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As for glass, the 3 major contenders in this "waterless" wash arena that I have used and tested can ALL be used on glass.

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Clean beloved vehicle in 15-20 minutes

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Using Magic Wash you can clean your beloved vehicle in 15-20 minutes using just 1/2-1 bucket of water, and that doesn't even go on the car!

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Use 100% cotton cloths

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I use 100% cotton cloths for washing.

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Use car salesmen as a believable occupation

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*we all universally hate politicians and rank them alongside lawers and used car salesmen as a believable occupation.

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Use glass without taking a lot of smears off

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One reason most cannot b used for glass without taking a lot of smears off.

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Use on black cars

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I'm simply stating that based on my experiences I am extremely skeptical of any waterless washing product, particularly when used on black cars.

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Using Magic Wash you can clean your beloved vehicle in 15-20 minutes using just 1/2-1 bucket of water, and that doesn't even go on the car!

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Clean black porsche

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Clean a black Porsche that dirty with these waterless methods and you will have one severely marred finish when done.

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Clean car; rejex

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So: Magic Wash to clean the car; RejeX to protect it; and my partner's product to smooth out scratches and bring out the gloss.

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Clean product

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Beware of any dry clean product for your car.

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Clean surface

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The creator claims it leaves behind no wax or protectants so they want you to clean the surface but not condition it?

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Clean the boys

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Since the cars were clean, the boys used the same towels for all of the cars.

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Clean time...looks better

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I just keep my car clean all the time...looks better that way.

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Test 4 long enough

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must show u the new preperation that ive been field testing 4 long enough

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Test can all be

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As for glass, the 3 major contenders in this "waterless" wash arena that I have used and tested can ALL be used on glass.

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Keep an open mind and wait for the test result posts to come online.

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POST 1 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Firstly, this product is not available anywhere but Australia. Yet! Secondly, I have JohnD's permission to post this. Last (but definitely NOT least!), Magic Wash is environmentally friendly and saves water wasted when washing your vehicle. [FONT=Impact] Amazing new car care products [/ FONT] Magic Wash is the new all natural, non-toxic, biodegradable, water saving car cleaner. Using Magic Wash you can clean your beloved vehicle in 15-20 minutes using just 1/2-1 bucket of water, and that doesn't even go on the car! The owners/producers of Magic Wash and associated products are seeking expressions of interest from motivated individuals, or companies, to participate in licensing agreements to distribute/sell the products. Each license would give the holder exclusive rights in their own area. License fees are based on population of the area required, e.g. L.A., Illinois, Florida, Ottawa, B.C., Mexico etc, and are payable annually. There are no royalties to be paid on sales volume and license holders are free to sell their license on at any time for profit. Set-up costs are minimal, say, $3-4k. Production is simple and full training, either online, hard copy or 'in person' is provided. There are patents pending on the products so your investment is secure. Visit Here to view a fuller explanation of the distributor's agreement. Basically, what is available, is exclusive rights to make a fortune whilst saving the environment! Additionally, after Magic Wash is sold worldwide, the company will enter into a sponsorship agreement with Rennlist. We really hope it can be a rather large one! Further information can be obtained by sending me a PM or e-mail or the website or just reply to this post! *********************************************** Personal Guarantee: I personally use this product on my car and have not touched my vehicle with a hose or water (except for rain) since my return from the USA/UK in October 2005. The inventor of these products has NEVER used a hose or water on his 2004 C4S! I have met a number of Rennlisters and they can vouch for my character. This is definitely NOT a scam, but rather, the opportunity of a lifetime for all of us. This product is recommended by the Porsche Centre, Brisbane, Australia and Irelands Mercedes/Audi, Cairns, Australia. *********************************************** No water was used to wash this car! No water on this car since October 2005! I hope to here from you soon.

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My brother has a garage full of Vacu-Shine cloths from the early 70's...

