So whats in the box Beeoch? LNE IMS bearing

Getting ready to do the IMS retro fit to my 99. I got the tool and bearing.. Not sure why the unsealed side of the bearing will point out. But I am sure it will be some appearant during the process. Plus the lower temp thermo and a pix of our begging dog with her sorry look wanting a potato chip.

Give the poor dog a chip!

+1 Before I call PETA on your ***.

hahahaha great dog pic!!! when you you going to tackle the job? I would love to be there and help you do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe it points out so that oil can get in.

Did your dog have a starring role in Men In Black? I think I've seen that dog before...

The unsealed side of the bearing faces out, so the bearing can be flooded with engine oil for the best proper lubrication.

since I have no shame....I will ask..... why OUT for oil IN... seems reverse (though I am sure you have an explanation that even I will understand)

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would you be able to share the latest cost for this? Rennlist discount?

I'm waiting for the Group buy

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+1. I would buy one in a heart beat.

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I see the 2 cylinders in the second pic - I understand one is the tool to remove the old bearing. What is the second one for?

looks like the RMS installer???

The second is the aluminum block to insert the bearing. When you go to pull the old bearing, insert a oiled washer between the large nut and the puller. If you don't the nut will want to gaul and make the puller turn in the IMS seal area. I also had to grind a bit of one ear from the IMS flange to clear the flywheel per the instructions. Rick 99 996C4 87 944S

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A group buy on a component like this would be a disaster.. The components require a lot of support. Ours are also serialized and matched to the engine's serial number as well as the vehicle's VIN for absolute reference. Group buys are generally more effective for less critical, less specific components.. Don't ever expect these bearing kits to go on sale, if anything the cost will increase.

YIKES - BUY NOW !!!! shoot.... Jake dont raise the price till I get my tax refund PLEASE

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See below I agree and thus why I put "it will become appearant when the work is done" Rennlist DC,, yeah right, they charged me a restock fee on parts they didnt even ship.... But in fareness I shoudl state they were special order parts... But not a good way to keep a DIY customer, Especially when the guys goes "oh yeah we will use those parts no problem". I had to go buy my clutch elsewhere to make up the 70 bucks. I think the bearing was about 6 bills the tool was 70 I forget how much the new water temp thiny was

Jake, Please forgive my lack of knowledge of the IMS. A Porsche master tech is doing the install, So dont worry. Its in good hands... But I have a question about it functionality. Is it the outter race thats spins or the inner race? The reason I ask is, it appears the stationary hub flange get inserted in to the inner race and its a snug fit. Next the guy doing the work has already said "Isnt anyway a duel row bearing is coming out of that case with out damage being done. Can you ease my mind and explain how the inner ring on the stock bearing callapes? Thanks Kyle

Any way you could shoot a video of your master mechanic doing the removal and install? That piece of footage would be INVALUABLE to us DIYers. Plus, Jake can give us feedback.

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If I remember the camera. I was just wishing I had video of that to watch. I just got done reading the general instructions. With the custome puller and the currnet bearing in fare shape, it should be a snap. Basically the custome pulller screws on the support shaft and gets pulled out via the shaft. The only worries I have are: If my bearing is weak, what are the chances of my inner race pulling out and leaving the outter race in the car. AND How does that inner ring collape on the duel row by just pulling on it with out doing damage?

Sorry for the tangent, but Kyle that is one good-looking dog you got there

Actually that IS what worries me. The bearing has an outer race rotation, just like the factory bearing. The inner race is designed to remain parked and the stud is designed to ensure this happens. This is designed to be a snug fit. Take this car and IMS bearing to someone else for the procedure to be done. This tech has been brain washed by the same people at Porsche that told us the dual row bearing was impossible to extract without engine damage. That was proven wrong over 200 times in the first six months the bearing retrofit was released. I still hear this from closed minded Porsche Techs. When I bet them their paycheck that I can extract the bearing without engine damage they are silenced quickly. The reason why it took so long for the bearing extraction procedure to be developed was due to Porsche stating that it could not be done. It took a few "outlaws" that don't play by Porsche rules to make it happen. When I was told that it couldn't be done it simply increased my desire to do it. I won't try to convince anyone of anything and I won't argue with the Tech. How does the internal snap ring release???? It BREAKS! As soon as it breaks the bearing can be extracted without further complication. Find an Indy with less experience, one that is willing to explore and not play by Porsche's rules... The "MASTER" has too much experience following Porsche directives and he is pre-determined that this is impossible. We did it successfully twice last week. Seriously, get a second opinion.

wow.... didnt realize that thermostat was so big. +1 on the vid... that will explain alot, and sell more bearings.

