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YOUR RESEARCH30k service
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I had changed the air filter on my own previously.
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They replaced the air mass sensor under warranty and fixed a fuse problem that I had.
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They also replaced the mass air sensor and the radiator cap under warranty.
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750 to a grand for oil filter/oil change and air filter change is total theivery.
You can do it yourself for $65 oil + oil filter. You can get a k&n high flow air filter for $80 bucks, it is a simple job to change it.
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Dealers are theives.
$105.69 for my 1997 Boxster 30k service - same as your 996 - but I did it myself. Plugs are good for 60k so subtract $30.00. Jeff
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$750 for 30k Service????????? Please tell me that they are doing more than changing the oil and the air filter. IF not ...it is just insane.
Bill Karan
Miami Beach, FL
I don't work for a dealer, but I resent the implication that dealers are theives.
Dealers have a tremendous amount of capital invested in equipment, property, training of employees and have to work in a competitive market as well as conforming to Porsche AG franchise regulations.
For instance the Porsche PST2 tester is a $10000 investment, Porsche will send special tools and the dealer has to pay for them.
The dealer has to offer a wide range of services and deal with warranty work (which may or may not be re-imbursed by the factory).
While some charges could be argued as unreasonable, Porsche publish a list of factory labor times which the dealer has to abide by.
A 30k service is not just changing the oil and
filter, just check the warranty/service book to confirm. This is what it takes to run a Porsche nowadays.
I'm sure we could call a lot of other businesses theives, (computer software consultants come to mind) but sweeping generalisations with no factual basis only belong on "60 minutes" or political adverts.
Happy days
Well, I find myself agreeing with GMS. While $750 is high, I don't have the testers or the ability to get the car on a lift to look at the things that matter. It is more than just changing the oil, I do that myself at PCA tech seeions. The book says that a 30k service should take 6 to 8 hours. If you look at your service book they tell you the items that need to be checked. There is always the issue of did they really do the work, but you have to have a sense that the place you choose to do your work is honest.
If dealers are the good guys, then will someone please outline what you get for $750-1000 in a 30K service interval???
So far, I'll I hear is oil change, air filter change, and check the car for codes? $10,000 for the Porsche OBDII computer??? 10 30K checkups just paid for that and more...
Yes everyone has operating costs, but c'mon man, 1K for easy stuff? Warranty repairs come with the territory, so do 3% FACTORY HOLDBACKS!!!
krichard,
How did you coem with the dealer's service. Do you think it was worth it. Usually when I go to the dealer they will handle a recalled item or replace something that is covered under warranty. This always confirms my support in going to them.
So the service ended up costing just under $700.00. They also replaced the mass air sensor and the radiator cap under warranty. I know that I could have saved some bucks on the parts and labor for the oil change but the other items they inspect give me peace of mind since they found these problems and fixed them. I also have documented records now for the next person that will own this car someday
krichard,
I just had my car serviced at the dealer for it's 15k service. They replaced the air mass sensor under warranty and fixed a fuse problem that I had. There is piece of mind in having the records from the dealer. Thx for the update.
There's more to go on this yet.
Dealers are under pressure from several sources; independents, diy owners and internet parts shops. Their cost of doing business like equipment, training, cost of labor (there is a shortage of skilled technicians, so good techs want top dollar) and property are all rising.
Porsches now need less maintenance than the old SC.
The billable hours required to make the business a viable proposition are increasing and that requires the dealer to either a) increase the vehicle park (sell more cars and retain more customers) or b) increase labor rates and shop charges. With Porsche sales steady and cars going out of warranty and then being serviced by independents the dealer is left with increasing labor rates and shop charges.
That situation is not going to change. Until Porsche or the selling dealer makes scheduled maintenance part of the vehicle price, dealer service charges are going to be where they are now.
When I had my 30 K, and did it a'lacart. There is a lot of fluff built into the check list. I had the oil,brake fluid,pollen filter, and plugs changed, and the hand brake adjusted. I had changed the air filter on my own previously. Came in at $600 with parts,labor and taxes. Perry
I had the 30k service at my second year interval (about 25k miles). Here's the text from the dealer. Mine was around $1k.
- check and inspect polyrib belt.
- visual inspection of underside of vehicle and underbody paneling.
- check coolant hoses.
- check/ refill coolant.
- replace pollen filter.
- inspection of fuel system.
- check/ fill power steering system.
- check/ adjust parking brake.
- visual inspection of brakes and brake wear.
- check and refill brake fluid.
- check rest of brake system (lines).
- check clutch and amount of free play.
- check position and operation of throttle.
- check steering gear.
- check tie rod ends.
- check axle joints.
- check tightness of front and rear suspension adjustment points.
- inspect drive shafts.
- check exhaust system.
- check condition and pressure of all tires and spare.
- check adjustment and operation of trunk and door locks.
- check operation and condition of seatbelts.
- check operation and alignment of lights.
- check horn.
- check fluid level and alignment of windsheild and light washers.
- check all indicators and warning lights.
- changed spark plugs.
- ran diags on engine.
- changed air filter.
In addition, since it was 2 years they
- changed brake fluid.
- changed oil.
My perspective:
A) all companies have service checks that are a high percentage of checking and a lower percentage of replacing.
B) Porsche service is more expensive that most other marques.
rgds,
Joel
2000 Ocean Blue Carrera
Sorry Guys
For those of us who are not techies - these dealer prices come with the territory. And we all knew what we were getting into. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
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