POST 3 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

???? no idea what that is???? Nothing special needed with Magic Wash

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Magic Wash, Dri Wash and Guard.....basically the same animal with a different name. The products work to a certain degree, namely on cars that are only light on dirt. The picture provided as a sample should only be hose washed. Clean a black Porsche that dirty with these waterless methods and you will have one severely marred finish when done. Anthony

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Hi antony, Thank you for your contribution. You are right that many names are being used for the petroleum products on the market but Magic wash 4 porsches is not one of those. It is entirely different. I leave it to brian to continue. This insertion by me has been invited by Brian Charles, the Inventor of Magic Wash

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Set-up costs are minimal????? What are you smoking? Not sure what kind of wallet you carry around but $4K is A LOT of money regardless.

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I am working with Optimum and they recently produced a fantastic "waterless" car cleaner BUT again it should NOT be used on a dirty car, like the one in this first post. A car that dirty needs to be rinsed off first, perhaps even an emulsifying agent applied and allowed to dwell then rinsed again and then it can be washed. After that I am sure your waterless product will work just fine for regular upkeep. I stand by my first statement that a black Porsche as dirty as that car in the picture will be marred to hell and back using ANY waterless washing system...even Optimum's. Anthony

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Ummmm.. WTF is this doing on the 996 board? If this was an e-mail, it would already be in my junk folder.

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Magic Wash has been advertised on all the boards with the express permission of JohnD. Expect positive posts in about 2-3 weeks from the first batch of samples that I am sending. I have asked all recipients to be truthful in their postings and post in their native forums. I do no expect any negative feedback.

POST 10Original post

How does this stuff compare to Dri Wash and Guard? Is Dri Wash and Guard any good in the first place? What is better? Why?

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From seeing examples of Anthony's work on Autopia and reading his comments I would never question his knowledge when it comes detailing. But I will play along. I am curious on what makes this product so much different than Optimum product, Dri Wash in Guard or even a product like Quick & Easy Wash. What is different about Magic Wash and why is it better. BTW the web site will not load or is horribly slow (and I have a full T1 line), either way I can't visit it.

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Brian It is possible the site is getting a lot of hits. Will check it later. It's only built in Mambo so should be reasonably stable. As to Anthony's post - Before posting these threads I was getting 6-10 notifications from Rennlist a day. I am now getting 30+ every time I log on. I really was getting cheesed at having to go over and over everything. Stupid of me, but I am no salesman, just someone who has seen the light of the future. OK. I have no experience of any of these other products so cannot offer an honest opinion of their worth. I have been led to understand by people who have that these products, regardless of claims, contain various toxic chemical commonly used to enhance your vehicles appearance. This quote from Charles Lieuw, the inventor of this product: General hints about Characteristics re differences with compositions of wash 1) Generally, water based can use chamois, �oils� & �petro-chemicals� based cannot, that�s why they need applicators/microfibre, and 2nd finishing, buffing cloths, to wipe � grease� and �chemical application bases� off. These will clog up a chamois too. One reason most cannot b used for glass without taking a lot of smears off. They generally advise not to use on glass windows. 2) Very important difference - All the others cannot be used on vinyls, upholstery, steering wheels, cloth surrounds, gear sticks, insides of front and rear window screens, sat nav screens, etc., and leather seats, unless they want to destroy their leather treatments, remove the essential plasticisers in all leathers and vinyl furniture; and also slide around in their seats everytime they go round a corner, and also breathe in �chemical� cabin air. 3) the others cannot say �ph neutral� 4) there is a difference between water based solubility, and oil based water solubility. 5) all leave a �coat� of something. Ours NOTHING. Final test spray our stuff on intake pores of plants, and they still stay alive, finally, try drinking the others As you can tell from the English, Charles is of Chinese heritage but lives about a 1/2 mile from me in Cairns. For some of the photos on the website he actually mixed a thick bucket full of dirt and water and smeared on his $AUD240,000 C4S and then washed with Magic Wash! Once you have seen that happen, you are convinced of the effectiveness of this stuff! A bit of a long winded answer, but, you get the gist. I dont wish to denigrate the skills and expertise of experts in the detailing fiels, but, they have not yet experienced the marvels of Magic Wash. A large bottle has just been despatched to Geoff in Denver (Porschephile 924) who has a small detailing business. He is also a personal friend and we trust each other so I am sure that he will give the product a thourough workout. he ahs already tried some other products we produce and his opinion was "This stuff Rocks!" He is young afterall. The first samples left Cairns today and should arrive in the USA by mid next week. Look for posts and apologies then. I stand by everything I have said about this product. There is nothing like it anywhere else. We have a money back guarantee on every bottle we sell. You dont like it for any reason and we give your money back, no questions asked. Sorry about all that. Will try to be briefer in future.

