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YOUR RESEARCHoil seepage on pre buy inspection
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Replace yes......i thought the plastic tubes
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Yes......I thought the plastic tubes were replaced with metal tubes and the only way to change those are dig into the motor.
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The pre buy inspection at a porsche dealer stated "minor oil leak or seepage at cylinders 5 and 6"...but the service mgr told me not to worry, it is a great, "clean" car and virtually all porsches that are 12 years old have this.
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These are old used cars, and used cars may have some issues, and used car dealers can't be held responsible for fixing or identifing any little issue that comes up.
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..I am buying from bmw used lot, porsche dealer up the road did ppi
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Clean " car and virtually all porsches
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The pre buy inspection at a porsche dealer stated "minor oil leak or seepage at cylinders 5 and 6"...but the service mgr told me not to worry, it is a great, "clean" car and virtually all porsches that are 12 years old have this.
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Buy and have it fixed -- probably not at the shop that you have been consulting with.
Hi Guys,
New I am new to the forum, signed a contract for a 2003 C4 cab (midnight blue, Tan interior) with only 19k miles, which would be my first porsche. The pre buy inspection at a porsche dealer stated "minor oil leak or seepage at cylinders 5 and 6"...but the service mgr told me not to worry, it is a great, "clean" car and virtually all porsches that are 12 years old have this. What do you think ?
Thanks,
Jack
Could be spark plug tubes.....I would ask for a more detailed answer as to what is causing the seepage because the explanation offered is BS. If you do purchase a low mile soon to be 13 year old car and start to log some decent miles make sure you have rainy day fund put aside because the garage queens show their age when you start to put them through their paces. I would also address that IMS asap. Good luck and post pics!
Agree with Pete. Best to get it diagnosed/fixed during the purchase process. At least negotiate it. Probably spark plug tubes, but leaks are like infected cuts, they only get worse unless treated. Minor leaks? At 19K? I have 134K and no leaks, although I have fixed a few. Remember while you are purchasing, you are entering a realm of major $$$ for dealer/indy engine service and repair costs if you don't DIY.
Ok, that's good. I'm still a little suspect of anyone (especially a "service manager") who says something like
"not to worry, it is a great "clean" car and virtually all porsches that are 12 years old have this"
. While it may be true, it's just an irresponsible thing to say under the circumstances. I think SP & JDB suggestions are right on. Once again good luck - I hope it works out well for you.
The report you received can be explained by everything a car salesman (dealer) tells you is intended to get you to buy the car as soon as possible and to pay as much for it as possible.
The only oil leaks my 2002 Boxster have had have been RMS (at 25K miles) and spark plug tubes at over 280K miles and I might add at ~12 years. The o-rings were just shot.
The only oil leak my 2003 Turbo has had is the RMS at around 120K miles.
Likely based on what you posted the spark plug tube o-rings is what is wrong with the car you are looking at but you need a firm high confidence level diagnosis, or better yet have the leak ID'd and fixed as a prerequisite to you buying the car.
Did you give the car a thorough check out? 15 mile test ride followed by a 15 mile test drive?
Does the transmission shift ok? Spoiler work ok? No coolant leaks?
Could be (okay, no spark plug tubes): Oil cooler seals, just on top of 5/6; or maybe oil pressure sending unit weeping. Thing is to find out exactly what is causing the minor oil leak/seepage at 5/6. Can't believe a Porsche dealer service manager won't at least give you some information so you can make a sensible decision. In the end I guess it comes down to your tolerance level for minor oil leaks...I have none. Difference is: oil cooler seals, drop engine; oil pressure sending unit, easy and inexpensive.
My 12-year-old car had some oil seeping around the cam covers. My indy addressed this and a couple of other minor issues when I acquired the car. It has since never leaked a drop of oil.
Indy indicated that this DOES happen frequently with cars that age - and he had no vested interest in lying to me, since he was not part of the transaction.
I'll try to remember to look at mine today.
The 98 Jeep Cherokee is really dirty, really dirty, and old engines start to get old and weep a little here and there. Doesn't help with the Jeep that my oil filler cap has a crack in it...
But, stuff gets old, gaskets get old, seals get old, and a little oil can make a huge mess. Although this is a perfect time for the OP to get this checked out, depending on what it is it may not be a huge deal. Also depending on the price and the dealer they may go tell a person to pound sand if they demand it's fixed before the deal can go through. These are old used cars, and used cars may have some issues, and used car dealers can't be held responsible for fixing or identifing any little issue that comes up.
