I have to ask

First let me say I am a car guy, always have been. I belong to forums for other cars I own and participate in them regularly. I started looking around here because I am in the market for a 996, I think this is a really nice looking car with nice performance and the drive-ability I am looking for. I have a question for so many on here that complain about the 996. I don't mean to be rude at all so do not take it that way. Why if so many here complain about these cars for a multitude of engine issues does everyone have one? Please be honest because the more time I spend on here the less I want a 996 and I have admired them for a long time. I could buy a newer Corvette but love the looks of the 996 much more, so please, please, can all of you driving these 996's tell me why you have them.

You have to realize that this is a problem solving board, so people make posts here with issues. Most 996 owners drive them and enjoy them without worrying about their engine disintegrating. That being said, I love 996 ownership. It has been a fantastic car with very few problems other than wear and tear. I love the way the car looks. I love the driving experience. The 996 is one of the best values available in pre-owned performance car.

Don't be dismayed. The 996 is a great car. Internet forums attract whiners and this place is no different. I look at it this way, if you go to a doctor's office, then you'll find sick people. Go to an internet forum and you'll find people whining. Be patient, do your research and there are some awesome 996s out there and you'll not regret it. I'm the second owner of my 996, had it almost 9 years, done nothing other than change fluids, brakes, tires and clutch. It's the most reliable car I've ever owned and have absolutely no regrets.

141,000+ miles on my 996. It is my daily driver and I am amazed at how well it performs and how comfortable it is. I think the problem is that Porsche owners can be obsessive about their cars, so faults get magnified and every tiny imperfection leads to a repair as opposed to "living with it" like you would with lesser cars. Perfectly good parts get replaced because they "might" fail.

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We have people here that have honed this insanity to an extreme - their opinions on reliability are not worth much and are the people who are most vocal.

Most enthusiast forums have a large technical bent...I find this one no different. As said, two types of people show up: those with questions, and those with answers. It's just that simple. The term "enthusiast" is key: enthusiastic owners who are concerned over their cars...in this case 996's. When a person buys into the Pcar world, they do so with enthusiasm for the breed, and temerity for the experience and "cost of membership". That's not unique to the Porsche 996. Guys spend $25k on late model cars and never join any forums...why? Because they are not enthusiasts . Guys spend $25K on a Pcar, join a board and ask questions regarding their fears, their potential costs, etc...nothing unusual at all. .02

What draws some to Porsche sports cars, including myself, is Porsche's history, it's approach to engineering, flat-six engines, and either mid or rear engine layout. The gradual evolution of the 911 shape seems to have an appeal that other sports car lines lack. The 996 is one of the best modern Porsche buys available.

Just a last thought on this. I'll share something said on a BMW ///M forum I've been on for 5 years: " Rich guys buy these cars and just write the check for all maintenance, you'll never see them posting here. Car guys buy these cars and want to know what makes them tick, and how to avoid $150/hour shop fees..." It may not translate directly, but the general sentiment is likely as true here as it is over there on that board. * I have loved the 911 from afar my whole life. I've never had a rear-engine car before, so it's unfamiliar to me. My wife really loves them and recently drove a 997 at a track...so this 996 is her Christmas present. I must say, I really love the look-but the handling is otherworldly compared to my ///M car.

A good friend of mine has a 2002 Z06 - a very comparable car to my 996. After driving his for most of a day, then getting back in mine, 2 thoughts stuck in my mind: the 996 felt underpowered; and it felt amazingly nimble. A 996 is quick by most standards, but there's no substitute for the displacement of an American V8 engine. However, as a "driver's car", Porsche products are hard to beat. My 996 has been my daily driver for 6 years. It's needed hardly any maintenance, puts a smile on my face, and I'd be hard pressed to think of a car I'd enjoy more at twice the price. I suggest that you drive a few - that experience may help you decide on what you want.

996 is a great grand-tourer. Ignore the BS you find here about 500 mile oil changes, and IMS hysteria. Buy the car, DRIVE the car, and enjoy the car. Porsches do not take well to sitting. Browse around the forums here, big majority of cars having catastrophic continuous problems are the garage queens and cars that do not get driven regularly. Well used, daily driven 996: Garage Queen 996: If I come to you and offer you an investment that yields 50% return per year (996), and has 90-95% chance to hit that 50% mark, would you run away to your bank for safe 0.5% APY annuity (Toyota Camry)?