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You know this is interesting. I used to be in the optical business and I can tell you that if there is any dirt or dust on a lens and you try to clean it without water, you will scratch the lens. Beware of any dry clean product for your car. How hard is it anyway to wash your car? Do we really need this product?

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That hurts and is unfair. I awate the posts from the first 6 testers to change your mind.

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Never asked for my mind to be changed. Products like this are a joke. It take no less time to do this over wash a car and costs WAY more. No thanks.

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Good point from Dell. Regardless of the quality or effectiveness of the product, a cheaper solution providing the same results may be the better choice. Who are your testers and when will they provide feedback on this particular forum? John (soon to be 996 owner--lurker/poster today)

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jsmithjr or John (is this a pseudonym used at cheap motels? ) Mate From one Smith to another, The testers are drawn from the people who sent me their address and are all Rennlisters. They are from all the different models on this board. I know none of them personally! They are from all across the USA and Canada. The testers in the UK will receive their samples sometime in the next month. As to cost: We currently charge $AUD10/1lt of Magic Wash. Larger bottles are proportionally cheaper. It takes less than 200ml to wash a whole car! Plus a bucket of water or less! We do not recommend that you wash your car fully each week, but rather, touch up the areas that need it when you have 30 secs spare before you leave home. YES! It is that simple! See HERE for people who use this stuff in Australia. feel free to contact them and ask questions. You will notice that one of the most glowing Testimonials is from the Porsche Centre, Brisbane. They are the nearest, and only, Porsche retailer/service centre in Queensland. They are approximately 1500 miles { YES 1500 MILES! } south of us. Australia is THAT big! And dry! And Queensland is not even the biggest state! As much as I am trying to promote Magic Wash and gain a foothold in the USA the continued ignorance of the American people for anything outside of the continental USA is wearying! The main reason I asked JohnD for permission to promote Magic Wash on Rennlist is because I have received nothing but help and friendship from these 'band of brothers' since I joined! I felt that if I was to offer the opportunity of a lifetime to people then it may as well be people that I know and like and have like interests to me.I have met several of the 'front engined' crowd personally and consider them friends. Stop being so negative, all of you, and consider this with an open mind! This stuff WORKS! I have no idea how, but it does! Wait for the posts on the test results. You will be surprised.

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Mr. Smith, I don't know you from Crocodile Dundee so you can take this with a grain of salt but I don't think marketing is your strong suit. Marketing 101: It is not good to insult potential customers. Sincerely, An Ignorant American and Ex-Potential Customer P.S. We all know Crocodile Dundee and Steve Irwin -- we're not that ignorant.

