2001 996 F/S @ $12,500

Saw this car on Ebay this morning and thought that for $12,500 you could get that for the parts! $12,500 996

It actually looks to be in pretty good shape for having 140,000 miles on it. The digital climate displays have died though and the fake wood on the center console is well past it's prime. Might be hiding more damage.

Looks like shifting into 5th at 30 mph isn't that bad for a 3.4.

Very nice car, still a bit high on the price. Should be closer to $10K for that many miles.

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I'm sorry, but you can't measure the value of a car by miles alone If you do, you're going to miss out on a lot of good deals..

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Lol, so the Honduh owners start coming out of the woodwork here... Car seems to be a great deal if everything checks out. Woodgrain, Alpine stereo, DSP option(defeated by the Alpine), Tequipment tips, etc... Not bad... Tiptronic...bad...

Being a tip for me kind of kills the deal. By that is me I know plenty that would love an auto

Yeah the Tip is a killer for me and I don't need a 2nd today (996). The s/n in the ad looks bogus because it does not start with WPO.....

A lot of hatred here for Tiptronics. Just curious, how many have actually taken a Tip 996 out for a spirited drive? (in manual mode)

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Not hatred, personal preference. Tips drive fine, My Cayenne is a Tip but when it come down to it like many other here I just enjoy the interaction of a manual trans more. I have driven PDK cars and it's awesome! but still manual for me.

I play hard with my Tip all the time. It may not be as much fun as a stick but its good enough for me and my leg dont get tired in bad traffic. It also keeps my right hand free when my beautiful blonde co-pilot is on board so I can shift her gears

A good polish on the outside plus $30 worth of DI-NOC on the inside would fix nearly all of the cosmetic issues. If it's mechanically sound, that's a sweet car for the $$. A GOOD driver with good two-pedal skills can demolish most of us with a tip. The tip is no slushbox compared to a lot of the autos out there...that said, I prefer manual, more for nostalgia than any legitimate reason.

The Tip is probably why the BIN price seems low but the real ACV of the car is closer to $7500 as is. JMHO but I prefer the manual even if I owned a newer 997. The Tip is still just a "slushbox" with poor feel.

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Is that from direct experience with a Tiptronic 996?

Yes, but its also from general consensus, mag articles, and fact. I could see that a Tip would be needed by a physically disabled person and Im all for that if it gets them in the car they want. I know a guy that has to have an auto so I see its uses. As a rule, the non-handicap 996 owners seems to prefer the manual by at least 20:1 or more. OMG not another poll?

I couldn't agree more! The interior looks like someone applied that stick-on wood stuff to cover up the aging wood trim, and did a poor job at that. This car just needs some love! A couple of hours with a Porter-Cable and some creative interior TLC and this baby would be beautiful!

How do you guys rationalize as fact that less than 5% of owners want an automatic when the MAJORITY of 996s shipped to the US were tips? If you own a manual, EVERYONE with good sense prefers a manual. If you own a cab, EVERYONE with good sense prefers a cab. ...

Manual is fun when you have great roads to use it on often. It loses its appeal quickly when you spend few hours in traffic moving at 3mph. If I lived in the first picture, I would own a manual. Unfortunately like majority of people in US I live in the second picture. 5% of pleasure on Saturday through the twisties does not make up for the 95% of pain of sitting in traffic for me.

I prefer a stick shift, even when driving in LA traffic. Yeah, sometimes I get tired of shifting to move 3 to 5 feet, but overall I enjoy driving a vehicle with a manual transmission

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5% of RL owners prefer the manual. After all, Porsche sold all those automatics (lets not chuch them up by calling it something else) to buyers that wanted just that. Same scenario as the 928.

Let me ask this question again, more clearly. Of all of the people expressing distaste for Tiptronics 996's, how many have driven a Tiptronic 996? And when I say driven, I mean a spirited drive in manual mode. I think we all know what the opinions of 6-speed owners are. I'm looking for people who have actually driven both. I drove manual cars (not performance cars) for more than 20 years, so the "manly" factor isn't an issue. When I drive my Tip 996, it's in manual until I get to highway speed and then I switch to automatic. If it's bumper to bumper, I leave it in auto. Aside from the left foot action, how different is it? I don't want to hear about statistics, or assumptions, just real experience. Btw - Mashing the pedal to the floor while in Automatic mode is a rush. It will drop to the lowest safe gear and the pull is impressive.

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If the Tiptronic is so good why did Porsche go to the PDK? When I lived in LA I would have considred the tip but was able to escape the urban jungle. Now I live in a place where as clutch makes more sense. If a clutch were the ultimate answer then F1 would be using that instead of a paddle shifter. F1 cars have a clutch pedal right?

