GT3 with Bi-Xenons - Yes or No?

I have tentatively decided not to order Bi-Xenons, first because I don't want the extra weight and maintenance complexity, and second because I have had a bad experience with the sharp low-beam cutoff mask on my ex car which I felt compromised visibility significantly. But I have not driven with Porsche Bi-Xenons, so maybe this is less of a problem. What do you think?

Wouldn't live without them!

I love xenons but how many years did people go without them. If you dont want them, dont get them.

You still get a sharp cutoff compared to normal headlights.

Sharp cutoff really only applies to low beam mode, in high beam mode the incandescent high beam bulbs come on and the HID are moved upward about 1 degree. I'm 62, can't live without them.... Extra weight will be minor, a pound or so, and maintenance will be significantly lower, HID lamps have a much longer lifetime than incandescent, so you only need worry about the high beam bulb life.

On MY02+ HIDs on both the high and low beams - Bi Xenon.

What's the difference in weight? Roy

Roy, I don't know what the weight difference is, but it can't be more than a pound or so. I removed one of mine once and it was very light (3 or 4 pounds maybe on the high side)

It's GT3 and if they add weight don't get them. This (GT3) is how IMO all 996s should be (in principle), especially if you're getting it with Clubsport package so adding extra weight like Porsche nowadays does so much makes no sense. You're getting a real driver's Porsche so why start tampering it with extra weight. I know it's propably not much but look nat ormal 996's weight and you'll see that all those 'great' luxury items add weight... BTW, are cupholders an option in GT3? Just curious because I think they shouldn't.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">BTW, are cupholders an option in GT3? Just curious because I think they shouldn't.[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Cupholders aren't an option on the GT3, they are standard. The option is if you want to get them covered in leather or not. Karl

That is very sad that Porsche is offering Cup Holders in any model let alone the GT3. How much weight was taken off the old Gt3 from the 996 model in its day?

The GT3 has the new glovebox too which IMHO is silly. The 3.4L 996 is still about 50 kgs lighter then the 993 though.

Each HID igniter module weights about 6 ounces. So if you include the approximate weight of the leveling/position servomotors my guess is the total HID package would add no more than two pounds.

Just found out that the GT3 in the US will have AC as a no charge option. So for those of you that are worried about every pound, leave off the AC, replace the US sport seats with the ROW GT3 seats, and you should be able to shave off another 100 lbs. Karl

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Karl S: <strong>Just found out that the GT3 in the US will have AC as a no charge option. So for those of you that are worried about every pound, leave off the AC, replace the US sport seats with the ROW GT3 seats, and you should be able to shave off another 100 lbs.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Karl, A/C is standard equipment on the new GT3. It is not an option.

Viken, I beg to differ. It is not shown in the order guide but when my saleman went to place my order today, he had to add AC as a N/C option. The option code is 573 and I have a copy of the order. If you leave off this option code, you don't get AC, same as with the European models. Karl

Same with the sunroof?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Karl S: <strong>Cupholders aren't an option on the GT3, they are standard. The option is if you want to get them covered in leather or not. Karl</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Oh no... This is what I mean.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Rob in WA: <strong>Same with the sunroof?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">No sunroof on the GT3, even as an option. You can order a full leather roof liner to replace the standard Alcantra one, and you can get the seat belt covers in aluminum look, wood, or carbon. Karl

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Karl S: <strong>I beg to differ. It is not shown in the order guide but when my saleman went to place my order today, he had to add AC as a N/C option. The option code is 573 and I have a copy of the order. If you leave off this option code, you don't get AC, same as with the European models.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">How did your salesman place the order? US dealers don't even have allocations yet? It is my understanding that PCNA has yet to accept orders on the GT3. BTW, option M573 is for A/C and M574 is for no A/C. This is only applicable to ROW cars which are also available without automatic climate control (rotary *****). AFAIK, our cars will come standard with the auto climate control just like the rest of the 996 models. <img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/GT3_HVAC.jpg" alt=" - " />

Viken wrote: "It is my understanding that PCNA has yet to accept orders on the GT3." Certainly jives with what my dealer is telling me. On the allocation front, my impression from talking with my dealer is that dealers are now hearing from their Porsche reps in a non-official way on getting cars.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Karl S: <strong>No sunroof on the GT3, even as an option...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Now you're talking!