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You are probably perfectly correct and an apology is in order. OK. I apologise. BUT, and this is a big one: Since originally posting on this and all the other 'big' forums I have been spending 6-8 hours per day replying to posts and PM's. This in addition to my normal, full time job with rotating 10-12 hr shifts. Members on this forum and some of the other forums have implied that I am lying and have basically called all I have stated as B.S.! Australians are a proud people and pride ourselves on our multiculturalism and knowledge of the World at Large. I am not going to sit back and basically be called a liar. Australia is one of the few developed, westernised nations on Earth: * Never to have had an invading army on their soil *never to have had a civil war *never had hostile troops encroach on our mainland * gained independence and self rule by democratic process without violence * participated in every conflict and war from the beginning since the Boxer uprising in China We think: * the majority of Australians have no idea what the 2nd verse of the National Anthem is! * a minority of Australians dont even know the words to the 1st verse! * a very small minority say "What's an anthem?" * it is not against the law to burn the Australian National Flag in a protest *we all universally hate politicians and rank them alongside lawers and used car salesmen as a believable occupation. *despite all of the above, Australians are fiercly patriotic and will defend their country to the death. We just don't like to show it in public. Australians have invented alone or in collaboration: *Penicillan *Wine Casks *the aircraft 'black box' *advanced aircraft landing systems *the mechanical wheat harvester *the mechanical sugar-cane harvester *the rotating clothes hoist *the petrol engined lawn mower * innovative and advanced medical proceedures in any field you can imagine *the 'stubby cooler' Have given the world: *Errol Flynn * Paul Hogan (as opposed to Crocidile Dundee who is a character in a film!) *Steve Irwin who is like that ALL the time! *Nellie Melba (google it) *Lamingtons! Yum! *Dame Edna Everage (aka Barry humphries) *Eric Bana *Russell Crowe (adopted!) *AC/DC *INXS *The 10 tenors *People who tapdance on steel plates with steel cap boots! We have: *a surface area roughly equiveland to the continental USA with a population of about 25 million spread around the edges *the oldest continent on the planet [yes, continent!] *the largest island on Earth * the most unique wildlife *the oldest rainforests *the 2nd (bugger) biggest deserts *some of the best wines in the world *some of the best beers in the world *definately the best beaches *most assuredly the best climate (that's by accident not design!) *the smallest mountains *the driest continent *the most expensive cars *Magic Wash I did not intend to denigrate the American people but you guys have been having a go at me and enough is enough! Keep an open mind and wait for the test result posts to come online. I am completely confident that there will be no adverse comments. Repeat NO adverse comments! The reason, my opinion and many others, that the USA is so maligned by the media and public worldwide is because their foreign policy is totally aimed at USA #1 everybodyelse,who cares. Patriotism is a great thing. But sometimes it carries over too far. Enough said. If my posts previously upset people I am sorry, but, call me a liar enough times and I will finally respond. For further info on Australia go to this post in O.T. BTW: Sorry about the rant. Again! But we have a great product that is great for the planet and I refuse to be bullied. Brian

POST 24Original post

OMG! You have some serious problems. Please seek professional medical help. It is not healthy to live that way.

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First off let me state that I am not personally attacking anyone here. I believe that these types of products have their place in the detailing arena BUT please trust me here folks...DO NOT use this or any other "waterless" wonder wash on your Porsche, Ferrari, Mercedes, BMW, Maserati or even your Yugo (OK, maybe it can be used on a Yugo) if it has heavy mud, dirt or grime on it. You'll scratch the hell out of it. This product, and others like it, are fine for maintenance work AFTER it has been washed and then waxed properly. I know guys who use these products about twice a week on their cars and they like it. With that said let me reply to a few of the claims made by the inventor. In regards to statement #1. I would NEVER use a chamois on any paint period. A chamois, either natural or synthetic, harbors grit and it is difficult for that grit to be released from the chamois fibers. Eventually this grit builds up and soon you'll notice that you're introducing marring on your paints surface as you dry. You can see for yourself next time you wash and dry your car with a chamois, you'll notice that it CLINGS to the paints surface, almost like a second skin. Now if a gust of wind blows up some grit and lands on your car as you are drying it there is no place for that grit to go but right into the paint. The same goes with synthetic spones. They trap grit and also harbor soap. Ever try and rid a synthetic sponge of soap residue? It's nearly impossible. Instead of a chamois use some nice waffle weave microfiber towels and instead of synthetic sponges use some deep sea "rock wool" sponges. These feel like a rock when dry but place them in a bucket of water and they become soft as a baby's butt! They hold tons of soap BUT they also release it all plus the grit because they are so porous. Microfiber cloth also releases the grit when washed. A neat trick for drying is to use an electric leaf blower....but only use one that is dedicated for car drying!! Don't mulch your lawns leaves then use it to blow dry the car as you'll be hurling debris at the car. Use electric over gas as the gas and oil may leak onto the car. As for glass, the 3 major contenders in this "waterless" wash arena that I have used and tested can ALL be used on glass. As for statement #2....it makes no sense really. The creator claims it leaves behind no wax or protectants so they want you to clean the surface but not condition it? What about UV blockers? Your best bet is to use a PH balanced cleaner....heck Woolite mixed 6:1 with water makes a great leather/vinyl cleaner and then use a conditioner to not only keep the materials supple but also block UV. The last 3 statements are far too generalized to really have any meaning for they would have had to have tested and compared ALL "waterless" wash products in order to make those claims. Even if they did, who did the testing? The creator of the product or an independant facility? Now I am not saying the product is bad but rather I am trying to demonstrate that many claims made by manufacturers are marketing hype and as a professional, one who tests products for companies, these come off to me like a "snake oil" pitch. I am expecting a little man with a bold red bowtie to come out and start throwing all kinds of crap on the car and then lighting it on fire to demonstrate the products abilities. Anthony

