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YOUR RESEARCHPPI are the the same? yes the 03 C4S....:)
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having the breaks checked for PCCB's or other.....
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Best case scenario, is that the PO installed PSS9s and they are set a tad too low.
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I think it is a standard form used by all dealers.
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they know I am skepticle and hopefully after my talk with them will really check the car out....
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also just now when talked to the Porsche dealer left specific notes to check front facia and rear spoiler for fit, if OEM or other, check undercarridge, etc...
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also just now when talked to the Porsche dealer left specific notes to check front facia and rear spoiler for fit, if OEM or other, check undercarridge, etc...
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They should also list any items that need to be fixed or replaced ie; broken hinge on storage unit in center console, broken courtesy lights in sunvisers etc.
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I am having the 2003 C4S go to a Porsche Dealer for the PPI. Do I need to tell them a lot of specific things to look for? Is there a certain criteria check list that PPI must go through?
I am trying to put together an intelligent list of things I want specific feedback on based on the car I am having looked at to make sure I get the best PPI possible.
for those not already sick and tired opf my posts here are some pics again of the car, some speculation here no doubt, but if things come out well could be a great car at a great price....
Thinking to start?
RMS checked
Build sheet if they can get a copy?
Any maintenance they can pull based on the VIN?
Aero parts are the OEM, fit OK, other?
Under carriage look clean?
Winshield look OK, many chips for year or been replaced?
Oil filter checked for metal shavings?
Brakes
Paint work (was told by selling BMW dealer hood was painted so looks new but again why at 15K miles?)
Tires
Engine in general, was motor ever pulled
Hoses, clamps, etc
How about compression? Cost involved in this?
other....
Looks sharp...two things I see:
1) Has the car been lowered? I don't particularly care for its stance (looks too low), though I'm probably in the minority here.
2) Make them include the removal of the cheap tint job. Personally, I can't stand that white/gray line that appears (rear driver's side window) when tint is installed over those little black dots around the perimeter of all the windows. Again, I'm probably in the minority...
The dealer has a specific PPI form he will fill out for the car. I think it is a standard form used by all dealers. If you have vehicle-specific things (painting of the hood, e.g.), you should ask about them specifically, but you don't have to list general things like tires, hoses, undercarriage, brakes, etc.
CP
+1 the car looks too low, find out what suspension it has. It's not a problem but it would be nice to know what setup the original owner used.
I still can't tell from the pics of those are CF brakes or the previous owner had them painted yellow - something else I'd want to know about.
They should also list any items that need to be fixed or replaced ie; broken hinge on storage unit in center console, broken courtesy lights in sunvisers etc. These items were defective and hence listed when my 996 had a PPI performed. They also used a list as mentioned by carpundit.
In past experiences I have found independant shops to be much more thorough in doing a PPI. I can think of one instance where I was the seller and the buyer wanted me to take the car to the dealer. I knew of several areas of concern with the car and none of these things were mentioned when the PPi results came back.
The dealer gave the car a glowing report and told the buyer it was the nicest car ( a 968 ) he had ever seen. I was suprised by this and of course told the buyer about the areas that I felt were in need of attention.
The bottom line is that a PPI cannot tell all, and in most cases are just providing a general overview of the condition of the car. I would also ask the tech to drive the car for at least 15 minutes as this also can detect many issues . Compression and leakdown numbers are also a good thing to check as well. This will cost additional dollars as it takes more time.
I have also seen and been involved in instances where I felt that the shop doing the PPI, used it as a way to generate high dollar repairs that were not really needed.
Every shop is different in how thorough they approach a PPI, so if you are making an out of town purchase it is wise to seek the refferals of local P car owners to reccomend a good shop.
Good luck, ( the car looks sharp )
I asked the same, I guess the owner had a factory OEM Porsche Adjustible Suspension installed....maybe set at the lowest setting?
Just called the Porsche Dealer and the BMW dealer is dropping off the car tomorrow!!!!!! Is this a good sign they are not trying to hide anything? Could come back as car is a wreck but think it was good they did not hesitate in agreeing to this to much.....
Also just told by the P car dealer they plan to go through the same exact checklist they do for CPO and thats what they plan on using..... stay tuned results posted tomorrow!!!!
having the breaks checked for PCCB's or other..... also just now when talked to the Porsche dealer left specific notes to check front facia and rear spoiler for fit, if OEM or other, check undercarridge, etc... they know I am skepticle and hopefully after my talk with them will really check the car out.... costing me 316$ and could be money I **** away if I don't buy the car but its well worth it as people have mentioned.....
I don't think there is such a thing as a "factory OEM Porsche Adjustable Suspension" for the C4S...the C4S came with factory sport suspension in North America but the ride height is much higher (mine is still stock). I'm guessing it just has the H&R lowering springs which tend to drop it that much. Best case scenario, is that the PO installed PSS9s and they are set a tad too low.
Those aren't PCCBs; in another post you can clearly see steel rotors. Calipers were simply painted yellow for bling effect.
First, that is not an OEM Aero kit... no way, no how.
The wheels are from a turbo and even have turbo center caps... so either they are take off from a turbo or cheap aftermarket knock-offs... Have them look for Porsche part #'s on the inside
The suspension.... never was a factory adjustable susp... Could be the X74 which is really low (this is a good susp). Or could be a PSS9 or H&R, etc. Find out and post here.
Brakes look like they were just painted yellow, dealer can tell you. no biggie, just a personal choice.
Good luck,
-Paul
I had the same question and went to the local Porsche dealership and asked. Basically, they pulled up the maintenance record from the VIN I supplied. For the PPI they explained that they use the same check list that they use in an inspection for a CPO. They review their findings to this point and the customer can cut and run or proceed to compression/leak down. This particular dealership said that they do a compression and if it looks suspect they follow with a leak down on the cylinder. They also mentioned that they check one bank and if it checks out, they would generally skip checking the other side. This didn't sound right, like they weren't working hard in my best interest.
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