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I have had a 2000 996 for two years, and am thinking about a swap to a 993. The 996 has quality issues, especially on the motor side. The 993 is bullet prof, and overall build quality is better. Also, it looks like the 993 prices have bottomed out, while the 996 is still falling pretty steep. And the looks of the 993 is the best 911 ever. Are there anyone out there who has gone from a 993 to a 996 or the other way around, who can express their opinions and feelings, comparing the two types of 911's?
If you enjoyed your A/C in your 996, well....it won't be the same in the 993, which is a notch up from the 911, which was basically non existent.
I think the only quality difference I noticed with 993's is that the doors "snapped" shut beautifully. Not nearly as snappy on the 996, but that's about the only quality difference I've noticed. Everything else seems stronger on the 996.
J
Porsche has not built a "bulletproof car" yet. The 993 like the 996 has plenty of issues. As for the build quality, both cars were built on the same production line (along with the Boxster....gasp
) for a time.
Additionally, 993 prices do continue to fall (but at a slower rate than the 996).
There is plenty to like about both cars. Good luck with your decision.
+1 The doors on 993's do close nice. One of the benefits of having a frame around the glass (at the expense of aerodynamics). However if I was going to get hit, I'd rather be sitting behind the reinforced doors of a 996 that include side airbags than the doors of an older 911.
My first Porsche was a 993 that I bought and owned for 2 years. It was a one owner before I bought it. It had about 150,000 miles on it. The engine was never rebuilt. I sold it with about 180,000 miles on it. During those miles I made some upgrades repaired some items but the car was always solid. The buyer now tracks the car and recently shared that he is enjoying the car. He got a good PPI and the engine was solid when he bought it...again never rebuilt.
I have owned my 996 with less than 20,000 miles since January. Like my 993 I drive it everyday. Now a car with 20,000 miles compared to 180,000 miles in most cases would be significant. But I can say that my 993 was a great ride. My 996 is different and great too.
I like my 996 better. Its newer, quieter, handles about the same, has more horsepower, and more comfortable in a big way. What I miss about the 993: the rumble of the engine, the gurgle of the oil, the smell of burning oil inside the cabin and the nice *** of the rear fenders. And I agree the sound of door shutting is better on the 993 as well. I do miss working on my Porsche, the 993 required routine attention, and the 996 I just drive.
As a daily driver the 996 is far and away a better car. I think mechanically they have different risks but of the same order of magnitude.
I can't even believe there is another thread on the quality of the 996 vs the 993. The 996 could be the most roadworthy of any car I've EVER driven. The thing is bulletproof. I've heard about RMS, but I've not had it. I have no idea of the percentage either. My car is going on 8 years old and I'm stunned how good and how well it runs. As for 993s, they had their fair share of problems also. Remember, it's always an issue when it happens to you. But if you're in the game for speed, handling, driveability, durability, etc, you would be foolish to back up a vintage.
regardless of the quality argument, 996 has a far better look than the 993, both inside and out (clearly IMO). also, I just don't believe the cars don't continue to be made better with each year
Both great cars. I've only driven a 993 a few miles, but I did enjoy the "rawness" of it. I occasionally ponder selling the 996 for a '00 Boxster S and an early SC.
Sorry to here about your quality problems, but I think you are going the wrong direction. You need to go newer and not older if you want better quality. It really depends if you are intending this car to be a daily driver versus a weekend toy, the climate you live in and if performance is a requirement. You need to take a few more things in mind before you make your decision:
1. A 993 will be slower than your current 996
2. A 993 with have worst braking performance than your current 996 due to smaller brakes with multi-piece calipers instead of Monoblocks
3. A 993 won't handle as well as your 996
4. You will get the archaic interior of a 911 of the 70', which means hunting for switches, minor electrical issues and poor quality on anything that pivots (glove box, door pockets, etc.)
5. Your cast for maintenance will go up as 993s have much shorter service intervals
6. If the temperature gets over 95, prepare to bake as the A/C is not as efficient as a 996
7. The heat from the heat exchangers when it is cold is rarely addequate
If your criteria is you live in a mild climate, it is not a daily driver, performance is not key, you don't care about the cost of maintenance and really like the older 911 bodystyle, a 993 could very well be your car. If this is not your criteria, you should be looking to move up to a later 996 (3.6L) or a 997.
I'm a 996 fan (that's why I own one), but I have to disagree with this. Exterior styling is the one area where I think the 993 is far superior. Of course this is purely a subjective argument, so we'll have to agree to disagree.
All that being said, I would not trade my 996 for a 993, although I might want to add a 993 to the stable (particularly the TT variety)
Hey you 996 fanatics! I posted the same thread on the 993 forum. Completely different answers, especially from the guys that have had 996's before. The 96 is certainly a more modern car, but the 993 is more a genuine sportscar, demanding more of its driver. I love my 996, but the looks of the 993 is much better. And the nostalgy of owning an air cooled Porsche. And like many of the 993 guys said, the 996 is (nearly) like any other modern car, while the 993 makes the driver feel really alive. I haven't made up my mind yet, but I really want the 993 for its uniquenes compared to modern cars.
If you really want to be "unique", get a horse. Talk about that "nostalgic" feeling and how you are really in touch with both the driver and the vehicle being 'alive' while riding.
I've driven both 993s and my 996 on a track, and I don't agree with this at all. Sure, if you're just going to tool around town, the 993 is more demanding, since it doesn't have air conditioning or heat that actually works! 996s equipped with PSM give you an extra safety net, but both cars are demanding due to their rear-engined layout and both are extremely satisfying to drive hard when you get it right.
You've already made up your mind and are just trolling at this point. Go with the car that's right for you. We personally don't care which car you drive. Have fun!
I had a '96 93 coupe for a year. I do my own maintenance, so I did the 15K service. What a severe PITA! Just an oil change is a major event. Compare that with the lower requirements (longer life plugs and fewer of them) and easier access (one oil drain, one oil filter) for 996 maintenance. The 993 is iconic, has the looks, the sound, the 1960's dashboard and ergonomics. The 996 is faster, lighter, and I don't know about the build quality. I have an '02 cab, and nothing has fallen off of it (30K miles so far) and it's had very few issues. The "hand built" 993 had runs in the paint... and that was factory paint, not a redo.
I also had a 964. If I had (or wanted) to go back, I'd get the 964. More problematic, but closer to a "real" 911 than the 993 was, IMHO.
But hey, I can buy any car I want, 993, 997, and I chose the 996.
Michael
(needs to change his username, huh?)
+1, 964 has even more "connection" with the car than the 993.... if you want an even more "raw" feel the 930... and the 3.0... and so on... rawness feel equals to lack of technology. This lack of technology doesnt not make it go faster and easier to drive... but that is necessarily not bad thing.
I did, but the GT3 is not the ordinary 996.
Yes, the build quality is better on the 993 and yes the 993 does have a more sensual look to the body. However the GT3 performance, feel, and experience is so much better you don't really care about the other things.
In your case if you only drive occasionally, the 993 might be a better driver for you. It just depends on what you want in a car.
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