Jake my indy guy is coming to one of your (motor rebuild) classes (soon?) - he has done the IMS retrofit several times (in his words) I spent some time in front of an open 3.6l the other day with him and we talked about your knowledge of these motors and your engineered parts.... your reputation in the "open minded" world is EXCELLENT !!!! - Like I said, i plan on doing this as a DIY and I hope to pick the brains of those in the know once I get to that step... thanks for your posts! worst case for me, I have my guy do it and pay him....but for sure I wont be the one doing any "experimenting"

ivangene, our "M96 101" engine class is coming up in two weeks. I have been prepping for it for several days now. Glad to see your Tech is headed this way. The first thing I told my students is this class isn't going to be anything like a Porsche experience.. Hell I'll even show people how to use their own brains and assemble an engine with only 5 special tools, instead of 20! We are shooting the IMSR DVD in the three days following the M96 101 engine assembly class, so it should be edited and ready to go by mid March. Charles and I are doing this personally right here in my studio and lab.. It'll be the common sense way to do the job, not cluttered with techno jargon to confuse people..

AWESOME !!

I just had the IMS R and RMS done at the same time for peace of mind on my 00 996 by a very experienced Indi here in Miami. Charles at L &N referred a customer to him and another RL here just took his damaged 996 to get repaired. He's got Porsche experience from working at a large dealership here but went out on his own and definitely can think out of the box. + 1000 for L & N.

Outside the box thinking, an open mind and the ability to follow instructions is all thats required to do this IMSR procedure successfully.

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it's a pug/beagle mix and shes an *******. Very very wound

Jake, This is the 3rd time I am re-writing this. I dont know exacly how to take your answers. You answered my questions, thank you. You need to look at the person I have chosen to do the work as another oppertunity to sell more kits. I am sorry you do not approve of my choice. He certainly has not talked about your kit as you are talking about him. He actually said it seems like a good idea. He made the comment about the bearing coming out becasue, Jake, Doesnt it sound a little odd that we are going to pull this ring that is larger than the hole, thought the hole? I didnt have a right to ask? I mean come on,,, sounds like a very logical question. Sorry my nature is, "unless I am dealing with Jesus Christ, I am going to ask how and why" And ya know what... I actually have a few questions for him too. Jake, I got 3 opinions, after that I had to make a judgement call on what I was going to do. I gathered my info, did my home work and chose to trust your judgment on this bearing. I do understand you may have an attitude with Porsche. But your attitude really took you off base to slam a guy that actually likes your idea. He simple made a comment abotu the bearing, that to me made perfect sense... So I asked becasue I couldnt find ANYTHING ANYWHERE that told me HOW that bearing was going to come out. I thank you for your answers. Calm down, regroup and stop being so stand offish when asked a question. Lets get this done. Lets get it in so I can tell everyone how great it is. Fare enough? Relax.

First off: You must understand just how much crap we have had to endure due to Porsche's statements about the bearing being non-removable. When someone that has never built an engine before can lay on his back in his garage and pull the tranny out of his car and successfully do this work, but someone with every certificate that Porsche has cannot it speaks volumes. When that happens over and over again it gets really old, really quick. I didn't mean to come across like an ***, I just wanted to make a point and do so clearly. Not all techs are the same and not all dealers are the same, but I'll tell you now that the "Master" techs have had the most difficulty with this procedure of anyone else.. I know- I personally provide the direct phone support while the bearing is being extracted. Who you choose to do this procedure is your business, but you need to understand (and everyone else too) that certificates from Porsche won't miracle anything together. Last year I had a tech working here that aced every school that Porsche had, he worked at Brumos for 5 years but he couldn't work his way out of a paper sack. His resume was impressive, his action was less than most teenagers I have had here as apprentices. The worst part was he never thought for himself, if a book said that special tool XXX was needed he would stop and want to order that tool. The rest of us here would go grab a piece of scrap metal, walk to our machine shop and make the damn thing, then get the job done.... More times than not that improvised tool is better than the one Porsche charges 10 prices for and has to ship from Germany. Certainly thats just one person, but it is a good illustration of my point. He lasted 3 months, I should have fired him after the 3rd day but I gave him a chance and wasted our time. The fact is I'd much rather spend my support time assisting a DIY enthusiast as some tech with 53 certificates on the wall... The DIY'r is always thinking about what's best for his car, not how fast the procedure can be done and the car cleared off the lift so the next 300 dollar oil change can be done. The best bet is an open minded INDY or do it yourself... As far as the bearing extraction goes, was your question related to the internal snap ring retaining the bearing inside the IMS or was it related to the extracted IMS bearing being removed through the access bore in the crankcase? Once again, I apologize for my intensity.

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I get it and I know where you are coming from. I deal with this same type of situation in my business as well. it is hard to avoid the attitude when people have been trying to kick you down for years. I get it.... If we need you. You will be on the phone with me. I feel I have a very good grasp on how this works. I really do not see what phone support there is to give other than moral support to say "Go Ahead and crank on it, its not going to break the case, Trust me" But when we get our grimmy little hands in there I may see why phone support is needed. Why did I pick the guy I did? After I/ we get the bearing in. I feel he knows better than anyone how to put it all back together. as for this "As far as the bearing extraction goes, was your question related to the internal snap ring retaining the bearing inside the IMS or was it related to the extracted IMS bearing being removed through the access bore in the crankcase?" My question was "What the hell is going to give to allow this thing to come out." So I guess my question was the snap ring retaining the bearing in the IMS.

Point well taken.. He probably does know better than most people how to put the car back together as these techs do a lot of R&R work and thats what they are taught and practice everyday.