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Don't forget those fugly sweaters he wore as well

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You forgot Mel Gibson (or is he still considered American because he was born in New York?) Also, I know Crocodile Dundee is the character and Paul Hogan is the actor but since he only had one hit film here in the U.S. it is sort of like Christopher Reeves is Superman -- Paul Hogan is Crocodile Dundee. Anyway, I have nothing against you personally, I'm just trying to offer some advice. If you had demonstrated the same amount of knowledge in your product as you did about Australian history/pop culture then maybe you would have better success. Instead, your sales pitch is pretty much "I don't know how it works but trust me it does!" So here's another tip: Americans are very skeptical of sales pitches. The testimonials/endorsements from satisfied customers will help but don't be surprised if even after all those endorsements you still encounter some skeptics. C'est la vie. Anyway, I wish you luck in your business endeavor. I look forward to reading the testimonials.

POST 28Original post

Hi everyone, I am Charles Liew, the Inventor of "magic Car Wash 4 cars & Porsches Australia (International) I would like everyone to take it more liight heartedly about this product, including Brian, who I know well. He is very passionate about the product and mearly wanted to spread the massage. I think he has expended monies to send samples, so lets just see what comes back. There is no need anymore to analyse and reanalyse each others writings. Everyone in this world has an opinion. Let's all be patient and see what the testers come back with. The bottom line is, the messenger brought you all, his friends, a message. At the end of it he may win some converts and some non-converts. It's simply just another choice for you - to use or not to use. Let us all, including me, drive our cars and be happy All the Best Regards to all. Charles Liew, Cairns, Australia m (61) 0418183031 t (61) 0740551888 +10 hours GMT.

POST 29Original post

Our experiences coincide 100%. I usually buy silver German cars, and silver masks the superficial scratches that you get from the improper washing and drying your car. My last car purchase however was black. It's absolutely gorgeous when clean and the paint's reflection qualities are comparable to that of a mirror. I have found the following washing and drying process the best for eliminating or at least minimizing damage to the clear coat. Water is the key. I rinse the entire car thoroughly, and then prior to washing I re-rinse the area to be washed. I use 100% cotton cloths for washing. The cloth is thoroughly rinsed by the hose after each section of the car is washed to remove any debris. I then use an air compressor with a filter to dry the car. I completely dry the car using microfiber cloths. The last step is to use a good detailing spray polish to remove any smudge marks and to enhance the car's shine. The idea of not using water is completely inimical to my experiences. It is incomprehensible to me that rubbing hard grit against the soft clear coat paint would not produce scratches. A few years ago I saw a beautiful new black 996 turbo at an auto show. The car looked fabulous from at least five feet away, but when I got close I could see all of the swirl marks in the clear coat. The exhibitors had paid some boys to routinely wipe the dust from the cars. Since the cars were clean, the boys used the same towels for all of the cars. That poor black Porsche's clear coat really took a beating from all of the rubbing with a dusty towel. Now I'm not disparaging this waterless product, since I have never used it. I'm simply stating that based on my experiences I am extremely skeptical of any waterless washing product, particularly when used on black cars.

