how much does it worth ? 1999 60k miles hail damage

I wonder how much do you think is worth a 1999 996 C2 with HEAVY hail damage ? I was contacted by the owner who is trying to squeeze a little bit more money out of his totaled 996, and I am trying to see how it would fit if I decided to convert it to a race car. I am talking about 1000 golf ball sized hail coming on the car - all windows broken - windshield broken - headlight and taillight broken out of their sockets! - every single body panel look like a golf ball including pilars the car is running fine and I am planning on converting it to a full race car. I'd assume a car in good condition would be worth what $20k ? So I'd say 10k for a car like this, no ? Updated: it seems the best way might be to have the insurance buy it and then the owner can try to buy it back for little to nothing and then sell it to me as a bonus This car might be tough to save though..

Holy Sheeet!

$20K less 25% less cost of repairs. Sometimes the value will be a negative number. In that case the value of the salvaged components less the cost of removal and selling. Or, whatever you think it's worth

problem is that I am afraid the insurance will actually offer the owner more than what it worth to me :S I am waiting to see the insurance 'offer', I wish I could buy it for whatever the insurance will sell the car for but then it might be hard to track down when the insurance will sell it Does anyone has any idea if it is possible to talk to the insurance adjuster and make them an offer I assume they prefer to sell in bulk to salvage company, but I'd hope I could save that one How much do you think the insurance will offer the owner ?

Wow. Just wow... :0( I don't think you want to spend what it would take to repair that enough to make it a race car. Cheaper to buy someone else's '99 996 that has a blown or very high mileage motor, and swap out your motor/transmission, keep the Turbo-twists and tires, keep the spare tire and tools in the trunk. Send the rest off to the recycler. Or maybe put the take offs from the donor car onto your damaged car and maybe get $5k from a recycler. Just my personal opinion. I have absolutely no experience at what I am suggesting.

I am thinking with a race car I need to replace all windows with plastic and I don't care about the look of the panel until I replace them with carbon fiber anyways. head and taillight I don't need. If the engine is good...

I grew up in Kansas and have seen way too many cars totaled by hail stones. Good luck with the purchase.

If it were a sphere it would be more aerodynamic.

Take the check and build a garage

Wowza! Most of the time the insurance will give you an option to buy it back, once they total it out. For couple grand it would be worth it, and just CF the whole thing.

The car is toast, you will not be able to repair that car with $10K. That car has an easy $20K in damage to make it right again. Headlights, tail lights, and all windows, that alone is over $5K. Hell it may be more than 20K in damage. I wouldn't touch it. I've raced SCCA for years and that car will never pass the safety inspection.

Take what ever the Insurance give you and buy another. Then move on.

The car is worthless to anyone who does not have the time to gut it and part it out. To a racer, all it has of value is the engine and transmission, which you could use as spares, but who knows how long either of them would last. $10k is way too much to pay for it.

Hey guys, it isn't his Porsche, he's trying to buy it at a drastically reduced price based on the insurance number.

Hail? Are you sure it wasn't a meteor shower?

yes I confirm, I am trying to find a way to get a good deal out of this hail situation. I am not the owner of the car. I was contacted by the owner and trying to see how the situation could be advantageous... or not.

My WAG is the car is worth very little. While it mechanically is ok the amount of body damage likely means the car is a total loss and since the body panels are damaged this removes a good source of a car's salvage value. Essentially there is a donor engine, tranny, running gear, and interior pieces. But what it is worth...? If I owned the car I'd call Oklahoma Foreign and see what someone there would offer me for the car. Be prepared to supply lots of pics. The person you talk to will describe the pic angles, etc. The car could be a race car but it will never be a suitable street car again, unless its new owner likes driving around in a car that looks like a winner of a demolition derby. Sincerely, Macster.

Often times in a situation like this the ins co will total the car. The owner will be paid off, less any deductible and will often be able to buy it from the ins co for salvage. The salvage value will be determined by the ins co. This can be a very good deal for someone interested in keeping the vehicle. Find out what this this value is from the owner and deal with him directly.

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Exactly.

Wow, what a mess! Looks like what my wife would do to my car with a baseball bat if I was caught with another woman!

Engine, tranny, wheels, and brakes are worth some money.

The pumpkins look relatively good.

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LOL! This is why my cars are always parked in a garage. It's a shame. It will be totalled, sold as salvage and parted out by someone.

Quite frankly, I'm surprised that nobody has suggested replacing the IMS Congrats on finding a great spec 996 car. It always bugs me a little when someone rips up a perfectly good driver.

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Pure EVIL!

Phil, my cousin still has two 996 race cars in storage. The motors are blown but if your interested in buying one as a parts car let me know.

I wonder what kind of oil it used?

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More like a very jealous and pi$$ed-off girlfriend or mistress with a small ball-peen hammer!

You could always just replace the glass and the broken lights and leave the rest as it is. You could enjoy driving a Porsche every day, and park it right up front without any worries about door dings!

