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YOUR RESEARCHWhat does ?analog? mean to you?
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It's kind of funny to hear people use the "analog vs.
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Show them a 997 wiring diagram using CAN network to communicate the microswitch position from the door control unit to the alarm control unit, they probably will have a hard time deducing where the signal goes.
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There was a huge change to the infrastructure, using CAN networks to connect components across the car digitally.
Use some level of electronic/computerized controlled technology
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'digital' for sports cars is codeword for a car that has various electronic mechanisms to assist the driver and make decisions and interventions for him/her, usually using some level of electronic/computerized controlled technology
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Show them a 997 wiring diagram using CAN network to communicate the microswitch position from the door control unit to the alarm control unit, they probably will have a hard time deducing where the signal goes.
Use some level of electronic/computerized controlled technology
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'digital' for sports cars is codeword for a car that has various electronic mechanisms to assist the driver and make decisions and interventions for him/her, usually using some level of electronic/computerized controlled technology
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Still not "super analog" but a fine compromise for the daily drive.
I see this term regularly in reference to the 996 (or 986) being �the last analog Porsche.� Not having driven a 997 or 993, but two 996s and now a 986, I don�t really have a comparison of earlier to later.
My impression is that �analog� means fewer �driver aids.� But then, what IS a driver aid? ABS is a driver aid and yet doesn�t qualify a car to be non-analog.
Thoughts?
Well, having owned two air cooled P-cars, a '67 912 and an '85 911, I can tell you that the 996 is not all that different from the later air cooled cars, in my opinion. I have made an effort to enhance the raw feel with semi-solid engine mounts, transmission mount insert, short shift w/FF shift right and H&R's with Bilstiens, but even stock they are a true blast from the past.
Manual transmission, hydraulic steering, non-electric suspension, analog gauges, spartan interior, no volume control or cruise control buttons on the steering wheel,
no launch control.
No constant warning when you DON'T have your seatbelt on.
No $#!^, I know I don't have my seatbelt on, so you don't have to constantly tell me!
I hated that my BMW did that, and hate that my wife's mini-van does that!
Truly analog requires carburetors, no power steering, no ABS, etc.
To me it means you are mechanically connected to the car via the steering wheel and pedals. Can you drive it down a hill with no power? Many modern cars are drive by wire with nannies such as stability control that can't be turned off. You are correct that even a 99 with a throttle cable and a manual transmission is not completely analog since it has antilock brakes, but so does almost every car built in the last 30 years. Electronic fuel injection is also not analog if you are getting literal.
Interesting the 996 is viewed as the last analog 911. I've had my car since '02 and at that time everyone complained how e-gas was the digital death of the 911!
It's kind of funny to hear people use the "analog vs. digital" as an analogy (no pun intended with that word) to represent different things in life. For ex, "she's so digital with her fancy iphone book apps... I'm analog - gimme a real paper book. If we lose power, I'm still good!" "She's so digital asking Siri for directions on a vacation... I'm analog, nothing like spreading out that big map on the kitchen table to view the entire state!"
On and on it goes.
But IMHO, analog vs. digital is a very subjective thing when it comes to the driving experience of a modern sports car. Since truly the whole "analog vs. digital" thing seem to come out of the music/TV/Cinema arts industry primarily to refer to the aural/optical waveforms being converted to binary form. How many people can remember 8-track tape in their cars? haha! Any of you have an old Victrola or Edison record player? I admit, I have an old mechanical crank Edison. Almost 100 years old and doesn't need to be plugged in to experience music.
When it comes to our Porsches, I guess the best explanation could be the lack of anything that's controls (i.e. nannies) our cars more than we really want? As we all know, the 996 has many modules that monitor and control all aspects of the driving experience - ex. - PSM, TC, Anti-lock braking, SRS, as well as a wealth of ECU engine control technology to insure the car's engine is running at it's optimum. And, if it doesn't, then it tells you on the "digital" display, right?
Personally, in order to experience a true connected feel (more than we feel in a 996), you need to remove all ECU and driver nannies. Maybe that means you have to go way back to the pre-ODB air-cooled days? Maybe the days before power steering? Before fuel injection? Even before AC?
Maybe it's the horse and buggy experience we're searching after.
Peace out!
I can't tell you how much I HATE that in my BMW X5! the sensor is so sensitive it even alarms if I put a backpack in the front seat!
good thoughts above. I love the connected feeling of the 996 and 986. Haven't been fortunate enough to drive a 997. I had an 83 911 SC for a year and it was just too raw to be a good daily driver for me so I sold it right before the air cooled boom
but I guess that would qualify as analog for sure
imho, simply put, analog means it feels like you'r driving faster than you really are....digital means that you are driving really fast but it doesn't feel like it.
