Oil Starvation Kit from Brey Krause

What do you guys think of this kit that helps with the oil starvation issue on 996 and Boxster? Brey Krause Oil Kit

Some folks believe that tracked 996's are susceptible to oil starvation while others are not convinced. Are you a believer and how much do you need to spend to get peace of mind? I for one am going to avoid the BK oil kit until someone shows me definitive proof that 996 engines are failing because of oil starvation on the track. I'll spend the money saved on an extra day at the track instead.

Is the fact that Porsche Motorsports offered an oiling modification kit for the 996 proof enough for you? The problem was supposedly with cars running slicks and sustained high G turns so you might not experience the problem except on a roval. If I had a regular 996 I'd consider the BK kit as cheap insurance.

The kit from Porsche motorsports was for the 3.4 L. There is no kit for the 3.6L. And there lies the controversy. Does the 3.6L need one, or has it been improved from the 3.4L that it doesn't need one? The X51 powerkit has been modified for oil starvation, so does that mean the 3.6L non-powerkit should get one if you track? I think there is enough to suggest that the 3.6L does NOT need an oil starvation kit unless you plan to go all out racing. You'd need a totally different engine anyway for all out racing. Certainly, if there is indeed a problem, I do not believe simply increasing the sump capacity, which is all the BK kit does, will solve the problem. Since you have the 3.4L, Jake, and if you are worried about oil starvation because you drive hard on slicks, I'd rather get the real deal oil starvation kit and not the BK kit.

Eric you already have a starvation kit on your X51 engine, it's the best thing about the kit that they don't advertise. Jake, I'm with Palting, get the kit from PMNA if you want protection. The kit includes new oil pan with aluminum baffle, new oil pickup tube and a new 4-6 scavenge pump. The 4-6 cam cover will also need to be machined slightly by PMNA. The kit costs about $1300 for the parts. The BK kit is a new take on an old, old drag racing technique to avoid starvation.

Oops, I did forget the X51 oil system modifications. That said I've spoken to several Porsche race shops regarding the oil starvation issue. They've not seen it in a 3.6 L engine. I didn't ask about 3.4 L. Doug and Palting have some excellent information and comments for those with these engines and the price seams cheap versus a new engine (less than most of us have put into our suspensions alone!). I'll be interested in what Porsche has done for the 997 to address many of its loyal customers' concerns.

I don't think I need it for what I'm doing yet. Posted more out of general interest, to get opinions, and to show others who may need it. On a somewhat separate topic, can someone explain how the 996 is different than a true dry sump?

Does anyone know the part number for the oil starvation kit for the 3.4? I am considering getting it installed soon.

I don't think it's much of an issue unless you track your car. I noticed that when I corner a 996 at the limits on the track, the oil pressure falls from 5 to 1 momentarily. The 993 has a dry sump so there's no problem with that model.

Pour in another 1/2 quart of oil.

Someone else also reported that problem. However, I've run the 3.6L 996 pretty hard on the track, sliding around on R-compounds, and the oil pressure stays up there. No dipping to the 1's. There's also a Rennlister who has a 996 race car, a '99 therefore a 3.4L, who has no problems at all with the stock engine. I am sure there MAY be oil starvation problems to the right bank on the 3.4L on long looping right handers taken while on slicks since it has been reported. But, if the oil pressure dips when on street tires or R-compounds, it may be a problem wth individual car and not the 996 in general. Gives me an excuse to post a video , just in case anyone questions how hard the 996 can take a corner on R compounds TURNS

I just don't know 1/2 quart extra doesn't seem a whole lot but in terms of tracking myabe full on racing better insurance to do something with oil starvation(I think once you get to that level I've seen custom full dry sump kits on the like's of mustangs/corvettes but man very expensive I think) but with DE's I don't think it's really necessary. I've gone countless times on the track and never had issues with oil pressure drops(maybe I don't go to tracks with long sweeping right handers : )). 3.4 versus 3.6- other then being faster it should have better oiling channels it's putting out more power. Regards. Mike

http://forums1.roadfly.org/porsche/f...5111523-1.html I've not experienced this so I am still not convinced...

I've not experienced this so I am still not convinced... Hey, if you guys haven't experienced the drop in oil pressure, it's a non-issue for you. So don't worry and enjoy your Porsche driving experience.

