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YOUR RESEARCH996 Warranty
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Aftermarket open bearings such as LN is splash lubricated by engine oil.
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The stock IMS is sealed and lubricated by grease and not engine oil.
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If your buying from a dealer though EasyCare is probably the way to go.
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Has anyone had experience with either of those companies, or can you recommend a warranty you currently have?
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The only sure thing that is covered by a lot of these warranty companies is the lube they use for your ****.
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I just purchased a 2003 996 Mk2 w/ 42,000 miles. I am looking to purchase an aftermarket warranty for the car. I have a quote from Direct buy warranty and Easy care. Fidelity will not warranty the car. Has anyone had experience with either of those companies, or can you recommend a warranty you currently have? My main concern is an IMS failure.
ISMB retrofit will probably cost less than the warranty, and last longer. Heck you could probably do the IMS solution for the $4000 the warranty would cost.
I understand that the IMS upgrade is roughly $2200 for my car, but I would rather spend $4000 on a big fat warranty on my car that will cover everything. If the IMS fails then that gets taken care of plus I still have the rest of my car covered.
Beware of aftermarket warranties... They rarely cover as much as you think, and it's usually a fight to get anything.
Most aftermarket warranties have language similar to what's shown below for engine coverage, and deny coverage for IMS-related damage because it is not an internally oil lubricated part. Either way, you are far better off preventing an engine problem for $1,500 or less than fighting an insurance claim for a $15k-$20K repair.
By the way, the underlying basis of the Porsche IMS lawsuit was similar, but with Porsche extended warranty... The named plantiffs had certified pre-owned (CPO) warranty cars with IMS failures and Porsche denied CPO warranty coverage to them.
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Covered Components
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Engine
- All internal components of the engine that require oil lubrication for operation....
Contact your local, trusted Porsche indy and ask what warranty company they had a positive experience with. Then contact that company and ask if they will cover IMSB failure and ask for that reply in writing. Buy that warranty that says YES in writing.
The stock IMS is sealed and lubricated by grease and not engine oil. Aftermarket open bearings such as LN is splash lubricated by engine oil.
However, whether the bearing REQUIRES engine oil lubrication is arguable...maybe it does but just doesn't get it by design...
I have an Easy Care policy that I bought through a Porsche Dealer. Easy Care has been in business since the mid eighties. I didn't get the whole works, the one step up from base warranty, which covers the engine, trans, and fuel system. I paid $2500 for 3 years or 36000 miles. Based on the numbers in the class action suit against Porsche, the failure rate for IMS shaft/bearing/cam chain gear or what ever failued...is 2%...or roughly 3500 failures out of 235,000 cars. As noted in this thread, a $2500 drive train warranty covers a lot more than just one bearing.
Consider that if you desire a car with a good warranty, maybe a 10-15 year old sports car is not the right choice. Fact is, there isn't much else that goes wrong, you don't really need a big fat warranty. The more you read here, the more you realize that the problems are greatly overstated. Failures are quite rare. Look at the IMSB as a maintenance item at clutch time and the car will last a long time.
I agree with what you're saying and I am going to do the upgrade no matter what. It's a shame the seller put in a clutch 3,000 miles ago an didn't touch the bearing, but there is no point in crying over spilled milk. I disagree, however, with your point that because I would like an aftermarket warranty I shouldn't be purchasing a 10 year old pristine car!? After market warranties are common.
Go to the Porsche Indy shop that will service your car and ask the shop owner, not the tech, about his experience with warranty claims from the service you are buying.
They know which pays and which companies jerk you off
Most new owners want a warranty to cover the worst case scenarios. My $3,000 warranty that was good for 3 years /36k miles took care of:
2 Window regulators
Serpentine Belt
Seat motor
Water Pump
Alternator
Coils
Ignition switch and assembly
+ stuff I am sure I forgot. Looking back, it paid for itself plus gave me piece of mind. The company was Protective.
Installing a replacement bearing is like buying a health insurance policy that only covers leukemia on tuesday. M96 motors will break for the same reasons any motor will break, usually due to the nut behind the wheel. After market warranties are mostly all crap (Stanley, Fidelity). Mostly. EasyCare *MAY* be the exception? If you have a mechanic your happy with, ask him/her if there is a warranty company they like. If your buying from a dealer though EasyCare is probably the way to go. It won't take much to pay back your warranty costs, a few window regulators, radiators, and oh, let's throw in an A/C compressor. Boom, you broke even. Which is about as much as you can hope for with an after market warranty. I'd recommend putting the 4 grand into a sock (or TWTR stock). Junkyard motors are down around $4500 so your all set.
I had a 1year warranty from Easycare. I got my money out of it as I had a good Service rep from the Porsche dealer I purchased car and warranty from working for me.
It was a bumper to bumper coverage ($3k three years ago) and I got two new rear tires out of it (screws in the tires) and new radio and new hood struts.
I actually only paid $1k for the warranty as part of the deal I made during purchase.
So in my case, it worked out well.
As far as the cost for IMS replacement.......I bought the parts from LN and then had the dealer install them along with new RMS, new complete clutch, new slave cylinder, new AOS.......none of the aforementioned was covered by warranty as the IMS hadn't failed.
Cost for the above work was $3k to the dealer and I believe about $600 for the parts from LN.
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