I'd hit the daily driven one.

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+996 ignore the self serving glory hounds.

I had the same concerns during my two-year search and contemplated 3.2's, 964's, 996's and 997's. I lurked on Rennlist reading the good and the bad and landed on what so far has been a reliable 996 which was a garage queen (18K miles when I purchased it). I think every generation has their shortcomings and maybe the 996 has the most glaring but it's a GREAT car.

Like many before have said, this forum is full of people trying to solve problems, or avoid them if they have hit the interwebs and started reading up on their cars, or their prospective cars. Unfortunately, there is a HUGE data skew here when it comes to what is reported here versus actuality. As mentioned, if only people in Doctor's offices were queried about their overall health, we would think that there was an epidemic, when in reality most of the population is healthy (at least in this example). So, this forum draws in a lot of people with fears, concerns, etc. I was referred to this forum by a buddy that is a huge car guy, and I think it's one of the best parts of 996 ownership. It's probably difficult as an outsider, but you will quickly learn who has paranoia about their cars and who doesn't. Not judging, just saying. Now, to your other question, why did I buy one? I have wanted a 911 since I was 8 years old. A guy that lived at the end of my street drove a 930 Turbo and drove it by my house every afternoon/evening. I could hear it before I could see it and I would stop what I was doing when I was outside to watch it go by. HOOKED. Flash foward 25 or so years, I was in the position to add another car to the stable. Not a daily driver (although it certainly could be) and started looking. I was suprised by the prices, and the more I read, the more I liked the ease of ability to work on them. Like you, I can do the basic stuff, but have never dropped an engine, or done a top end rebuild. I've had my 996 almost 2 years (22 months) and have had a water pump go out on it, and a window regulator that is getting finnicky. Other than that, I have had no problems. For about $275 and 5 hours of my time I replaced the water pump using the knowledge I learned here and a YouTube video. I plan to do the same with the regulator when I get some time. Take your time, ask questions here or otherwise, and whatever you do get a PPI of the car you are looking at. There are a lot of 996's out there, some well used, some barely used. Once you find the one you want, buy it, drive it as often as you can, and enjoy it, they are great cars. DS

Not all of us (996 owners) are unhappy with our Porsches. I happen to enjoy my C2 and its reliability after 7 years of ownership and find that my 14 year old car is as much fun now as it was the day I brought it home. This is my 3rd Porsche and by far it is the best I've owned.

The worst 996 is still better than the best Toyota Camry. Life is to short to drive boring cars =) Do your homework and you wont regret it

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^^^I like the pictures ...and I love both my Porsches, there is nothing else quite like them in their class. It's been said earlier in this thread go into a doctors waiting room and you can conclude that 10% of the population has cancer, 40% high blood pressure, the other 50% have a cold and 100% want to live.

13 years and counting on our 996 and it's been quite reliable. Only complaint is that it doesn't get driven enough. How it's stood up to us over the years was a big factor in getting my Cayenne last year. I think the key is to be aware of the known issues, but don't stress over them. As indicated already, look for the well used example over the garage queen and you'll probably be better off. And always remember the key to happy P-Car ownership. Drive it like you stole it

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This reminded me of this.......it has both ice cream and cars.. The Penguin Joke Told By Monkeys - Hilarious - YouTube

996 are good cars, just remember to take care of it and it will take care of you.

If we are to believe everything we see in the news and read from the internet, then the bigger question is why buy any German car? Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, VW... they all certainly seem to have some great driving dynamics engineered into them, but they all certainly seem to lack any reliability or durability built into them - again, if we believe everything we see and hear. I agree with all of the posts above, and in particular TSMcneil - most of the Porsche owners I know don't know a forum even exists, and for the rest of us, we sweat over it!

if ya wanna go fast get the corvette...if ya wanna look fast get the po

I had a 2005 Corvette C6 and really enjoyed it for cruising and leaving traffic lights. But when it comes to a switchback road through the mountains in North Georgia - hands down the 996. As for maintenance, the Corvette was a little better on the pocketbook... My Pcar was purchased with 32k miles on it in 2011 (almost 2 years ago)... Now has 62k miles, all local and it's been very reliable.

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Amen! 105k on the clock and 5 years of ownership I'd have to say every moment I drive this car is still filled with excitement!