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Viken: <strong>How did your salesman place the order? US dealers don't even have allocations yet? It is my understanding that PCNA has yet to accept orders on the GT3. BTW, option M573 is for A/C and M574 is for no A/C. This is only applicable to ROW cars which are also available without automatic climate control (rotary *****). AFAIK, our cars will come standard with the auto climate control just like the rest of the 996 models.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I didn't watch him type it in but I have a fax of the order print out from PCNA. It has an order reference number on it and a list of options and colors. The order status is listed as ACPORD. The option list includes 573 which is A/C with full climate control, so apparently there is an option to leave this off. Either that or the system forces them to enter it, even though it is standard. I'll ask my salesman to attempt to enter the order with a 574 and see what happens, if he can. Karl

I was told, yesterday, that PCNA is has not given allocations and they cannot key in an order until they do. The dealer went on to tell me they are a "top 1/3rd" dealer and will get an early car, June build. They said a few dealers will get May builds... June build allocations will be given in April?? Maybe Karl has a May build which would allocate in March?? Roy

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Karl S: <strong>The option list includes 573 which is A/C with full climate control, so apparently there is an option to leave this off. Either that or the system forces them to enter it, even though it is standard.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I would guess it is the latter. Porsche is known to often include option numbers of certain items on cars which otherwise are sold with these items as standard. I.E. sunroof and cruise control are standard on most US Porsche cars while the option codes are still listed on the production order.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by RWO: <strong>Maybe Karl has a May build which would allocate in March?? Roy</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Roy, You could be right but the salesman told me it was a June build. I'll give him a call and ask if they actually have an allocation and also about whether they can input an order with 574 (no A/C) or not. I'm certainly no expert at the inner workings of PCNA, so I'll go to the "horse's mouth". Karl

ha ha, this reminds me of my backpacking days...seeing people saw off the handles to their toothbrushes to save wait in their backpacks, but then they have 5 extra pounds of fat around their waist. maybe never fill up your gas tank...that will save lots of weight. : )

OK, here's the latest: - Every dealer is getting one GT3 for April production. These cars are to be specified at this time. It would be my guess that Karl is getting this very first car from his dealer. - There is NO delete AC option. AC and automatic climate control (option M573) are standard and cannot be deleted from the ordering system.

FYI... I have an option to place an order Tommorrow from dealer for their 1st "Slot",this car has been ordered buy them w/temp. specs which can be changed if I do it by mid next week! However since I'm within weeks to several months from buying 2nd home Fla., I told them I'd rather have their 2nd "slot"(as they refer to it), which means that I've got to do some fancy foot work within appx 30-40 days (If at all)! Dealers w/ "slots/allocations" ARE placing orders w/ the factory NOW! Help spread the word.. My 2002 C2 is FOR SALE! Listed in Rennlist classifieds.. Make an OFFER! E-mail me here or @ [email removed] Thanks Bill

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Viken: <strong>OK, here's the latest: - Every dealer is getting one GT3 for April production. These cars are to be specified at this time. It would be my guess that Karl is getting this very first car from his dealer. - There is NO delete AC option. AC and automatic climate control (option M573) are standard and cannot be deleted from the ordering system.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I hope your right about the April build. I called my salesperson, who said the zone rep told him it was a June build but he didn't seem to know for sure. I asked him to check, but who knows. He thinks A/C delete is an option, so I told him I wanted to change my order. I'll see if he gets it through. If he does, I'm going to change it back to A/C but I just want to see if it's possible. Karl