POST 30 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Thanks Charles Next time I need a bodyguard I'll give you a ring! Will come to the office on Thursday. There may be some posts by then from the samples.

POST 31Original post

ok. u must b out of stuff. Need some more? must show u the new preperation that ive been field testing 4 long enough reming me to demo it see u

POST 32 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Another tester replies. https://rennlist.com/forums/924-931-944-951-968-forum/253622-car-wash-product-review-magic-wash-4-porsches.html

POST 33 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Whilst we wait for more testers in the USA and Canada to post I thought I should share this with you. Get Google to translate for you. LOL New Testimonial from Japan! P-horse, Japan I have finally had the chance to try the magic wash and I am happy to report that we will endorse it to our customers through our shop, with your blessings, of course. I washed my own Porsche 993 twin turbo with it and I found it terrific. The color of my car is Arena Red, which, as you know, shows up dirt very easily. Unlike Australia or California during dry spells, we do have ample water in Japan. So, we will offer your product as a quick and convenient detailing fix for those people who want to spruce up their rides without taking it to the local car wash. It should also appeal to those who live in apartments here without quick access to a garden hose. I look forward to trying the other products in the demonstration bundle you sent us and I will report on those as we test them out. As promised, the magic wash is obviously environmentally friendly and our adverts for your products will emphasize the three points I have mentioned: a convenient detailing product; doesn't require much water; and a great green product to use with confidence. We are still revamping our web site and within a month hope to finish the English version of it with pictures of your products on it as a car care package that includes: RejeX, Magic Wash, and another scratch filler and gloss restorer that my partner has found here. So: Magic Wash to clean the car; RejeX to protect it; and my partner's product to smooth out scratches and bring out the gloss. I am especially interested in the water spot remover in our demo package. We just need a car to test it on. Richard Paulson

POST 34Original post

Is this, or will this product be "competively" priced?

POST 35 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Don We currently retail in Oz @ $AUD10/ lt (about a quart) The price in the USA will depend on many factors, but I cannot see it being any dearer even factoring in freight because of the more abundant suppliers of pakaging etc.

POST 36Original post

I would like to try a bottle...let me know where/how the get it...I never use water to wash my P...live in Southern California and dust is my only real problem....so I use Meguiar (!?) stuff ( I forgot what it is called) the dry wash my P...it is black and yes it has swirl marks, but after 6 years and 62K what do you expect!? I just keep my car clean all the time...looks better that way.

POST 37Original post

How to get this to USA & UK ? Beeg and I need help

POST 38 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Ladies and gentlemen My humble apologies. Notwhitstanding the fact that this stuff works, and we are still waiting for posts from all the testers in the various forums, I humbly appologise for misleading you as to the business aspects of this product. I sat down with the inventor this morning, a Mad Chinaman with a Fu Manchu beard, and received my first lesson in 'Business and marketing 101'. The actual marketing/distributorship/licensing agreement for Magic Wash will be: * You come up with a business plan which we approve of, ensuring adequate capitalisation to cover costs. * After a license has been purchased we will advise on the requirements of production of the product. * Your exclusive license for your area costs you XXXX amount of Australian dollars and gives you 5 years exclustivity for your market. * There are NO yearly license fees for the first 5 years. * You can renew your license after 5 years at a cost to be negotiated depending on your success/turnover. * You can onsell your license at any time for a profit after approval from the parent company {Us!}. * You can purchase concentrate, literature etc from us at very low cost. We have alredy filmed a TV ad which we will make available at no cost. Dub your own voiceover to suit your market. * How you market the product is up to you. We will answer any queries and advise as necessary. * You can engage/employ any distributors or demonstrators as you see fit. It is your market and we respect your right to work it as you will. * With the correct marketing approach, i.e water saving, eco friendly, biodegradeable, drinkable/safe, this product is a shoe-in to be successful!