Well, here's a spew of random observations and postulations that may or may not make sense to anyone else... here goes. When I drive my Corvette (which is a nuthin' special '96), I get the Corvette wave from just about every other 'Vette driver. It doesn't matter if they're driving a collectible C2 or an awesome ZR-1, there's a sense of camaraderie that just isn't present among Porsche drivers. We Porsche drivers are intra-brand snobs - i.e. if you don't drive a 911, it isn't a real Porsche, if it's not air-cooled, it's not a real Porsche, Boxsters are for the ladies, blah blah blah...there's some degree of this standoffishness/egoism/whatever reflected in the forums. I also submit that many of the Porsche forums are populated by owners , rather than enthusiasts. By this I mean that a great many Porsche owners derive their pleasure from owning the car, rather than whatever they DO with the car, and this lends some artificial sanctity to the car. Nobody on a Corvette forum accuses you of heresy if you decide to add a 100 shot of nitrous, replace the stock suspension with coilovers, or make some other modification. You just don't hear the same "if [modification] was such a great idea, [manufacturer] would have shipped the car that way" nonsense that you hear on this and other Porsche forums. Finally, I think that many/most Porsche drivers are afraid of their cars. A new pattern of oil spots on the garage floor under the Corvette, or a rough idle, means that I have something new to poke at next weekend...it doesn't automatically mean that I panic, call the mechanic, and hire a flatbed tow truck. Questions posed on Porsche forums often have a degree of panic about them that I don't see reflected elsewhere. Some of this anxiety is fueled by people who acquire used 996s for cheap and then start to freak out about potential costs if something goes wrong. This is in no way an indictment of Porsche owners at large - there are some great contributors on this site, really cool people in my local PCA region, some spectacular shade-tree mechanics, and some incredibly accomplished drivers. I'm making some broad generalizations in an attempt to explain the different "vibe" that I've observed on various Porsche forums and what I think you're describing when you ask about the panic/obsession/self-deprecation here in the 996 forum.

I like my 996 'cause it's purdy!

I have to say I am getting a completely different feel from this post. Feeling better about looking for the right car. I am know slouch around cars, restored a few, have no problems rebuilding american muscle car engines and pretty much anything else. However, I have never worked on German stuff, I guess there's a first time for everything. I am feeling good, thanks to everyone here for reassuring me. Now I just need to find the perfect 996 C4S.

Amen, brother - not an indictment, just observation. mine as well. "Well, here's a spew of random observations and postulations that may or may not make sense to anyone else... here goes. When I drive my Corvette (which is a nuthin' special '96), I get the Corvette wave from just about every other 'Vette driver. It doesn't matter if they're driving a collectible C2 or an awesome ZR-1, there's a sense of camaraderie that just isn't present among Porsche drivers. We Porsche drivers are intra-brand snobs - i.e. if you don't drive a 911, it isn't a real Porsche, if it's not air-cooled, it's not a real Porsche, Boxsters are for the ladies, blah blah blah...there's some degree of this standoffishness/egoism/whatever reflected in the forums. I also submit that many of the Porsche forums are populated by owners , rather than enthusiasts. By this I mean that a great many Porsche owners derive their pleasure from owning the car, rather than whatever they DO with the car, and this lends some artificial sanctity to the car. Nobody on a Corvette forum accuses you of heresy if you decide to add a 100 shot of nitrous, replace the stock suspension with coilovers, or make some other modification. You just don't hear the same "if [modification] was such a great idea, [manufacturer] would have shipped the car that way" nonsense that you hear on this and other Porsche forums. Finally, I think that many/most Porsche drivers are afraid of their cars. A new pattern of oil spots on the garage floor under the Corvette, or a rough idle, means that I have something new to poke at next weekend...it doesn't automatically mean that I panic, call the mechanic, and hire a flatbed tow truck. Questions posed on Porsche forums often have a degree of panic about them that I don't see reflected elsewhere. Some of this anxiety is fueled by people who acquire used 996s for cheap and then start to freak out about potential costs if something goes wrong. This is in no way an indictment of Porsche owners at large - there are some great contributors on this site, really cool people in my local PCA region, some spectacular shade-tree mechanics, and some incredibly accomplished drivers. I'm making some broad generalizations in an attempt to explain the different "vibe" that I've observed on various Porsche forums and what I think you're describing when you ask about the panic/obsession/self-deprecation here in the 996 forum. "

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+996. I couldn't have said it better. Bolded the highlights that resonated with me for the lazy folks.