FYI, Preliminary reports are that I have toasted a connecting rod bearing due to oil starvation on my 99. I'll let you know what I find out when the engine is opened up. The engine has 74.4K on it and has been tracked for at least 12 days by both my wife and I. I was running the car pretty hard but was on street tires {S03's} as always. I was occasionally pulling 1G for short 1 second periods to the right and 2 second periods to the left just prior to the engine failing. But maybe most damaging? was a long right hand turning carousel that I pulled about .9 G's for 3-4 seconds. I had NOT made the oil starvation fix to the engine based on the widely held belief that if you're on non-R compound street tires, don't worry about it. So I guess my advice is, if you're tracking it, and you're running it pretty hard, get it fixed.

Was that you at Mt Tremblant on Saturday???

How is that BK kit going to help? The oil pickups are still at the same height. The added 1/2 quart will never be available to be picked up. 3.4 engines DO NOT last in sustained track driving. It takes long corners and revs to find the problem. Take away either factor, and there is no problem. If you drive the car to the limit consistently at a variety of tracks on R tires, failure is guaranteed.

Surely you're not claiming a 3.4 engine with the Porsche Motorsports oiling modification kit does not last in sustained track driving, are you? If so, what are you basing this on?? I agree the BK kit isn't worth pursuing.

Guys, I got the oil kit from Porsche Motorsports today. I'd be happy to post some pictures of it if anyone is curious. BTW, PMNA said they only have one of these kits left and then that's it! I find it hard to believe that they won't see more and more demand for the kits as the 996 grows older and sees more and more track duty. Also, I don't see how the BK thing can possibly be as bullet proof as this kit.

pete01_996, I wouldn't mind seeing it. BTW...I was at Buttonwillow on Monday and took note of my oil pressure on the long right sweeper (I think its called Riverside). My oil pressure would drop to around 2 or 3 through there. I don't think that's too bad. Was running standard street tires and they were singing a bit through the sweeper.

Pete, please post pics.

Ok, so here's the new engine . Note, in this picture I have already removed the right side valve cover and the "old" pump is laying on the block of wood in front of the engine. Here's a better view of the "old" pump . Here's the "new" pump and some of the kit parts. Here's the valve cover with the new oil pipe laid on top. On the right side is where the pipe attaches to the newly machined opening in the cover. On the left side is where the pipe attaches to the new pump. And finally, here's the new oil pan with what I guess are modified baffles and pickup, not sure since I haven't removed the old one yet.

Who is gonna do your work??

I'm doing it with a friend of a friend who's also a very good mechanic.

How much does the kit cost? Is it called the Porsche Motorsports oiling modification kit? I'd like to try getting it too.

The price was $1360. This pays for the kit and the machining of your valve cover which you have to send to them. Hmmm not really sure what it's called, but the documentation says: "Additional Oil Suction System 996 Carrera - M9601" Just call PMNA at [phone removed] and talk to Roger {extention 14}.

Now that I have the 3.4L oiling kit from PMNA, I can see that the X51 powerkit is using the same modified right side oil pump with extra plumbing to the front of the right side valve cover. Wouldn't this suggest that without the powerkit the 3.6L and 3.4L are the same in terms of possible oil starvation?

I just started following this thread again, I'm sorry to hear that the kits are probably all gone. This was going to be my project this winter However, if the 3.4 and 3.6 use the same scavenge pumps, I bet I can use the 4-6 (right) side pump and tube off a X 51 engine. I'll have to check on the part numbers...

DJ, the part numbers for the Pump, Suction Pipe, and Oil Pan that PMNA sent me with the kit are: Pump: 996.107.980.00 Suction Pipe: 996.107.984.02 Oil Pan: 996.107.310.8R {stamped on pan} Also, the label on the box the kit came in is: 996.107.988.00 Let me know if any of that matches up with the X51 kit. Certainly looks the same in the pictures.

Sorry, this was miss-leading. The oil starvation issue,as outlined on the pca.org website tech section , is suppose to be aggravated by hard braking in left turns. So long right hand turns ain't got nuttin to do with it! Also wanted to let you guys know that I removed the oil pan of the old engine and found that the oil pickup was partially blocked by what looks like small pieces of gasket material. Not sure where that came from maybe excess oil pan gasket?