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I have a 2002 C2 Cab, I love it, the driving experience has changed my life, literally!
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Replace oil regularly and did all the preventative mods
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I change the oil regularly and did all the preventative mods that I could
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PSM was standard on the '99 C4, which was released in the middle of the 1999 model run(around January '99).
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The interior fit & finish is definitely superior to the '99, plus things like PSM option and general updates due to model maturity. The interior plastic trim in the '99 had a nasty cheap finish which got changed to a slightly less nasty cheap finish in the '00.
I personally am glad that I bought the later car. I don't think you'll notice 4hp.
It was an option on my car, although I consider it a mandatory one.
The other benefit of the '00 cars over '99 and earlier is the e-gas or throttle by wire. (Makes the PSM possible I guess).
You're right about throttle by wire being a requirement for PSM. Although e-gas is presumably a technological advancement which also allows better fuel management for emissions and more accurate cruise control, it also has drawbacks with respect to the mechanical linkage on the '99 model. Many drivers have commented that e-gas makes it more difficult to match rpm's when blipping the throttle on a downshift and some have also complained that it is less linear in its operation which can make smooth starts with the clutch more difficult.
Alhough the '99 model didn't have PSM it did have available electronic traction control and an item that you can't get on the Y2K and later models....a real mechanical limited slip differential, which is nice if you autocross or track the car.
As to the "cheap" plastic interior of the '99, if you find one with the full leather interior and maybe some carbon trim pieces, this is pretty much a moot point.
I've had absolutely no mechanical problems with my April '99 build car. Porsche made some mid model year changes in Feb '99 that addressed issues with the earlier build cars, but even those problems (oil leaks, cooling system etc) only affected a small percentage of cars.
Just thought I would put in my $.02 in defense of the '99 model year.
Mike
Ron,
PSM was standard on the '99 C4, which was released in the middle of the 1999 model run(around January '99). It was NOT available on the 1999 C2 at all.
The '99 C2 had electronic rear wheel traction control combined with a mechanical limited slip differential as an option. The first C2 with PSM as an option was the 2000 model.
Hope that clarifies things.
Mike
Never new there was a difference .. I love my 99. Only thing that bothered me was the tuning options for the cable throttle body are pretty much not there, no one will mess with them. Not that there is much to gain,but it would still be nice to get the 20ish hp from the tune just to have it lol
I LOVE MY 1999.
Cable throttle, basic and simple. "dual row IMS" and all that jazz, eventually it has to be addressed but as these cars get older and higher in mileage, eventually an engine overhaul will be needed. which will fail first, an IMS Bearing or a higher mileage motor? Who knows.
FWIW: I found a couple of Jake Raby's older posts that I copied and pasted here:
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...l#post15443361
^^ Yes, I can agree. Love my MY 99. Can you believe...mine was made 7/98, sold as a 99, so this month is now 21 years old! Goodness gracious I love this car. Oh and BTW, Holy Thread Resurrection!
THIS^^^
The electronic nanny decides the throttle behavior right around throttle opening/closing. So feathering the throttle to just barely open it and leave off the line smoothly like you would with an old 911 isn't a reliable thing with this car. You learn to keep the revs up and slip the clutch a little more than one would like to avoid the weirdness. Every now and again, when you forget to keep the revs above the nanny's threshold, you look like a noob and get a jerky start or can even stall it. Otherwise, though, the total car feels pretty analog (meaning good) compared to what's on the road today. I really love this car. It's the perfect mix of old school and modern feel.
AND THIS^^^
My '00 with the full leather interior looks quite nice, in my opinion.
+996
My '99 with full leather and carbon fiber is still going strong as well. A couple of cracks in the CF steering wheel, but that's it. Not bad for 20 years!
I used to love 944 Turbos because I felt that, among Porsches, they had the best mix of an old school feel of direct, analog control and modern smoothness and features. The 996 has replaced that niche for me.
I still love air-cooled era 911s too, but they are all old school in terms of sensations and control, at some cost. The early 996 is a car I can take the wife or commute in and not feel beat up, while still feeling like I am controlling the car. I bet the '99 with the cable throttle and LSD is the best in this respect (I've never owned one). But I still wouldn't easily part with my '00.
As a data scientist who knows way too much about what is done with our data, another plus of these cars is that what you do in them is your business, that can't be turned off remotely or hacked, etc. I have a new vehicle that I have to tell every so often not to track data on me - doing so is its default.
I think as the silliness over the GT1 (not Boxster) headlights fades, the 996 is going to progressively be seen as a classic of the mostly pre-digital era.
Same here. Those comments by Jake are what convinced me to look for a 996 vs. a 997 as my first P-car. Mine has the optional three spoke steering wheel but aside from that and leather seats, there are almost no options on it (less old things that can break). I made it (barely) into the 1998 build date club.
My 1st and only (until now) Porsche was a1986 guards red 944 Turbo that leased new between 1986-1989 that I really loved driving.
Really couldn't afford to buy or lease another Porsche until now. Just purchased a 2000 arctic silver C4 Cab for below book which is an excellent "replacement."
I recently picked up what I thought would be a super-cool car, an 86 951 with an 89 951 (that means S-spec) engine.
It ended up leaving me surprisingly cold after my experience with my 996. Kind of made me sad, I used to really dig the 951s. I guess I'm mainly a 996 guy now (but still love my 80 SC too - just got that car recently, it's a project).
The original question/post was in 2001......a lot has been learned between the 2 year models since then.....from bearings, to every single engine failure mode for both....I am very happy with my '99 (built 98)
I have a 2002 C2 Cab, I love it, the driving experience has changed my life, literally!
I want to get a �real� coupe to go with it, I think the coupe is seriously good looking compared to the Cab which is not bad looking, just not as �pure� as the coupe. I�m hunting for a 99, I only want a 99, or else I�ll go overboard and get GT3 996.
A question if I may, to those with superior knowledge�I�m hunting for a 99 without TC, does that mean that it won�t have a factory LSD? Where those two only available as one option together in 99?
Side note: in Europe, there are 1998 996s.
Automatic braking differential, traction control, and limited slip were all grouped into one on a few that I have had. Don’t know if you could get them without each other.
Thank you for that...
further clarification if I may...
So, they include ABD
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an LSD with TC, or Does the ABD acts as an electronic �LSD� without a real LSD...?
My 99 has those options installed, and I have a TC button to disable TC on the dash, which I use and it works. I think some cars have PSM as an option as well, but I don�t remember what year that came out?
Do you need an LSD in these cars?
I have never felt the need for an LSD in this car at the track. But my car has very light track modifications maybe it's important for more serious track setups.
I don�t think so. It�s damn near impossible for my rears to brake loose under acceleration, even in 1st gear turning hard. Even at the track under full braking, the rear end is easy to control in a straight line. Trail braking is also pretty predictable in my car. I have street alignment for maximum tire longevity as well.
EDIT: I forgot to mention that even though my car was equipped with LSD at the factory, I�m not sure it�s still effective, hence my comments above. I�ve tried to test it by accelerating where one wheel was on ice, and the rear feels like an open diff.
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