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YOUR RESEARCHToo dirty for 16K miles?
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I've cleaned my (non-Porsche, sorry) engine bay a few times, and on each car I've done it, I notice dirt gets in there immediately.
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The lower seam looks like its come undone and/or repaired poorley.
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Car was obviously well USED during its relatively few miles judging from the interior wear and damage.
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What is scary is that the dealer didn't replace the lug nut, and at least take a sponge and clean the passenger seat back off!
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Perhaps they forgot to replace the missing lug bolt when they removed the 33" mudder tires?
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It is entirely possible that some of what you're seeing are interior parts taken from other cars...like they lost the manual holder, or replaced a seat....but that one is the worst looking owner's manuals I've ever seen....however what bothers me most is the fact that someone would actually put what essentially is a nice looking car (on the outside) up for sale with all those nagging little nuances glaring out at you.
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Stink bay has a 996 with claimed 16,xxx miles. Check out the photo of the engine compartment. Either the PO lives on a nasty dirt road or something is up.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/6-SPE...QQcmdZViewItem
Looks believable to me. One trip down a wet and dirty road can make the engine bay look like that (should have detailed it if they were going to show it off!).
Car was obviously well USED during its relatively few miles judging from the interior wear and damage. Overall, nice car for $30k!
Everything about that car screams more wear and tear than they're claiming. Let's put it this way. I've seen daily drivers with less wear and tear at 16K.
Any chance that it was a Katrina flood car?
The passenger must have been in there for every mile and clocked in at about 400 lbs. Dont know how someone shows a car like this without cleaning out the engine compartment. One thought that comes to mind is that they dont deal in these cars and have no clue how to "flush it out" and clean it up. Like with the mob, somethin' is fishy!!!
I would never buy a yellow car - too flashy for me. However, I very much enjoy looking at yellow cars and this cab looks fantastic in yellow!
I agree that the comments made about the rear of the seat backs and the dirty engine compartment suggest higher mileage than what's claimed in the ad.
And lastly, did I say that this car looks great in yellow?
I always wondered what happens to cars with digital odometers when they rounded 1,000,000 miles! Looks really good for that, don't you think?
BTW, dirt roads in Texas are entirely possible...this is coming from a native!
My Dad's 996 Cab has about 16K on it and it looks nowhere near that bad. It has some wear on the interior but it isn't that horrible. Our engine compartment is almost spotless. I would stay away from Houston. Buy a car in Chicago and drive it down. That's what we did.
Excuse me but why is one bolt missing from the alloy wheel? Someone had to drill out a locking bolt or something? The car likely does not have 16K miles. The film of Armour All on the interior hides it a bit in the photos, but there's probably more bolster wear on the seats than the mileage would have allowed for.
I was curious so I asked them a direct question on ebay - "Are you sure this car as 16k and not 116k miles? The interior has an awful lot of wear for only 16k miles."
They replied yes, that it only had 16 k miles on.
My guess is that its a Katrina car. Only 16 k miles, but a few weeks underwater. I suppose if some wanted to pay for carfax they could figure out if it was ever registered in the New Orleans area..
- Nick
There's a link to a free carfax on the page.
http://www.carfax.com/cfm/ccc_Displa...CA299X1S651004
It's a Texas car, but it raises even more questions:
i) why has a car that has done onbly 2000 miles a year got so much wear and tear?
ii) Why did it fail a safety inspection in 2006 - 16K mile cars don't fail safety inspections.
iii) Why did it move through so many states when it was new? was it a lemon?
Take a look and let me know if I missed anything.
The manual cover, missing lug, and the rear passenger set looked like it was home to a ferret, how can the seat pocket look like that? Did the PO keep a stash of Filet-o-fishes back there? You can get that type of dust in the engine compartment just after a few runs on dirt roads, whic would also say that they were driving it on dirt roads.
I would think a car that was under water would be way more messy? Could be the owners kept the top down all the time, and didn't clean it much. With all the pollen in the air near me now, I bet my interior would look like hell if I left the top down (if I had a cab, of course). And leather seats that bake in the sun become pretty dry, and if you sit on a dry seat, you could cause creasing and wear prematurely.
What is scary is that the dealer didn't replace the lug nut, and at least take a sponge and clean the passenger seat back off! That would take a few minutes, and make the car look so much cleaner.
My 17k coupe looked and smelled new when I bought it, and was from Westchester - no floods there! I would look elsewear, unless you can prove the car wasn't in a flood, and you could get it for $30k.
Have you ever cleaned yours though? I've cleaned my (non-Porsche, sorry) engine bay a few times, and on each car I've done it, I notice dirt gets in there immediately. Perhaps the PO liked rallying it at his ranch?
All jokes aside, there's something definately fishy about that car. The owner's manual from my last car, a 96 Galant, was no where near that messed up. Lucy has some 'splainin ta do!
If it was underwater, I'd guess they would have tried harder to clean it up. Wrinkles in bolster are apparent but it's hard to tell how worn they are from pic. Might just be abusive and/or overweight passenger. Perhaps they forgot to replace the missing lug bolt when they removed the 33" mudder tires? For the price, might be worth a closer look, assuming 16k is accurate.
I find all the observations and comments seem to point to the same overall conclusion....stay away from this car. It is entirely possible that some of what you're seeing are interior parts taken from other cars...like they lost the manual holder, or replaced a seat....but that one is the worst looking owner's manuals I've ever seen....however what bothers me most is the fact that someone would actually put what essentially is a nice looking car (on the outside) up for sale with all those nagging little nuances glaring out at you. I think you guys collectively have some pretty keen eyesight and observations....all of which pretty well reach the same conclusion. I've been amazed at how sharp some of you are in seeing whatf you can see in a photo.
Not to keep beating up on this poor car but, the rear window also like its seen better days. The lower seam looks like its come undone and/or repaired poorley.
