For price watchers- 2 hrs left, '99 996, it's only at $14k.

Of course, many like to see what the cars are selling for (actual sales, not listed prices). I troll eBay a lot, just out of curiosity. The VAST majority of car listings expire with "Reserve not met." Here's one about to end in 2 hours, no reserve. Unless there's a sudden price bump at the end, looks like a great value for the current bidder. Leaves plenty of budgetary room to upgrade IMSB, RMS, etc. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1999-...exp=true#v4-47 Just thought you guys would find this one of interest.

Considering the mileage, if it passes a good PPI, and if it stays at $14K, it is a good deal IMHO

looks like it sold for $14K

Holy crap...if these prices keep dropping, I'm going to buy a spare.

Eww auto?

I'd buy a tip cab for the wife if one came along for the right price.

Good price. For reference here is another one that recently sold near me. 00 black cab, 6spd, grey interior hardtop included pretty base car, no real options 73k miles IMS/Clutch/AOS/RMS all done new tires Upgraded stereo (Focal speakers, kenwood headunit) Had some custom speaker covers added to door panels since they originally had map pockets. Probably could have used a pair of grey door panels with stock speaker grilles in them to replace (about $500 on ebay) Sold for 15k

that is nuts ! at that price, it is the disposable porsche especially as most of them really are trouble free ... the IMS story has really killed the value and tainted the brand.

With all due respects this is possibly a core car Can everybody help me list The typical needs 1. Clutch 2. Tires 3. Ims/rms 4. Suspension 5. Water pump 6. AOS 7. What else ???

I'm going to say "No" on the clutch.

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$15K is a great price on a cab, esp. with the AOS/IMS etc.. being done. Great Pcars for DD.

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It is also possible you haven't read the posting and have no idea what you are talking about?

Excellent price but if it wasn't an automatic, it would have sold for much more.

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It was no doubt an excellent price but the guy had listed it for months @ 18k with no bites.

The reason there are so few manual transmission 996s is that the American driving population vastly prefers automatic transmissions. Standard transmissions are cheaper than automatics, not the opposite. In reality (NOT in sports car forums on the Internet), nobody wants a stick shift. According to Edmunds.com, the number of manual transmission cars sold in the U.S. in the first quarter of 2012 nearly doubled to 6.5%, the highest number sold since 2006, which is a depressingly low number. While there are plenty of car enthusiasts who prefer standard transmissions (yours truly included), 95% of Americans prefer automatics; thus, I don't agree that a 996 with a stick is going to fetch an enormous premium over a Tip. Cars that sell for a higher price - manual or auto - are the result of sellers who are willing to wait for the right buyer. Right now, 996 sellers are seeing the car values drop and are dumping the cars before the prices get worse. Unfortunately, this only exacerbates the 996's plummeting depreciation...as the prices drop, more sellers will be motivated to dump their cars, which will drive down the prices, which will motivate still more people to sell their cars...and so on.

I think the 996 market is similar to the corvette market when talking about manual vs automatic transmissions. When the cars were new older people tended to buy them because older people could afford them. Older people, as a whole, tend to go for automatic transmissions. In the 10-15 year old used market the dynamic changes. You have a lot of people shopping for the cars that are younger and prefer manual transmissions. This makes the manual cars more expensive than the automatics as a result. Not vastly more expensive but a definite difference.

Any way you look at it, Tip or stick, I think 14K is an amazingly low price for a car in the purported condition in that listing. Pretty much anything else I have seen in that range has some significant issue, such as "needs engine" or "accident damage is repairable".

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The number of new drivers who can drive a standard transmission is alarmingly low. Just one more skill that people no longer find necessary...

while I agree that the vast majority (99%+) of drivers want an automatic transmission, I don't believe that logic applies to a Porsche 911 purchase. Since the 911 is a relatively specialized car with limited practicality, I think most buyers are enthusiasts who want a manual, not a sluggish tiptronic. as a sidenote, my practically perfect silver 6spd 99 996 with 89k miles sat on autotrader at $14,9k with only one interested party in 2 months. I've decided not to sell it b/c it's in excellent condition and I can't justify the drop in value; might as well keep it and enjoy driving it!!

