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ROW m30 vs pss9 vs bilsteins and springs

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YOUR RESEARCHROW m30 vs pss9 vs bilsteins and springs

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Install two months ago and love the change

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I had the row m30 installed two months ago and love the change!

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Use gt3 bars

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In both cases I used GT3 bars.

ROW m30 vs pss9 vs bilsteins and springs

Recommend euro springs

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I have a friend who loves his row m30, but my mechanic recommended euro springs with bilstein shocks.

ROW m30 vs pss9 vs bilsteins and springs

Set suspension the pss9 gave me more camber in front

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It was interesting when setting the suspension the PSS9 gave me more camber in front with the adjustment maxed out.

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Use same sway bars

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They do use the same sway bars.

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Install two months ago and love the change

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I had the row m30 installed two months ago and love the change!

ROW m30 vs pss9 vs bilsteins and springs

Recommend euro springs

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I have a friend who loves his row m30, but my mechanic recommended euro springs with bilstein shocks.

ROW m30 vs pss9 vs bilsteins and springs

Set suspension the pss9 gave me more camber in front

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It was interesting when setting the suspension the PSS9 gave me more camber in front with the adjustment maxed out.

ROW m30 vs pss9 vs bilsteins and springs

Use gt3 bars

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In both cases I used GT3 bars.

ROW m30 vs pss9 vs bilsteins and springs

Use same sway bars

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They do use the same sway bars.

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POST 1 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

2000 c2 cab. I came from a 993 and the 996 feels a bit soft and floaty. Any recommendations on suspension mods. I have a friend who loves his row m30, but my mechanic recommended euro springs with bilstein shocks. . Thanks for any opinions.

POST 2Original post

If you do a search on m30 you'll see a lot of discussion on this topic. I think it mainly depends on your driving style. I had the row m30 installed two months ago and love the change!

POST 3Original post

can of worms opened....lol...i have pss9's and unless you are a serious track junky i wouldnt go with anything else....

POST 4Original post

I went with the X74 packagea and I am very happy with the results.

POST 5Original post

Alan. I realize you had the PSS9's on your car for a very short time before going X74 for auto-x rules reasons...but can you compare and contrast between the two setups? I can't ever seem to find published spring rates for the X74. Andy

POST 6Original post

First, it sounds like both your friend and your mechanic are talking close to the same thing. Find it if your friend has an M030 (US sports suspension) or a ROW M030 (European sports suspenion). They are not the same. ROW M030 is a little lower and stiffer. They do use the same sway bars. The factory sport shocks are made by Bilstein in both cases. A ROW M030 is a good compromise since the ride height is reasonable (about 1" lower), ride is firner (but tolerable), all the components are matched and it is hard to beat the price. It is a complete suspension with springs, shocks, sway bars, bushings and bump stops in a single box for about $1K. If you are looking to track your car and desire to corner weight and tune the dampening, then PSS9's are the way to go.

POST 7Original post

. Andy, With the PSS9 at near full stiff the ride on the track and street was similar to the X74. I might give the nod to the X74 on track, hard to say. For the street the PSS9 dialed to soft was a winner. In both cases I used GT3 bars. It was interesting when setting the suspension the PSS9 gave me more camber in front with the adjustment maxed out. PSS9 = -1.6, X74 = -1.1. That may be due to the PSS9 setup sitting slightly lower in the front. However, I have not gone back after the car has settled. C4SSurgeon stated that the car will settle after a few weeks and my car does look a bit lower. I don't think you could go wrong with either setup. On sale at Gert's the X74 is a very good deal.

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