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It has a 996 3.4 liter (1999 model) motor that was bought as a crate motor from Porsche, installed (by Porsche) but never used.
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It and a matching new ECU was installed by a Porsche dealership in Tampa, FL.
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when buying/selling used/previously owned items is to mark it down at least 75% OFF (or more) from brand new retail (or list) price.
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Back some 15-20 years ago we had a very reputable Porsche repair shop and building 2.0 to 2.7L air cooled 911 engines to blueprint specs (and correcting all of the misdesign issues) would typically run in the $6-8K range.
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It has only been driven for short test drives to ensure the installation was OK.
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Back some 15-20 years ago we had a very reputable Porsche repair shop and building 2.0 to 2.7L air cooled 911 engines to blueprint specs (and correcting all of the misdesign issues) would typically run in the $6-8K range.
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As I mentioned in a previous thread I recently picked up a project Boxster race car. I'm still trying to decide whether to finish it or part it out. Although there's a lot of carbon fiber on it the most valuable part is the engine. It has a 996 3.4 liter (1999 model) motor that was bought as a crate motor from Porsche, installed (by Porsche) but never used. It has only been driven for short test drives to ensure the installation was OK. I'm guessing there's less than 50 miles on it. Any thoughts on the value of the motor if I were to part the car out?
I bet that thing worth +- $10k resale
call jack raby or something he will probably buy it from you.
they are worth $20k sealed at the dealer but I doubt anybody will want to risk buying it aside of a indy shop.
Did you buy the motor? Or it came with the car? Either way, start with price from Porsche and depreciate accordingly...my
personal role of thumb
when buying/selling used/previously owned items is to mark it down at least 75% OFF (or more) from brand new retail (or list) price.
So in short, agree with
philoo
: +/- $10K
Tough call with no warranty. Some are telling you $10k but honestly for $10k I'd rather pay someone to rebuild my 2002 3.6 then at least I'm certain of what I'm getting. Plus I would guess my rebuild would come with some kind of warranty.
The motor came with the car. It and a matching new ECU was installed by a Porsche dealership in Tampa, FL.
I did get a quote for a new engine from Porsche which was 19.5k for the engine plus 10.5k if you don't have a rebuildable core.
I'm guessing that you're not going to get much of a warranty from a rebuilder unless you go with the high-end (expensive) like Jake. Even he only offers one year and that is with some pretty significant requirements like no tracking, oil samples...
If I had a 3.4 and it needed replacing and I loved the car and wanted to keep it, then $10k (half price) for a new factory-rebuilt engine would be very tempting, ASSUMING you could convince me that it was really brand new. You could accomplish that with A) receipts and B) a contact at the servicing dealership that I was able to speak with. If the warranty (2yr) was in any way transferable that would be a significant plus, although I doubt it would be if the engine was uninstalled and reinstalled in a different car. If the car and dealer were local to me that would probably tip it, rather than at the other end of the country.
There are not many rebuilders out there that I would trust and the ones that are well known and verifiably reputable, well, $10k may not get you what is in effect a basically new engine along with everything attached to it. A rebuilder will generally reattach existing external components rather than replace as the factory does. (I could be mistaken in this regarding rebuilders).
If someone like Jake would then be willing to buy my hyopthetical core from me, that'd be icing on the cake of woe.
As a last point, didn't Suncoast or Sunset recently have a 25% off sale on reman'd factory crate motors?
I know someone who will buy the 3.4, he is not willing to wait 9 months for my engine.
Also, I always need core engines and I pay cash for them and make sure the transaction is smooth, we even handle shipping.
Yes, my engines offer a one year warranty, there are only 3 conditions:
-No track time (so we don't end up in a finger pointing exercise when someone misses a shift)
-Only use our engine oils (These are GIVEN to the purchaser for the entire year) and samples must be submitted at each oil service
-No over revs
Thats it. We don't need a warranty, in fact I've only had to make one warranty repair in the history of the program, and remember, we started the M96 engine revolution well before others even thought about it.
No, just very, very few of them are online and even fewer on forums. Thats why I laugh when people say I come here because I get business from here, because it couldn't be further from accurate. Most of our work is sent to us from other shops or dealerships that have thrown their hands in the air and given up.
FWIW, I'd have zero confidence in any shop that would "rebuild" a 996 engine for $10K. Back some 15-20 years ago we had a very reputable Porsche repair shop and building 2.0 to 2.7L air cooled 911 engines to blueprint specs (and correcting all of the misdesign issues) would typically run in the $6-8K range. I'd guess that labor rates since then have at least doubled - maybe even tripled. So for $10K to tear down a 996 engine and then just slap it back together again, a real crap shoot that even that was done correctly.
Parts and processes to create one of my engines cost 14k... That's not counting any assembly or my machine work.
We see lots of these 10k engines these days, it's a lit different than in the early days when we were the only people tearing into these engines and everything was a virgin. Today the amount of engines that have been molested is staggering and we generally can't even use them as cores to work from...
It's only going to get worse. You will always get what you pay for. People usually have to experience this to understand it.
Just like this fellow did:
http://www.flat6innovations.com/inde...a-bad-decision
I've decided to offer this engine for sale at 10k with a rebuildable core or 12k without. If you guys want in before I post it in the classifieds / ebay send me a pm. These prices are FIRM, if I don't get that I'll just finish the Boxster build. If I sell the motor I'll be listing various CF parts soon afterwards too BTW.
To be clear, this is not a 10k rebuild like Jake is talking about but a virtually new engine.
Very good price on this engine.. Especially considering the current core charges.
After the current crate engine inventory is gone there will be no more, just short blocks...