Mark you have the good and the bad side. If you purchase hopefully all works out for you.

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These are incredible cars, and an amazing value. Or, is it amazing cars and an incredible value? They are made for driving, which distinguishes them from most exotics. Many of us on these forums drive them a great deal, indeed. I also get waves from other Porsche owners -- all the time -- including the 991 and air-cooled sets.

I have a 2002 C4S and simply love it Have been a long time BMW driver and finally got into a $$$ situation to get into my dream car I always wanted an air cooled one - 964 being my favourite, but decided on a more daily driven friendly model Chose the C4S, not because of the AWD but because of the looks and specs I'm an *** man, and this thing has an *** to die for It is simply awesome, despite what the forum mongers say about RMS, IMS, etc What other car do you know that looks so sexy, goes like stink, is still controllable and you can have so much fun with it at legal speeds I tried a 996TT but just couldn't find anywhere to really enjoy it, when you get into it and look at the speedo you're already going illegal speeds I'd rather have a car that can be exploited at slower speeds but still hold it's own in the triple digits I drive it day in day out, here the weather is plus 30 C in the summer and often colder than -30 C in the winter ( Celsius!) It just keeps on going It is so much more refined than any BMW, and I have owned tons, last daily driver was an E34 M5, it has lots of go, good options, sounds awesome, handles like a dream, 320hp is more than enough (I've owned plenty of domestics too) My 6 yr old kid fits in the back, stuff fits in the frunk, I go camping, skiing, dates with the mrs, and just plain driving for the fun of it Couldn't be happier I say go for it, you'll never regret it Porsche - there is no substitute

I have experienced a little "Porsche-snobbery". I have experienced the "Corvette Club" waves too. Most recently, I have been involved with vintage BMW "purists" who scoff at modifying anything unless it is a "generally accepted modification". I dunno. I'm tickled to finally have a Porsche, and yes, I'm a little afraid too. I'm a gizmo-guy in that I know airplane stuff, and some limited BMW stuff...very little Pcar stuff. Good news though...my hardbound Bentley has been delivered- and that will help me get acquainted.

Like you, I also read the horror stories and still bought one. Why? Because I always wanted to own/drive one. And from reading your post, safe to say you're in the same boat Life is short. You only have one life to live.

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Currently(and slowly) restoModding a 2002tii so I know the feeling...

Lots of great information here to consider. To get back to your original question however, you have to remember 996s are at least 10 years old now. Many have been well maintained but some haven't, and like any machine designed for performance, mechanical issues become more common with age and miles. And if you don't turn your own wrench, repairs can be costly, in some cases very costly. I think Corvettes are great cars, but they approach performance from a different perspective than Porsche. That's more an issue of personal preference. And the best advice I see all the time on this forum to prospective buyers of P-cars is buy the newest your wallet will permit.

Buy it, drive, enjoy it, every day come rain or shine. 2000,130k daily driver, original engine biggest work required new front diff under warranty and a new water pump just!

Mark, you have to consider that many NA 996 models were $80,000 to $90,000 MSRP when they were new. Replacement parts do not depreiciate like the 996's purchase price. In fact, many parts are increasing in cost or becoming NLA. Granted you might be able to purchase what appears to be a nice 996 in the $20,000 range you must also realize a replacement engine is now over $40,000. So you are basically one CEF from having a blown engine rolling chasis worth @ $6000. The best and most honest advice anyone here can give you is: 1. Look for and purchase the best 996 you can afford. 2. Know how to do your own repairs. 3. If you cant do 1 or 2, buy a Toyota.

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For what engine? And where do you shop?

Alpy, it doesnt matter if you check at a Porsche dealer or AA Porsche. Same result. You had to have known this, right? 3.4l -01 Carrera Man - Genuine Porsche G99610099602 Known as: replacement engine $47,017.49 3.6l 05 996 Carrera - Genuine Porsche G99610099630 Known as: replacement engine $49,596.79

Suncoast had them for ~$15k during a recent 25% off sale. Even off sale, they're nowhere near $40k. I still don't know how you get $40k

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He is quoting the dealer price for brand new engine from Porsche AG. I really don't get why KK even owns the car. All he does is complain about the reliability, high prices, and posts same negative **** in every thread.

