and would make a fine car to drive around just probably not int he woods.
iDrive isn't all that bad. I have it in our 750 and I now understand its concept and what BMW is trying to do with it. iDrive is bad for those who don't understand it....and you won't understand it unless you own a car with it.
Nope, not everyone hates iDrive. I wish I had the same amount of control over every aspect of my car--I love plenty of technology in the dash. I think most of the people that complain about iDrive are the older people that say things like "I don't do computers."
This is funny, I took a couple of girls home from a club a few weeks ago and stuffed one of them in the back, and OF COURSE I made her take her spikey heels off BEFORE I allowed her entry.
She left me a myspace comment. Here it is!
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(Kimberly)
Um the next time you tell me to take my shoes off and get in your car butt first, it better be after dinner and before great sex! =P
What's up? I laid out at the pool all day....recovering. How about you?
Oh, and back on topic. 997 IS the ONLY way to go!!
Yup, I agree. Occasionally, I look to see if there's been an attitude change, but am usually not surprised to see the same old bad attitude in the hidden posts.
That picture really shows off the **cough, cough** beauty of the 6 series. Seriously, even the Solara looks better. Imagine the car in that picture without the nice wheels to distract you from the actual car design. The trunk lid looks like a kit car add-on.
And it's as overweight as it's lard *** butt styling would indicate...
I don't know this keyboard thug brannon guy at all and never engaged with him in the past, but I say he shows us some pics of his big rack 120lbs gf posing in his 911 with an "eat crow ben" sign and i will certainly eat crow.
else, it's all internet keyboard thuggin straight outta Oklahoma where I could live in a fuqin' mansion for the price of my small **** condo here in seattle. balllllin!
post up a pic of a 996 in the same unflattering angle as the solara or m6. it looks insanely bad.
Sounds like a challenge, so +1! Put your gf's "big rack" where your mouth is!! ...and Ben, I hope you're willing to share some crow, cause I'd really LOVE a taste!
Uh, unflattering angle? That was a publicity "glamour" shot of the 6. Shows how pathetically ugly it is. One really awful thing about the design is the straight sheet metal gap which goes all the way across the very high visual impact front of the hood (compared to the waterfall design of hoods on previous BMWs). Sure it is cheaper to produce, but it makes it look like a freakin' Pontiac. Crappy design of the highest order. And did I mention that it's heavy? One issue of Autoweek tested the full sized, 5 passenger Cadillac DTS a while back, calling it a "luxobarge". The 6 series Cab tested at the same time was 100 lbs.
heavier.
<shrug> I actually don't think the M6 is all that ugly--it's pretty in a "futuristic" way, unlike the way the 911 is pretty in a "nostalgic" way, but in any case...
I just looked up the weight of each car--you're off by a bit...the M6 convertible is actually 389 lbs.(!!!) heavier than a DTS (according to Edmunds). I couldn't agree more--that IS pretty ridiculous. One of my old car toys weighs less than HALF the weight of the M6.
M6 may not be prettier than our 911's at some angles and BMW name is common, but the M6 can take in 4 average size adults plus a couple of golf bags in the trunk and GET THIS, M6 CAN BEAT 0-60 run time over 996 Turbo. Bet ya didn't know that. But of course, the new 997 Turbo is faster.
M6 will nicely compliment my 996 as a daily driver and to the golf course. The fact that a $100,000 M6 is not flashy is another plus for me. Don't wanna draw too much attention on the DD, especially when going to the office in a suit. New Mercedes CL 500 is in the similar price range, but Mercedes design is... just dull these days, except for the SL and SLR. Girls favor the Jag XK over the M6.
again, post up a pic of a stock as can be 911 in the same angle and it'll look downright hideous as well. and the 911 range today (e.g. 997TT being the GTest iteration) tops out at over 3,400lbs so who are we to b!tch about the bimmer's weight?
not all cars look great from all angles. esp when u have a camera lens involved.
it's an awesome GT car, w/ great tech, an F1 dna v-10, looks are subjective. the 911 is not the best looking car in the world - in fact, w/o its motorsport roots, its looks would be nothing to write home about. do i look at the m6 and say damn that's hot? no way. but with an aerokit and wheels, it looks pretty darn aggressive just like the 911.
I'd take an M5 WAY over an M6. I agree it's an ugly car, and I DISAGREE STRONGLY about the 911 being ugly at that angle or ANY! I don't care if you're looking at it lying under the car!!! The 911 style is very little changed for 40+ years, just evolved. This is part of its beauty/mystique.
If you don't agree with that, you're not a 911 purist, which is cool.
bad example - that is a fine angle - lowered, bigger wheels, much tighter shot. HUGE diff.
i asked for stock, Ray!!! LOL
but anyways the 911 isn't a hot looking car. it's really an amorphous amalgamation of many parts that holistically add up to something special in the automotive world.