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The fact that the new GT3 and Turbos will not be offered with a standard transmission to me indicates that Porsche does not feel that the majority of buyers are "enthusiasts who want a manual." I think the "all car enthusiasts really want a stick" is a myth. It's one of those things that people say even though it's not grounded in reality in any way - sort of like people who say they don't change their own oil because "cars are all computerized now - it's not like it was in the old days when you could do things yourself." That's just a cop-out from someone trying to feel better about themselves and the fact they'd rather drive to Jiffy Lube than get their hands dirty doing it themselves...

One more sad statistic, and then I'll shaddup: As of 2012, 64 percent of American market new cars weren't even available in manual form.

No, my rationale is, "...it's not like it was in the old days when you could just dump the old oil down the storm drain, and didn't have to find enough old milk jugs so you could take it to the local car parts store." Are you sure you are talking about the 911 and not a Lambo or a Ferrari 458 or something??? Eh, sluggish? Guess you haven't mastered sliding the lever over to the "M" side.

You can't compare an automatic to a 6 speed manual change 996. So the posting has no relevance what so ever to the price of our manual transmission cars.

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Is it possible you believe everything you read in a Ebay Ad. ??

I think there should be a clear distinction made whenever someone talks about an "auto", between the traditional automatic and the newer dual clutch systems. Clearly apples to oranges..

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Yes I do, unless I have a good reason not too such as the add doesn't match the condition of the car in the pictures. Also, that why I don't pay for it untill I see and test driventhe car. Assuming the worst will not get you anything online.

If more people assumed the worst when performing online transactions, Chris Hansen wouldn't have had a job. "Hmm, maybe this 12-year-old who seems really interested in hooking up with my 40-year-old fat a$$ isn't exactly who they say..."

According to the articles I read, this puzzled many testers though some ended up liking the auto.

Guys, come on, it's a plain jane '99. Coupe, tip, it's got a plastic dash fer christsake! This is where the market's at right now, deal with it.

996 turbos are looking very attractive right now

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I just passed on a '01 TT for $35k, so, yea, "attractive" is a good word

He's right. The NA 996 model is so beaten up right now its depressing (unless your buying). On the other hand, it will cause many potential buyers to move on to a TT or 997. If you own a NA 996, better just keep it or be prepared to take a hit worse than the dot.com stockholders in the 90's.

Well, yes, that's my point completely.... Someone bought what appears to be a solid 911, albeit a lower end model, for only $14k. Typically, at that price level there are either 250k miles on the odo, or there is some sort of major flaw. ??? If something that isn't worth a whole lot to start with drops in value, it's impossible to have a huge loss.

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Or it's someone that was originally shopping for a used Accord v6 coupe and came upon a great bang for the buck "real" sports car.

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I am in the auto wholesale business and specialize in Porsches. Manual transmission 911's are worth more than their tiptronic counterpart every time, no exceptions . In 964's and 993's, the tiptronic can hurt the value up to $5k, and on 996's and 997's the tips are generally worth $2k -$3k less than what the same car with a stick is worth. The only exception would be the Porsche Cayenne (which came in manual), and one could debate that a base Boxster in a tip is worth just as much as the 5spd. You are correct about cars like late model Honda Accords, Carmys, Civics, etc (read: regular cars), they are worth less in manual trim because the majority of buyers do not fancy a manual transmission.

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Agreed. Porsche 996 Turbos are one of the best values in the used Porsche market. You could get a well sorted 2001 with some miles in the mid 30's, and IMHO these cars will hold their values in the low 30's upper 20's for a while, even with higher miles.

Hows it look in the wholesale / auction business for the NA 996? Is it as bad as it seems or just temporary?