Spend $20k on PM abuse over the next few years and countless hours working on a car that ain't broke and then spend all his time bitchin on here... OR Sell the car and spend the extra $20k on a Turbo or GT3 car and enjoy driving all that time. Seems like a no brainer to me but I also know not everyone is rational on here.

Option 3: Sell the car, buy a cardboard cutout of same car, put cardboard cutout in the garage where the car used to be. Option 4: Sell the motor for $10K and make someone else's day, put the roller on display in the living room as threatened in previous posts, and everyone wins.

Option5: http://dc.img.v4.skyrock.net/dc9/fri...3514_small.jpg

There is always the choice of an after market warranty. You can look at it as insurance with the benefit that it actually pays for something. A water pump and a couple of window regulators and you are at a break even point. For KK: Yes...those prices are if you take your car to an Indy or a Dealer. Not everyone has the time, tools, space or skills to tinker like you do, so please don't repost your usual ****.

Gonzo, I see you also have an 03. Just wait until you start replacing your coolant hoses and we'll see what a 996 fan you are.

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You are pretty bitter. You must of got one hell of a lemon. Was your car tracked before or during your ownership? Or maybe the previous owner just didn't maintain it? You seem to have had more problems than most combined.

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That's BS. You can say that about any 10 year old car. Not just a 996. I call that "maintenance" and I am pretty sure that is a requirement of any car that I would own. It breaks. I fix.

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You would think. But you would be wrong.

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you have asked some questions and got some opines.not all po owners think they [the car] are a gift from the gods. my advice repeated. IF YA WANNA GO REAL FAST GET A CORVETTE. IF YA JUST WANNA LOOK FAST TO YOUR NEIGHBORS GET THE PO

I agree. Your really doing the OP an injustice by sugar coating the COST OF OWNERSHIP. Im not saying they are a POS, Im standing by my post about COST OF PARTS/PM vs. purchase price for the 996. Go ahead and say Im full of BS but any 996 owner knows this is simply not the case. Mark, the 996 is 14 to 10 years old, depending on MK1 or 2. Do you have any clue what some of the parts cost? Do you have any clue on what can go wrong with a semi-supercar of this age? If your not handy with a wrench wait until you check shop rates. You may want to do some very basic research on your own concerning the 996 NA. Jake Raby F6I is a good place to start.

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Ban. Lifetime Ban.

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Dude, I've not commented on your posts before, but I've been reading your drivel since you arrived. Your name sums you up pretty well. You really are off the charts with your Porsche paranoia. I've known some really paranoid pieces of work, but your fear of something breaking is off the charts. You have some pretty good wrenching skills, which I'm guessing is fueled by your fear, but we all know that a 911 really isn't the right car for you. The sooner you admit it and move on the better. My 911 is significantly older than yours and I've owned mine a lot longer (yes, I was one of those 996 owners that bought when they were still new and expensive) and I'm still singing it's praises as the the most reliable car I've ever owned. It really is that simple. Sure, there have been some unlucky owners that have been burned, but even in the case of IMS, it was a relatively small percentage that was affected. The hype, noise and fear was way out of whack with the relative risk. No offense intended in this post, but it's time for you to realize that your perspective on Porsche and the 996 is not in the mainstream.

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+996,000

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Pretty handy with a wrench. Here is a video montage of my last restoration. Camaro Start to Finish - YouTube I think I am qualified to own this highly expensive, constantly breaking unreliable POS you keep referring to. Seems like pretty much everyone on here disagrees with you, and again maybe you are unlucky. You do spend a lot of time bashing these cars. Any car whether it a muscle car, track car, drag car or street exotic is going to cost money to maintain especially if you are a car guy, we tend to look for things to fix. If it happens that I am as unlucky as you, I was warned and will consider as the cost of admission. However I plan on on driving it like I stole it and not looking back, if I break something it gets fixed like all my cars do; in time, at my pace, by me or qualified technicians.

Oh, please. Less drama Gonzo. I never name call or dis others opinions. Mark, then you will be fine. Just be prepared for the difference in parts price compared to Chevy. Great build BTW. Wish you would have talked about the car instead of the music.

KK, you're not married to this and you're certainly not bound to the "til death do us apart". This isn't your wife so please do us and yourself a favor and sell that thing and step up to a Turbo or GT3. As per your logic, why try to put band aids in an engine that is already flawed from the start?