Wow I could only imagine the pain in my stomach if I walked outside and saw my car like that. Lesson to everyone, time to clear out the 500.00 bucks worth of junk in your garage! Interested to hear the insurance salvage price. Can't be much.

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See Marc... Your fender bender wasn't so bad after all!

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That's what I was thinking!

What about water damage to the interior? Electrical issues?

Looking at that makes me feel ill. That's a sad way for a car to die.

Now this is where the wrap modder would get a great deal. Smooth body filler all over it. Sand it down and then wrap the lot of it over. BINGO. New car.

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I have to admit I did not think about that. Last time I saw hail, there is not that much water as it is ice coming down, but the electrical connection in the 996 are quite exposed on the shelf. There could be problem there as well, you are right. The more I think about, the more I think it is worth the price of the engine and not that much more. Might have to leave this to a professional dismantler indeed.

It says loads about how little the owner valued that car--to park it outside in hail country. It's worth very little.

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Hardback I am interested in buying one of these, how can I find out more info?

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Byprodiver, Phil has first dibs on the car if he chooses. If not, I will get you my uncle's contact info and you can work directly with him. One of the race cars was used as parts for the other. Pm your info please.

Phil email sent...

Hopefully I can see the cars and make a decision on those. I'll try to get some decent picture as well and if I choose not to buy it, then Prodriver can make a decision. Hopefully we can get those babies back on track

Speed dimples. I think the car could be a good base for a track car if you're able to do the repair work yourself. Finding a fairly inexpensive replacement hood and fenders shouldn't be too difficult and the dents on the doors and rear quarters are something you could live with if you don't care about how pretty it is. You could probably make a decent amount of money back by stripping the interior and selling off what you can. And since the front and rear glass are already out along with the interior, replacing the roof is actually a fairly simple task on these cars as far as panel replacement goes in a properly equipped body shop (also, it would mean you can ditch the sunroof as well for weight savings). At the end of the day it really comes down to how nice you want the car to look when you're done with it and how much time/money you're willing to put into it. If it were me, I'd say $5k or so would be the price I'd be willing to pay for it assuming the drivetrain was all there and there is no water damage to the electronics.

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I'd go a little higher than that, but not much.

Paintless dent repair and a little polishing compound? seriously though....doesn't look like structural damage....if you can get it for the salvage buy-out it may be worth it..take off the bumpers, smooth them out, same with the hood...bondo the bodywork you can't remove, get a wrap for the car, and race the **** out of it....

PDR will cost you $2500 at least. The body would alright then...

what PDR means ? ?

Paintless dent removal

Some insurance companies for bikes at least offer a buy back after totalling the car.

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DITTO

To answer your question, If I was keeping the engine and trans for my own personal stock, id go as much as 5k If I was buying it as a "cant say no" $2500 But thats just my opinion and what i would be willing to go.

997 body kit. New fenders, bumpers, hood, lights... fix the rest.

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This. With the front sheet metal taken off, you can get the body straight with like ~$1K of paintless dent repair work. They'll pop the roof and doors with absolutely no issues and quarter panels to like 95% (100% if they can get to it from inside).

I would love to see the look on the face of the PDR tech when this car is rolled in.

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Probably something along these lines:

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High end PDR companies actually follow and monitor hail storms and they have a specific hail team for these sort of cars. Think of a dealership being riddled with hail... All the cars on the lot are affected and the hail team will get at all of them. The dealers write some pretty big cheques!! But all in all, this car is a project car if somone has the time for it. It's a oppertunity for an enthusiast that knows what he's doing to take advantage. New LED tails... Clear corners new front bumper as it is plastic or just re-sprayed. All metal would need PDR and it looks like most of the top surfaces have been affected. The expensive part would be replacing all the glass and the front headlights. Also depends on the condition of the car overall. I would get a PPI first in regards to the mechanics of it all. Then calculate the cosmetic damage. If you are a DIY type of guy, this would be the time to install all the lighting yourself, take the front bumper off for a re-spray or upgrade the bumper and clean the rads at the same time, etc, etc, etc....

I don't understand...if the insurance company is going to "total" the car, simple offer to buy it back from them. Once it's totalled, it can't be sold for street use anyway...I guess the laws might be different where you are. If they can recoup some of the money they paid out to total it, more than they'd make sending it to a dismantler....then they'd sell it to you.

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Totaling the car meaning they will not pay for the repair. You can always buy it back from them and fix it yourself and get it rectified for the road; only cars with certificate of destruction can't be rebuilt.

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This is what I keep thinking. What would that cost? Less than a grand and you could have the body looking "perfect" again? Replace the glass and lighting and drive wherever you want. For all we know it was sitting outside because the guy's Veyron was in the garage. I don't know where hail country is, but my area probably qualifies and I don't worry much about leaving my car outside. It's just a car. I guess I wouldn't consider myself "less worthy" of owning a Porsche if it ever got hailed on. Life goes on.