I’m not sure about analog, but I have a digital experience each time I go in for my annual physical exam. The only positive thing I have to say is that it’s over quickly!
hahaha i was just being a smart *** at the keyboard to cure late night insomnia
to me, the essence of this discussion is that an 'analog' car is one where you as the driver are completely in charge... 'digital' for sports cars is codeword for a car that has various electronic mechanisms to assist the driver and make decisions and interventions for him/her, usually using some level of electronic/computerized controlled technology
of course, this 'digitization' comes in steps and degrees of sophistication - from basic ABS all the way to the very advanced TC/SC, rear wheel braking, e-diff, e-damper, rear steer technologies now being sold on modern Porsches...
from a driving perspective, often digital aids make the car feel remote and disconnected to driver inputs, such that even though you are at the wheel, you somehow feel like a spectator... best example to me is the nissan gtr... massive, gargantuan machine that rips around corners in a completely unnatural, magical way, totally defying physics, and you as the driver are doing so little at the helm
as a track instructor, the problem with these most modern aids is that they have now gotten sooo good, are sooo undetectable in operation, feel sooo seamless, that inexperienced drivers get a completely false sense of confidence and think they are much better drivers than they really are... and as they say about running racing slicks, "you have seemingly endless, invincible grip, all the way to the point at which you suddenly have none", then you are in deep deep doo-doo, and often say hello to a wall
I'd call 996 pretty much the end of analog, although 997 is the same chassis and closely related there is a ton of changes which make it both more complicated electronically, and more refined to drive but also far less exciting. 997 is an in betweener, 991 is full digital. Plenty of seat time in both 6/7 chassis, from Carrera to GT's, as well as too much wrench time.
I grew up in/under air-cooleds, love them too but the market is wrong now...
I separate cars out into 5 categories.
1.) Cars before 1985
2.) Cars between 1986-1991
3.) Cars between 1992-1999
4.) Cars between 2000-2006
5.) Cars between 2007-present
The categories are based on technology at the time as well as car safety standards.
I loved it when airbags and anti-lock brakes were options, not mandated by the govt. Now every car has to have several airbags, anti-lock brakes, enormous emissions controls, plastic headlights, immobilizers, etc.
Based on today's standards, I would classify the 996 as analog. If you want to get technical though, I would say the 1999 is the best example of an analog 996.
I prefer cars between 1985-~2006.
My 04' MK2 does do that? Maybe yours has been programmed not to??
I go for drives regularly with some guys with 997s they even get warnings of ice when the temp drops below zero!
I previously owned a 2001 BMW 330Ci. Beautiful car, very reliable but HATED the drive-by-wire throttle on it from day one. Drove it for 5 years while trying to "mod" out the delay time in the throttle. Sold the car and bought an E36 M3 which was the answer to all my questions.
My 996 fell in my lap locally so I didnt really search for a specific car but I'm VERY happy my car is an early 1999 model. I enjoy fuel injection because fiddling with the carbs on my '78 Honda CB750 is a HUGE pain in the *** 2-3 times a year...
My other cars are a 1993 Mustang GT (road race/AutoX setup) and a 2013 Mini Clubman JCW. I would have preferred a 2006 Cooper S but needed the extra hauling capacity of the Clubman... While it has plenty of modern safety nannies, it feels pretty raw when compared to other hot hatches. Still not "super analog" but a fine compromise for the daily drive.
Perhaps I have lost that certain sensitivity that many must still possess, but I can not tell the difference between drive by wire and the more modern set-up. This after driving for 47 years a wide variety of analog beasts, from Goats to Carreras. I can however discern the difference between hydraulic and electric steering, but I understand that that is becoming less noticiable. Either way, I love my little Porsche, wire throttle or not.
To add to the �Last of the analog� argument, the wiring in the 996 is MUCH more analog than the 997.
There was a huge change to the infrastructure, using CAN networks to connect components across the car digitally. Information became ones and zeros instead of a varying voltage, or a pulse width modulated signal. Signals such as the A/C compressor kick on are sent from the control head to the DME digitally on a pair of wires shared by multiple control units sending and receiving thousands of signals. Back in the �analog� days, a signal like the headlights being on had to have a wire going to each and everyplace related to that circuit. This change was intended to save a bunch of wiring weight.
The 996 was the last car that was simple. A capable mechanic from the 80�s could look at the wiring diagram and tell you how the door latch position is monitored. Show them a 997 wiring diagram using CAN network to communicate the microswitch position from the door control unit to the alarm control unit, they probably will have a hard time deducing where the signal goes.
To me, the true analog days were aircooled... the window makers 930s being the top in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I love my 996, but nothing like it compared to the days before computer modules controlled everything.
No, Bill. I'm talking about the Sekurit factory workers that made the windows for the Porsche 930, of course. Truly a bunch analog guys!
That's why they call those cars aircooled because of the windows, right?
Both of you made me laugh out loud and now the dog is looking at me funny. Hope I have a chance to drive a window maker sometime but will be happy making do with my little early '98 996...