I talked to the service mgr again...he told me he thinks it is the spark plug tubes, and just replace them next time plugs are changed. He said no problem for it to be a daily driver for another 40k miles till spark plugs are replaced at 60k miles, the "seepage is very minor".
Do they have spark plug tubes?
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The 3.6L engine does not have replaceable sparkplug tubes. It may be leaking from the cam cover which is much more expensive to fix than the older spark plug tubes.
Strange indeed. I will absolutely defer to someone with more knowledge of the 3.6L. I could be wrong. The parts catalog shows a spark plug connector tube for the 3.6L P/N G99660210500
http://www.autoatlanta.com/porsche-p...section=901-00
I am hoping that someone has the answer for the OP.
"I talked to the service mgr again...he told me he thinks it is the spark plug tubes, and just replace them next time plugs are changed. He said no problem for it to be a daily driver for another 40k miles till spark plugs are replaced at 60k miles".
Now you're just running around in circles with this mechanic. You really like this car I can completely understand the emotional urge to want one. What basically happened here is that you were informed by several what possibilities could be and relayed this to the mechanic. He in turn knowing the same then as he does now about the issue just confirmed that he didn't know for sure and is just agreeing with you because the issue to him is a minor mechanical fix and he thinks you are "ok" with this explanation. Is an oil leak a big deal...yes esp when you can't confirm what's causing it.
+996, the service manager is clueless. Better to get an expert PPI and then work the service manager over on any items that need to be addressed to drop the price.
Ok, then. That's a plus. Camshaft cover leak then comes in for suspicion.
To the OP: My advice still stands. Get a firm/high confidence diagnosis then decide what you want to do. Buy and have it fixed -- probably not at the shop that you have been consulting with. I should add while I was wrong about the engine having spark plug tubes I'm not the professional mechanic.
Anyhow, get it fixed or have it fixed before you buy -- in case the diagnosis turns out to be something more serious. I don't think so but one never knows.
Really the only thing it says is the car still has a "new" engine. Just 19K miles.
'course the car is 12 years old and hasn't been driven very much. Less than 1.6K miles per year on average. There can be possibly some seal(ant) shrinkage due to lack of use. (The sealant and seals like to be wet with oil every so often to help keep them from drying out. IF they dry out they shrink and that can have them leaking.) I note my 2003 Turbo bought in 2009 with just 10K miles averaged just 1667 miles/per year. The 6-speed transmission selector shaft seal leaked at around 30K miles. "New" car problem. Covered by CPO warranty. My 2002 Boxster's RMS leaked at around 25K miles but this was just one year into my ownership of the car.
Thank you for putting in the additional word for me. Now maybe people can understand and believe it. Or maybe we need more verification from additional members.
Yes......I thought the plastic tubes were replaced with metal tubes and the only way to change those are dig into the motor. No? But the more I look at it the more unlikely the metal tubes would fail.
http://www.renntech.org/forums/topic...s-2002-996911/
The air-cooled P-Cars may have "marked their territory" (leaked) but the newer ones, by and large, do not. That service manager should be beaten.
But you have already purchased it, so let us know how it works out. I truly hope it is an epic car for you.
I like the color combo.
LOL, those aren't what's referred to as "spark plug tubes". LOL, so many amateurs here...
Don't really know why peeps are arguing or confused on this. MK1 = "replaceable" spark plug tubes since they are plastic and are not permanantly attached to the engine. MK2 has a different design where the "tubes" are metal and integrated as part of the engine. MK1 tubes don't necessarily fail as sometimes it's only the o-rings that seal the tubes that deteriorate and fails. Hence the reason why leaking for the actual spark plug tubes can only happen on mk1 models.
FYI, here's the "tubes" found in mk1 US models('99-'01) in question for any newbies:
"LOL, those aren't what's referred to as "spark plug tubes". LOL, so many amateurs here..."
I apologize for "confusing" a rubber tube that directly connects to the spark plug for a "spark plug tube" that does not exist.
Thank you for the rest of your post which was actually very helpful.
I guess for some you have to spell it out as even in the original context one could get confused so technically I guess I should've included the extra word. Thank you for pointing out my error and in return, I paid you back so we're even. Let me know if you want any of my leftover blinker fluid.
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