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Bilstein HD/H&R vs. ROW 030

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This was due to the fact that the 02-04 cars are heavier and the shock rates were adjusted to thoes values.

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The C4S is probably a little stiffer due to weight.

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The C4S is probably a little stiffer due to weight.

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POST 1 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Which is the better setup guys... the Bilstein HD + H&R springs or the ROW 030...? I don't plan to track the car much... maybe 10%. thx Pete 99C2 -6 speed Aluminum package PSE

POST 2Original post

you get upgraded anti-roll bars with the m03 and no guess work. if it was me, x74.

POST 3 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

X74 sits REALLY low!!! don't know what the diff between the two are?

POST 4Original post

x74 and m030 have the same uprated anti-roll bars, but allows a greater range of camber adjustments. it is lower, but besides improving mech. grip, it looks so cool. i saw a comparo in a german rag that pitted a 3.4 x51/x74 996 against a mk I gt3. their times at hockenheim were very close.

POST 5Original post

Expect the H&R to sit about as low. They lower about 1 inch to 1.25 inches. The X74 is suppose to be 40mm which is about 1.5 inches so the difference is 0.25 inches. As far as which one is better between H&R and M030 the H&R has a slightly stiffer rate so they will be a little better. The sway bars do make up some of that difference. My suggestion is the M030 if you don't want it too low. Given the same bars the H&R has the slight advantage, but I'm not sure how will it compare to the X74.

POST 6Original post

I spent a LOT of time analyzing suspensions for my 04 Targa before trading it and, despite concerns about low ride height in L.A., I finally decided to go with X74. Look at Gert's site and the comments from other owners on his site (carnewal.com) (most comments quoted from rennlist, I think). I also had a long talk with Gert before deciding (super knowledgeable guy!). Gert also has new pricing on X74, I think its E1,595 including shipping now. I had it on order but canceled when I got the 997S.

POST 7Original post

The std sport suspension on the c4s, is that akin to the 030 or x74?

POST 8Original post

The lowering you get with the M030 is pretty minimal... The X74 package puts it closer to GT3 ride height. photo of GT3 just to give an idea I would go with either the M030 or the X74 simply because they are factory matched shocks, springs, and swaybars.

POST 9Original post

Is there an X74 which works for 99-01 cars, though? (Pete's car is a '99)

POST 10Original post

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POST 11Original post

X74 is not recomended for the '99-01 as per factory. This was due to the fact that the 02-04 cars are heavier and the shock rates were adjusted to thoes values. The difference in weight is minimal (less than 200lbs) and the parts will fit. If you like the X74 use them on the earlier cars as there really is no problem with using them on earilier cars.

POST 12Original post

gert will sell you the x74 minus 'bars. you can add the gt3 adjustable 'bars for greater tune-ablity and have the best of both worlds.

POST 13Original post

Rob, Do you have pics of the difference in the front?

POST 14Original post

I've got this shot, but it's harder to see. The front isn't as dramatic as the rear. Every car settles a little differentlty though.

POST 15Original post

C4S Surgeon: The stock suspension for the C4S is the ROW M030, at least that is what our dealer service rep told me when I had them install PSS9.

POST 16 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

ok... the X74 sure is low.... ROW 030 height should be stock one very porsche.. it just "looks right"... is it difficult to perform an alignment once X74 is on... reason I ask is cause my buddy dropped his A4 with a koni kit and they couldn't get it on the machine for proper alignment!!

POST 17Original post

CJ,The C4S is about the same as M030, probably slightly different springs to account for all that excess weight! Sloth I still think you had one of the best looking C2s around.

POST 18Original post

No they are not. The C4S has different spring for ROW and US versions. The C4S are a stronger spring rate than both a standard C2. They are on par with the M030 as the S means Sport. The C4S is probably a little stiffer due to weight.

POST 19Original post

I think you are right, the springs are stiffer, also row c4s's have a different pn spring.

POST 20Original post

My next question is how much of a bitch would it be to put on row c4s/030 springs? Any benefit? Baby, it digs now but I want more!

POST 21Original post

My dealer charged $800 to install my RoW 030, the labor for the springs alone would be pretty close.

POST 22Original post

I am aware of a highly recommended (by rennlisters) alignment shop in L.A. that only charges $250-350, but my dealer had quoted me something more like $800. If you can find a local non-dealer Porsche shop, I expect you could save a lot.

POST 23Original post

Thanks DJ. I keep hoping to see it around sometime.

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