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I was buying something at a Dillard's department store and used a credit card for the purchase.
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I can't believe no one has mentioned the 3rd pronunciation that is used only by 996 owners after they have had an IMS failure or their engine has grenaded.....
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My relatives have used the US pronunciation for 3 generations at least.
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I can't believe no one has mentioned the 3rd pronunciation that is used only by 996 owners after they have had an IMS failure or their engine has grenaded.....
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Vote here how to pronouce this word........ Some people still need help.
ONE Syllable -vs- TWO Syllable poll...
exact tone and inflection of the second syllable is great to discuss, (please feel free to do so, I love what we are hearing) but does not alter your voting preference as this is a fundamentaly a simplistic question of the way to pronounce it
Thanks all !!
Porsche
What is the correct pronunciation of Porsche? While the �proper� way to pronounce some German terms in English may be debatable, this isn't one of them. Porsche is a family name, and the family members pronounce their surname PORSH-uh, not PORSH! Same for the car. You don't say NYKE for Nike, so don't be lazy and leave off the e in Porsche! Porsche's U.S. TV commercials pronounce the name correctly and so should you.
Can you remember when the French automaker Renault still sold cars in North America? (If you're old enough, you may recall Renault's Le Car.) In the early days, Americans pronounced the French name ray-NALT. Just about the time that most of us had learned to say ray-NOH correctly, Renault pulled out of the U.S. market. Given enough time, Americans usually can learn to pronounce most foreign words correctly�if you don't include maitre d' or hors d'oeuvres. So I think there's still hope for Porsche, too.
Not sure who you're hanging out with, but there's someone who says "Porscheeee?" Hit them on the back of the head for all of us.
Otherwise, there is a correct way to pronounce the name. Hint, it aint like Nik shoes.
guess I paid for mine so I guess I will say it anyway I choose.... Infact I had a guy driveing a Honda correct me one day he said " it's pronounced Porsch uh" I got in my RS and smiled and said sure thing I remember that next time I'm at the club drinking a tea
my 19 month old daughter calls it Daddy's Porscheeeee, I will not be striking her anytime soon.
I find it quite adorable!
But, we all know it's pronounced "Porscha". being a family name and that is how it's pronounced. end of story
Personally, Call it Porsche... Porscha... I dont care
I remember seeing an interview of the head of PCNA on CNBC. Near the end, reporter Joe Kernan (a car guy and, I believe, a P-car owner) asked him why he was saying "Porsh" rather than "Porsh-A". He replied to the effect that since this interview is for their American audience, he chooses to use the American pronunciation.
I try to pronounce things they way they were intended to be pronounced. Country names, products names, etc. I think it shows respect and it will gain you respect when you are abroad.
It depends on who I'm addressing. If I'm talkikng to another Porschefile, I'll use the two syllable pronunciation. If I'm not, I'll use to one syllable pronunciation so as to not sound snobbish.
I read an article a few weeks ago about this very subject. The author, when meeting Ferry Porsche many years ago, remember him introducing himself as "Porsch"...
Personally, I say Porscha....
Umm, it's a family name, there's no debate...I clearly remember the old commercials when Ferry Porsche harkened back to "...the very first Porsch - a...".
So people never pronounce family names differently - you get Pres. Sarkosy's correct do you, just like a local
?
For those who have not heard a French person pronounce it, it is : sar-ko-ZEE , most English speakers would say SAR-cozy - sounds so different that a Frenchman would not know who you were talking about - ask me how I know
Actually, there is a video of Dr. Ferry on here somewhere that has him speaking. He pronounces his own name as, "Porsh-eh"...not "Porsh-uh". It is after all...his name. I say "Porsh-uh". Bottom line...it is 2 syllables not 1. From the horses mouth. You pronounce the "E" in German.
2 cents...
I think because Americans are used to saying the one-syllable Porsh, when you as a Porsche owner say "Porsch-eh", it sounds like you are being a snob, correct or not!
If I use a valet (pronounced 'val-ay'), I would never say "It's the silver Porsch-eh", for fear of being considered a d*ck.
I guess it's all how you were brought up? I've always said it the incorrect way, so saying it the correct way makes me uncomfortable - which probably projects as being a snob.
Without fear of (valid) contradiction, as a native speaker of German, it's two syllables. The nuance of the pronunciation isn't really given in the poll options, but the two syllable one is closer to being correct.