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Up until now, its all been in good fun...but your posts in this thread are clearly designed to scare the OP out of buying a 996. The fact that your other posts make you seem like you know what you are talking about mechanically adds some sense of credibility to your opinions. As wrong as they are. I would hate to think someone like the OP, or others who are searching the internet would actually factor in your opinions and not buy a 996. That would be a shame. Your attempts to get attention by creating your idiotic threads have become tiring to me and I would think many, many others. Replace your hoses, clean your engine, cheerlead for JR...fine. But quit the scaremongering. BTW...what has actually gone wrong with your car (and preventative maintenance doesn't count)? These are awesome cars. Just because you don't think so, that's fine. Since you really don't like your 996 you really should sell it and move on to your next project. I'm thinking you would be happy all day posting in the Jaguar Forums.

10-4 to that Gonzo......I think the Krapster has Porsche Munchhausen.

"Now I just need to find the perfect 996 C4S." Saw one today at Paul Miller Porsche in Parsippany, NJ. Silver w Navi.

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Sums it up pretty well. I've done a good job of holding my tongue and ignoring his idiocy, but this last one just pushed me over the edge. I'm tired of it and it's junk like his posts that prompted me to visit this place less often. I just got absolutely sick and tired of the baseless fear mongering and obsession over the same old topics. Enough! People come here and they think that these cars are worse than Pintos! The drama is way out of line with reality and unfairly maligns an amazing car. New or potential buyers get freaked out are given incorrect information due to this churn that has no bearing on a true risk analysis. Totally cracks me up. As I said in the post above, the cost of ownership for my car has been negligible... tires every 2 years. Brakes, I think I've replaced the set once. Annual oil change and inspection. Clutch after 76,000 miles. I know that all of my other cars, including my incredibly "low cost of ownership" Hondas, Fords, Acuras have cost me more than that on an annual basis. I wish my other cars cost so little to own. Lighten up Francis!

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Nice looking C4S you have there.

Wow...and I thought this kind of $hit only happened in the ///M forums. I bought a 996 last month. I bought it for a Christmas present for my wife. She loves it. Yes, it's not new...yes it's not factory perfect.. .yes it may need repairs going forward. So does my M3....so does my BMW e34...so does my almost new Ford product. Duh- It's a machine, they break, they fail...they need attention. Get with it, or get a Honda you can ignore and still be proud of... WTH? derp

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That's a cabrio, looking for a coupe of course.

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Glad to hear someone else camps with their C4S. Last weekend with Cub/Boy Scout camp in rural Pennsylvania - 15 degrees F Sent from my iPhone using Rennlist

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Part of the problem is that some of these people buy a car that they can't afford to repair if it breaks, so they obsess about the worst case scenario. One of the realities of buying a $80+K car for $20K is that the repairs are still those of an $80+K car. If it breaks, then parts and labor can be expensive and they live in fear of that. As you said, all machines break, so if they can't afford the repairs, then they would have been off not getting into ownership, rather than obsessing over the small percentage of times that something goes wrong and it gets expensive. They would have been better off buying a Ford. I'm also an M3 owner (E90) and BMW really knows how to do expensive maintenance, they should get a feel for that some time.

So Wellard, since I posted this in the thread days ago, you actually agree with me? I think we all know what happened to Sgt. Hulka. Ironic you used his quote.

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I've made those comments many times before and I do agree with you. I see you as being terrified of your car breaking. You need to chill out and drive it without worrying about what might happen. The chances of it happening are very low, as the car is extremely reliable. You have taken OCD on this topic to an entirely new level. At first it was amusing, but after 2 or 3 years I think you can see that many around here don't find it amusing any more. Thge old timers will know the story of Ben Choi. He was an annoying pain in the *** that eventually got himself banned by causing fights and pissing everyone off. I look at your posts as an incideous version of his. I mean this in the best possible way and come with the spirit of being helpful. I've ignored your comments until now, but I see your attitude as being damaging and confusing to new and potential owners. Your comments perpetuate fear and misinformation and that does not help any of us. Time to chill on this topic. If you can't control your fear, then either sell your call and move on or learn to control it on this forum, as I hope you can tell that you're not in the mainstream and you're hurting yourself.

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C'mon man, you know you bought it for yourself too and you love it as well. That's like saying I bought the Playstation4 for my 3yo and he loves it. Haha.

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Yeah...guilty as charged. lol