Ben, come on the angle is virtually identical and the distances are very similar. Additionally, one is professionally shot and the other is from a cheap digital camera of a car in a no parking zone. The wheels are 18's and the suspension is a Porsche part.
That BMW (pictured) isn't a bread and butter 6 series, rather it's the "M" and as such it includes all BMW's best stuff. Even with all the extras (wheels, front bumper, body kit, lowered ride height, etc.) it still looks funky at best (IMHO).
I'd take an M5 over the fugly M6 in a heart beat. Moreover, I'd walk past both for a sports car like the 997S.
If you like the Bangle Butt that's fine, but let's not pretend that it has the same universal appeal of a car like the 911 (who's basic shape has remained virtually unchanged for over 40 years).
His designs have been contoversial at best.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...tt&btnG=Search
I doubt we will be looking at the same style from BMW in 40 years. In fact, BMW is already backing off from this style (little wonder why).
Finally, if a supermodel walks by, do you think to yourself there goes an amorphous amalgamation of ****, legs, and *** that add up to something special in the modeling world?
Too bad,.................I just think "I'd hit it"
I wholeheartedly disagree. The camera angle is completely diff and i didn't talk about the quality of focus and lighting of the shot. it's the shape of the car.
all of this crap above is subjective, but it's fun to split hairs over it because it tells me who's got the eye and who doesn't. i hope for your sake that we'd all think "i'd hit it" if we ever saw your wife walking around in seattle. LOL j/k!
but maybe she's butt ugly?
Nah, I imagine you'd think to yourself..........there goes an amorphous amalgamation of ****, legs, and *** that would add up to something special in my world. Unfortunately, she's wearing a wedding band and appears to be frowning at me.
What's with the wife fixation anyway?? It's actually more than a little creepy Ben and I do not appreciate your ongoing reference to her (even with a LOL jk thrown in).
I believe this thread is about 911's and ugly M6's and has absolutely nothing to do with spouses.
You must have missed the memo about BMW promoting Chris Bangle to Design Chief:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Bangle
I think a lot of people wrongly assume that BMW is not happy with Bangle's performance.
Nope didn't miss it at all. I was pointing out the controversial nature of his design. Specifically, the "Bangle Butt" which has been received a lot of criticism.
I would not say he is a bad designer. However, in my opinion he has produced some bad designs. I like the 5 series and the e46 3 series. I don't really care for his first "Bangle butt" design (7 series), the 6 series or the Z4.
Personally, I think Audi has been producing much better design than BMW lately.
don't get your panties in a bunch cuz what's creepy is you first comparing cars to the female body (not I) and "hitting it" so given that you're married, what better correlation to attraction than "the one"? but since it does bother i'll respect your wishes as i do respect you (as much as an e-friendship allows that is).
the m6 is not a car id choose to spend my money on, but i respect it for what it is. it can certainly look very nice modded up just like the 911 (yea yeai do sound like a broken record fuq u).
Sorta knew the M6 would be ridiculed here. This is after all, a Porsche forum, and the comparison is not between a base boxster or a cayman, but the top of the line model.
I'm not too crazy about the rear design of the 6-series either, but it does score much higher in practicality. Even though 911s continue to advertise as 4 seats, we know it aint true. 6-series or M6 would definitley compliment our 911. Btw, you all have 2nd cars, right? Otherwise, what do you drive when you go play golf? 911 can't hold golf clubs.
What's up with all these Japanese cars? Honda Accord Coupe copied the body line of a Mercedes CLK and made it better. Camrys and Solara copied the 6-series rear trunk design and brought down the whole 6-series line.
Thanks...
I'll joke about a lot, but the wifey means a lot to me. No joke.
What's not to love about a woman who is supportive of the Porsche habit and thinks I should buy more.
Amen, and Ray I apologize for the reference as it is pretty inappropriate. I actually do feel bad about it (rare occurrence) as it is veering severely away from my e-personality policy to keep comments to people's cars. Won't happen again.
i should be so lucky to find a woman who is going to be supportive of my ferrari habit in the future.
Ben....one who supports the F habit...and don't forget that toe picking thing too! LOL...kidding of course. It is bizarre how the solara is similar. Can anyone do an angle comparison with tops down?
Read in another post that you blew your engine? Is that for real or part of a joke I missed???? Say it aint so.
J
You have both the 996 and a Range Rover? Perfect combo, I would say.
I am now thinking about just replacing my 01 996 to a 2008 Range Rover. But I don't about driving an SUV as a DD. I know I'm gonna miss the P car roar.