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The 2002 - 2004 996's along with the C4S are holding pretty strong, but it seems as if the floor has fallen out on 1999 to 2001's unless they have exceptionally low miles. With early 997's dropping in value, I can not see C2 / C4 996's going up anytime soon if ever. The Porsche 996.2 is a tremendous value for the used sports car market in the $25k range, high mileage examples are available in the high teens. Here are some recent numbers in case you wanted to see (all data is for C2 coupe), keep in mind some of these cars may be salvage, or sold "red light as is", or just plain old pieces of garbage. I sorted it lowest mileage on top, to highest mileage on bottom. 1999 c2 03/28/13 PA Regular $23,000 13,544 Above BLUE 6G M Yes 06/20/13 PA Lease $17,000 42,915 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes 03/28/13 TAMPA Lease $17,000 51,927 Avg RED 6G 6 Yes 07/26/13 PA Regular $16,700 65,789 Avg GREEN 6G P Yes 02/26/13 GEORGIA Regular $9,100 108,814 Below WHITE 6G 6 Yes 03/12/13 ST LOUIS Regular $12,250 111,649 Avg SILVER 6G 6 Yes 2000 c2 09/13/12 PA Regular $32,000 7,870 Avg SLTGRAY 6G 6 No 01/31/13 TAMPA Regular $19,600 37,507 Avg BLACK 6G 6 No 03/28/13 PA Regular $23,300 42,896 Avg SILV/BLK 6G 6 No 08/04/11 PA Regular $23,200 46,157 Avg SILVER 6G No 10/07/11 PA Regular $13,000 49,015 Avg BLUE 6G No 11/14/12 PALM BCH Regular $22,400 49,484 Avg SILVER 6G 6 No 07/14/11 CHICAGO Regular $22,600 49,925 Avg BLACK 6G 6 No 12/14/11 DALLAS Regular $19,800 50,317 Avg BLUE 6G 6 No 07/19/12 PA Regular $23,400 52,130 Avg SILVER 6G A No 10/04/12 CARIB Lease $7,400 55,988 Avg YELLOW 6G 6 No 06/21/12 ST PETE Regular $19,000 56,220 Avg SILVER 6G A No 11/01/12 PHOENIX Regular $17,000 59,535 Avg BRWN 6G 6 No 09/22/11 RIVRSIDE Regular $19,000 59,572 Avg SLVR 6G A No 11/03/11 RIVRSIDE Regular $19,200 63,341 Avg SLIVER 6G A No 07/07/11 PA Regular $21,800 64,488 Avg BLACK 6G A No 11/03/11 RIVRSIDE Regular $16,500 68,894 Avg SILVER 6G 6 No 07/14/11 RIVRSIDE Lease $18,500 74,139 Avg SILVER 6G 6 No 04/11/12 SF BAY Regular $17,200 74,969 Avg BLUE 6G M No 09/22/11 RIVRSIDE Regular $13,000 76,078 Avg LACK 6G M No 09/28/11 CALIFORN Regular $16,750 76,245 Avg BLACK 6G M No 09/05/12 SF BAY Regular $18,250 76,848 Avg SILVER 6G 6 No 06/19/13 KC Regular $15,800 83,562 Avg SILVER 6G 6 No 11/26/12 NC Regular $15,000 84,620 Avg BURG 6G 6 No 07/14/11 RIVRSIDE Regular $17,450 86,518 Avg 6G A No 01/11/13 PA Regular $13,200 90,125 Avg MAROON 6G No 03/26/13 HOUSTON Regular $16,800 92,255 Avg RED 6G S No 05/31/12 RIVRSIDE Lease $13,500 92,774 Avg SILVER 6G 6 No 02/29/12 SF BAY Regular $16,000 92,897 Avg PURPLE 6G 6 No 04/03/12 RIVRSIDE Lease $12,000 93,574 Avg BLACK 6G A No 09/26/12 NJ Regular $14,000 94,081 Avg Black 6G 6 No 03/02/12 FT LAUD Regular $8,000 94,407 Avg GRAY 6G A No 10/12/11 DENVER Regular $14,800 100,416 Avg RED 6G 6 No 07/08/11 NEVADA Regular $9,500 107,375 Avg SLIVER 6G 6 No 08/03/12 NEVADA Regular $11,300 109,806 Avg BLACK 6G A No 08/02/12 PA Regular $13,500 117,526 Avg WHITE 6G No 02/27/13 CALIFORN Regular $13,500 121,619 Avg BLACK 6G A No 01/09/13 SF BAY Regular $11,500 133,992 Avg SILVER 6G 6 No 01/27/12 PA Regular $10,400 134,350 Avg BLUE 6G No 04/26/12 ATLANTA Regular $10,100 153,192 Avg GRAY 6G 6 No 2001 c2 07/17/13 ATLANTA Regular $21,600 34,535 Above BLUE 6G A Yes 04/18/13 RIVRSIDE Regular $22,750 47,330 Above SILVER 6G A Yes 06/19/13 DENVER Lease $17,100 79,624 Avg BLACK 6G 6 Yes 07/09/13 ORLANDO Lease $16,200 88,516 Avg BLUE 6G 6 Yes 03/21/13 CHICAGO Regular $14,000 122,256 Avg SILVER 6G 6 Yes 02/27/13 CALIFORN Lease $11,000 126,059 Below BLUE 6G 6 Yes 2002 c2 05/30/13 RIVRSIDE Regular $26,750 45,845 Above SILVER 6G 6 Yes 06/05/13 NJ Regular $21,800 67,999 Avg GREY 6G M Yes 07/19/13 NEVADA Regular $16,500 74,346 Avg BLACK 6G 6 Yes 05/08/13 SF BAY Regular $18,000 83,948 Avg BLACK 6G 6 Yes 05/16/13 TX HOBBY Regular $18,750 88,282 Avg BLACK 6G 6 Yes 07/25/13 RIVRSIDE Lease $13,000 131,550 Below BLACK 6G 6 Yes 2003 c2 07/11/13 SO CAL Regular $25,750 37,731 Above BLUE 6G 6 Yes 06/05/13 CALIFORN Regular $22,000 75,887 Avg GRAY 6G 6 Yes 05/23/13 ATLANTA Regular $21,300 80,734 Avg BLACK 6G 6 Yes 06/13/13 RIVRSIDE Regular $20,000 82,071 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes 04/09/13 PORTLAND Regular $21,100 82,661 Avg GRAY 6G 6 Yes 03/27/13 SF BAY Regular $20,000 99,579 Avg SILVER 6G M Yes 2004 c2 07/03/12 CHICAGO Regular $45,230 15,885 Avg Silver 6G M No 09/12/12 SAN ANTO Regular $30,000 18,462 Avg BLUE 6G A No 08/10/12 FT LAUD Regular $35,000 34,420 Avg YELLOW 6G M No 09/11/12 ORLANDO Regular $36,000 34,516 Avg YELLOW 6G 6 No 03/26/13 ORLANDO Regular $32,200 36,175 Avg YELLOW 6G M No 01/30/13 NJ Regular $24,000 40,982 Avg GRAY 6G 6 No 09/20/12 ATLANTA Regular $29,600 41,404 Avg SILVER 6G 6 No 10/11/12 PA Regular $29,200 45,907 Avg GREY 6G 6 No 05/15/13 SAN ANTO Regular $26,600 50,887 Avg BLUE 6G A No 10/10/12 MILWAUKE Regular $26,000 52,640 Avg Silver 6G M No 12/20/12 DFW Lease $22,300 53,898 Avg SILVER 6G 6 No 02/21/13 DFW Regular $27,000 54,173 Avg SILVER 6G 6 No 09/25/12 ORLANDO Regular $31,000 54,944 Avg BLACK 6G M No 10/10/12 LAKELAND Regular $32,500 54,945 Avg NONE NON N No 12/18/12 ORLANDO Regular $27,800 54,957 Avg BLACK 6G 6 No 08/08/12 CALIFORN Regular $28,250 56,168 Avg SILVER 6G M No 08/29/12 NEWORLNS Regular $30,225 58,648 Avg NONE NON N No 10/03/12 NEWORLNS Regular $29,200 59,482 Avg SILVER 6G A No 06/27/12 PALM BCH Regular $24,600 65,538 Avg SILVER 6G 6 No 03/21/13 FRDKBURG Regular $20,400 67,606 Avg BLUE 6G No 01/11/13 NEVADA Regular $23,000 71,119 Avg SILVER 6G 6 No 06/28/12 RIVRSIDE Regular $30,000 79,389 Avg GRAY 6G A No 01/25/13 FT LAUD Regular $19,400 87,235 Avg SILVER 6G A No 03/28/13 PALM BCH Regular $18,800 87,521 Avg GRAY 6G A No 08/16/12 ATLANTA Regular $23,000 88,700 Avg BLACK 6G A No

I wonder what loon bought the 45k Silver 996. That seems insane for private party much less a wholesale auction even with 16k miles.

Here's another that is about to end at a very fine price (for the buyer). 2002 CS, $26,500, only 17,000 miles! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/996-/...orcev4exp=true