So I guess the answer is "no". People who are condemning Tips haven't driven one.

Here is a link to the dealer. http://www.autopassindy.com/newandus...aspx?MakeID=55 Since this place is in my back yard I might go look at the 928S4. Now that looks like fun.

I drive a tip and live in the mountains. Awesome. You get used to shifting a split of a second earlier as the tip Is a tad slow. I don't even realize the delay now. Driving it in manual Of course. Keep in mind that driving in twisties, you don't push it as much as on the track; you have that split of a second to shift with no problems. That said, it was no fun when the box went kaput and I had to install a new tip from porsche at the tune of 9.5k. This would be my worry with a tip over 100k miles. Rebuilding would be 5.5k. Good news, got rebuilt engine and new transmission. What an investment haha.

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+996. I've actually driven my friends BOXSTER S tip in a spirited fashion on several occasions but since I drive like a nut I def prefer a manual to be able to do the 5th to 3rd drops and to engage neutral in certain situations(newer PDKs can engage neutral at any time). But for most "normal" drivers, the tip would be a good fit and offer the most flexibility for a DD.

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To me, this reads like a car with issues... looks excellent... Call dealer for details Car is sold as is , That doesn't read like a description of a well running car to me...

I drove a 997S with a tip once and was genuinely impressed. I still prefer a clutch though...and not once in 30 years of driving has it bothered me in traffic.

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Is this question genuine? Why did Porsche introduce a BETTER version of what they were already selling? Porsche, like every GOOD manufacturer, pushes for better. If the entire world looked at what exists and said, "mmm...good enough" - we'd still be driving Model Ts and buying blocks of ice from the ice man to keep our groceries cool during summer. Oh, and we'd be getting leech therapy and bloodletting from our surgeons instead of titanium knees and new heart valves. I'm surprised your username isn't "gremlin" or "pacer" instead of "porrsha," since you're clearly not interested in advancing the state of the art in any field. :P

I don't think the Tiptronic is better than manual.The PDK is a better performer over the manual but jot the automatic. They introduced it because the market demanded it, to fill the need for those that don't want to use a clutch pedal, that doesn't make it better at least not to me.

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Sorry for the delay had to run an autocross for the local PCA region. As a PCA instructor I have driven a students tiptronic and found it was adequate but not the automatic transmission that the PDK is. Guessing never worked for me in business or life BTW. Well Mach Schnell aka 5CHN3LL here are a couple of facts for you since you did not read my OP or subsequent post without putting your own twist on it. 1. I asked why PDK was introduced if the Tiptronic was the end all be all. The responder assumes incorrectly that I have not driven a Tiptronic and gets his knickers all in a wad instead of answering my question. 2. Being in the medical device field for 40 years I can tell you that knees are not titanium but a mixture of other metals and some titanium. Heart valves are now being put in thru a 7 mm incision in the groin (with flexible instruments and a C-Arm) and you don't have to crack the chest open (depending upon the diagnosis). Since this not RLOT I will maintain a sense of decorum and let you know that leeches are still considered a good therapy. If all old things are bad how come many hospitals are looking at acupunture for pain relief?

I think most have tried to be polite about the Tip transmission but the factual reason for its existance is that Porsche knew a certain amount of 911 buyers would simply not be "man enough" to drive the 6 speed. Knowing this fact, Porsche included the problematic Tip as an option for those that lacked the skill or sense to operate a 6 speed manual, which any monkey should be able to shift properly but, you never know. That would be the not so "polite" truth about the subject. The Tip exists simply to pacify the inferior driver.

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Oh boy.... KK doing what he does best by stirring the pot as usual...

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KrazyK you are entitled to your opinion but not your own set of facts. I know several tip drivers I would bet serious money on instead of you at an autocross or DE. What makes a person inferior is their thinking, most RL folks don't set out to prove how stupid they are on a daily basis like you do.

There are always exceptions to generalized statement like KK's but the truth is that except for a few tiptronic owners, his description is dead on.

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Cool way to nitpick my response without really replying to the underlying question - which is: Was your post in earnest that Porsche shouldn't have developed the PDK since they already had an automatic transmission? Congrats on being in the medical field and knowing more specifics than I do. Apparently, that makes it cool to post rhetoric and get uptight about being called out for it. Happy leeching.

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Now how is it that you and I can get all pissy about one thing when we are clearly of a like mind about other things...

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I suspect we always be like minded about KrazyK and people like him.