POST 39 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

To all who asked for samples. Those that I could supply have been sent. I only ask that you try the product, in accordance with the enclosed directions, and post an honest reply. So far there have only been two replies across the 'list. I went to a great deal of trouble, including a BIG suckup to JohnD, to get this stuff to you guys. It is only fair you try it and post your results. Please. With current water restrictions being enforced around the world {tho maybe not in your area, but other places} this stuff works and has no bad properties. Testers please post in the next few days, I would appreciate it. Thanks

POST 40 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

A testimonial from the 993 board: at: https://rennlist.com/forums/993-forum/249836-o-t-amazing-new-car-care-product.html with pics

POST 41 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Ladies and Gentlemen We have had enough posts on what Magic Wash works like. Yes it works as stated! Yes it saves water! Yes it is enviro friendly (soon to be certified by the Australian Waterwise Council)! To enable us to get this product to you we need committed individuals to invest a small amount of capital to ensure they have a 5 year, exclusive access to their market. Whether you promote the product as a 'Water Saving Car Wash' or ' A touch up and go' wash is up to you. No more samples will be sent, sorry, but the cost is prohibative. Contact me if you are interested in a Distributorship. Include your business plan and capitalisation. We are really picky because we want our distributors to succeed!

POST 42Original post

And there is the comical punchline we all have been waiting for

POST 43Original post

I can send you the same product without any huge investment. PM me if interested. These products are nice and yes they do work, I use Optimum No Rinse on many of the Porsches I detail and it uses very little water and the paint comes out very nice, with no marring. So if you want to invest in a small side venture then get this Aussie stuff but if don't want that but just wish to save water and keep your Porsche nice then PM me. The No Rinse is $30 a gallon and you only use about 2 to 4 ounces with up to 4 gallons of water. Anthony

POST 44 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

I have received advice that fellow 'listers have started buying from our current 'sole' US distributer { Website } I realise there are still people waiting for the samples I promised. Hopefully they will leave DENVER [yes you, Geoff!] sometime shortly. Dont hesitate to email me with any further enquiries. Ta

POST 45Original post

Well from going to their website it appears to be the ONLY thing they distribute. Wouldnt' it have been easy to get these fine folks to peddle this? { LINK }

POST 46Original post

Well, he wanted testimonals and he just got one.

POST 47Original post

From the Magic Spray & Wipe Website : Magic 1 Qt $8.95 returns 7 hrs FREE TIME FOR BUSY CAR OWNERS Amazing formula that 'floats' debris off car surfaces, ready to be chamoised away ! 1 Qt = 1 x whole car plus 15 part cars = 6 w/ends of washes = FREE TIME OF 7 HOURS FOR $8.95 What the heck does that mean? I knew I should've paid more attention in math class.

POST 48Original post

Hell, I teach stats and can't figure that one out!

POST 49Original post

If you buy into the concept of waterless washes, you'll buy into the math. I'm waiting to see this product advertised on TV along with the infamous $19.95 turbonator that will substantially increase your engine's HP and gas mileage.

POST 50Original post

Urban Legend Alert! Please go ahead if you wanna scratch your paint with particles rolling on your fine car paint. This product belongs in countries like Australia where you are not even allowed to wash your car at home and have to go a machine or manual carwash that are equally as bad in terms of the chance getting your paint scratched. Belongs at TV Shop!

POST 51Original post

you are wrong. only one 8th of australia has water resytictions.

POST 52Original post

And that happens to be the main cities (where you find Porsches) as far as I know.

POST 53Original post

and sometimes only, when its pretty bad. you pray your water lasts for you, when the whole world is concerned about it. The worlds weather is changing, and you and your car, and mine contributes to it. Dont be too smug about it. Charles

POST 54Original post

To save water, I would suggest to all, that they get their car treated with Rejex and all you will need to do is wash it max once a week!

POST 55 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

I don't care whether you buy or not! Check out the web video! Sara is just 18! Sara

POST 56Original post

If you are using "Sara" to pimp your product you might not sell to anybody. By the way, just love that slogan you have "Stop Scratching Your Car".......just spray on and wipe off. Are you kidding me?

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