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Clearly any manufacturer needs to maintain an R & D department to stay in business. All products have a life-cycle. There are people called "early adopters" who will buy the first whatever because they want to be first. As products are brought into the marketplace there will be competition and product redesigns from failures & improvements. Once a product can not be redesigned, reconfigured, to solve a problem or continuous improvements fail to solve a design flaw then a new sheet of paper is needed. In this case the clean sheet of paper was the PDK transmission. As I recall the Tip was having some issues that a redesign could not solve so it was cheaper to bring out a new type. I am in favor of improving any design where change is needed. Change for the sake of change does not make sense. So now you have left RLOT after getting your **** kicked over there? **** kicking

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The only thing a tiptronic and a PDK share is the lack of clutch pedal. That where the similarities end. The PDK was developed for racing and filtered down to the assembly line. It is still a manual transmission but now controlled by coputer. The Tiptronic is a more or less a regular off the shelf automatic transmission with a torque converter, Porsche just gave it a cool name so buyers would think its something really exotic.

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I seem to recall that the Tiptronic in my 1968 911 was a manual with a torque converter. It only had manual shift and disengagement was activated by a touch of the gear shift. Hated it at first but ended up having a lot of fun with it and sort of got used to not needing to depress a clutch when at a stop light. My cousin owns the car still and we were both shocked at how much money he has been offered for it considering the lack of a clutch pedal. Just going back to probably the truly first generation of a tip, I am pretty sure I also saw them in the VW bugs of that era as well.

My hand is raised. I have a Tip... and here's my take on it. As in Kalashnakov's post, a stick is way more fun when you have fun roads to drive on. But, it gets very tedious in a hurry with the old "clutch in, clutch out" routine when you are driving in So. CA traffic at stop and go speeds for four hours. In those situations, I leave it in "D" mode, and listen to the radio. Every once in a while to relieve the tedium, when some ricer pulls up next to me and gives "the look" and there are a free few hundred yards to do a mini sprint, I slap to "M", drop down a gear, and goose the gas a bit. Then I go back to "D" mode and the radio, and ignore the ricer. When better driving conditions are present, then it's always in "M" mode. Drop down a gear or two, and there is plenty of torque, acceleration, and responsiveness (I would prefer to have a TT though... plan to get that in a year or two... will get that one in stick version). Tip has no "mush" or whatever was said in an above post. But, if you leave it in "D" and don't do any over-rides, it does start in second, and shifts all the way up to 5th in a hurry. Not the most "spirited" way to use the car at all. The key is, to learn to properly drive the Tip, depending on the experience you want for any particular outing. A couple days ago, I did a very spirited 300+ mile trip, all in "M", out in the middle of no where on mountain twisties, mostly 3rd and 4th gear. 5th when there was a good stretch. Radio off, engine music only. It was a blast!!!!! So, if I wanted mainly a weekend driver, I'd choose a manual. But to make the car more useful on a daily basis, living in So. CA, I prefer the Tip. I can't even begin to guess how many cups of coffee I dumped on my lap or on the floor when I was driving manual in Los Angeles freeway traffic and it suddenly went from 65 mph to a near standstill, and the coffee had to be sacrificed to grab the stick. The ideal will be when I have my Tip for the work days, and my TT stick for the pure fun days. A few pix from the drive a couple days ago: . EDIT: KK: You are an odd one, a mixture of great posts and foolish ones. File this one in Category B. I admit though, I do always enjoy reading your posts. .

Nothing sucks worse than burning up the clutch in your supercar while sitting in traffic. That said, boy howdy $12500 seems a tad low to me. Somebody really wanted out of the car quick.

Exactly. Some people sure get their feelings hurt by facts.

I have a 996 tip and very happy that I have it. My other two personal cars are 09 Bullitt and 91 944 cab, both manual. My Bullitt Hurst manual is very satisfying and I wouldn't have it any other way. I can appreciate the option of no clutch in stop and go and feel very good about that too. No right or wrong here, just personal preference.

i would never buy a Porsche off of ebay, i mean these cars used need a thorough ppi, plus at 12,500 somethings gotta be wrong as for the trip, girlfriend wouldn't let me buy one, she loves the stick

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yep. I've been pricing a low mileage 996.1 S for a friend. Once mileage is that well over 100K there needs to be a very lengthy list of repairs in the service history to come in over $10K. And a tip with wood inside? deduct at least ~10%. PPI and leak down is a must. But I found my car on Ebay. It was listed by a local dealer. I negotiated a deal with the sales guy after the auction expired without meeting the reserve. We relisted and used "buy it now" at their offices to take advantage of some special promotions and warranty guarantees that came with buying a car from a dealer on Ebay Motors. Car was showroom new, as in it was actually sitting in their showroom with barely 9K miles. In retrospect I should have attempted to loop a CPO Porsche warranty into the deal as well since with mileage that low it would have been free money for them. But as it turned out I needed zero repairs costing more than $300 in first 60K miles.