People won't think you're a snob if you pronounce Porsche correctly. They will if you act like one. Even if they did think you were a snob, so what? Any schmoe with $5k can find a 944 and be a Porsche owner. It's not like it's that hard to do.
-Michael
I was once at a meeting, a woman had on a name tag with "Margot" - I went over and introduced myself and was firmly corrected that the proper way to say her name was "mar-goT"!
Go figure.
I don't see the one syllable vs. 2 to be right vs. wrong, just short name vs. full name. It's like calling a Jaguar a Jag or a Chevrolet a Chevy. I know Porsche is a family name and all, but I don't think there is anything wrong with the short version. I use both. I do think their are a lot of people out there that don't know the proper pronunciation, but who really cares?
I've got a buddy that has a pet peeve of people pronouncing "Jaguar" as Jag-wahr instead of Jag-u-ar.
Anyway, if my 5-year-old can pronounce Porsche properly, so can everybody else.
To me, listen to how they pronounce the brand in Coochas' video. Patrick Stewart says it best I think.
http://coochas.com/porsche/Resources...eKnowSoFar.wmv
Nice vid...Do you think Porsche released it knowing everyone mis-pronounced the name?
LOL
I am shocked that this many have voted for the "single syllable" yet we see an overwhelming trend towards the correct way of saying it.........
I know some will argue, but we all love are cars and each one of us has a right to say what we will. I know the air-cooled think only old school "real" porsche owners can be right, but some of us are old school porsche lovers even if we couldn't get our cars for several decades after falling in love....... and yes, we chose water over air.
Cheers to all who love these great cars, I admire those who stand firm against the wind and say it how they feel..... no matter how wrong it is
I didn't vote because they're completely interchangeable.
I'm American but my surname is from Germany/Austria. When I meet German folks they pronounce my name quite differently than my US relatives do. My relatives have used the US pronunciation for 3 generations at least. Should I scold my relatives and say they're all wrong?
"It's a family name, it's not debatable"
Ha. This debate really cracks me up.
I am of Greman heritage on both sides of the family. In Greman it is spelled Kr�ger (with the umlaut) which translates to Krueger in English. Most people say KRU-ger (as in Freddy), but we prefer the German pronunciation which is KRE-ger and yes, I ALWAYS correct the pronunciation.
Remember "young Frankenstien" where he calls himself "Fronkensteen" then Igor(EGOR) says its pronounced "I Gore"
TFF
What brain did you get?
Aby....
Aby?
Yes Aby Normal
I agree. That u -umlaut sound has no English equivalent and you have to be a native speaker or trained in German to get it right. When you correct folks that say Kruger (like Freddy), are telling them to use the "e" sound instead of "u", or are you going into detailed instruction into how to form the umlaut with that distinctive, guttural German enunciation? If the latter, you're a more patient man than I.
So this illustrates my point. What's really the correct pronunciation of your name - or Porsche? I like the earlier example with the arrows on the map for the regional pronunciation. The arrow in Europe didn't just add an "-eh" syllable to the US pronunciation. Is sounded
totally
different.....guttural, German, really cool. If I walked into my Porsche dealer and tried to say it the way the German "arrow" did, laughter would break out.
So I think we're arguing over the way many Americans have said it for years (one syllable) vs. an attempted approximation of how we think a German would want us to say it (two syllables). What's the point?
No I wouldn't presume to do that.
About correcting people on the pronunciation - about 99% of the time I simple tell them to use the "e" sound. For the other 1%, usually someone I will be working with, I explain the German/English thing. Then I will do the guttural German pronunciation, followed by the "e" pronunciation. I have found that by taking an extra 15 to 20 seconds to do that process, everyone remembers how to pronounce it correctly.
Gary, I know that you were not presuming to tell me how my name should be pronounced, which is why I included the
smiley.
That brings to mind a funny occurrence I had a few years back. True story.
I was buying something at a Dillard's department store and used a credit card for the purchase. When the nice looking young clerk returned my credit card she said:
Clerk: Thank you Mr. Kruger.
Me: It's pronounced Kreger.
Clerk: Are you sure? (obviously, not realizing what she was REALLY asking me)
(I looked at her name badge, saw Ms. Smith)
Me: I am positive Ms. Smythe.
Clerk: No, it's Smith.
Me: Are you sure?
Her eyes got really big and her face got red almost immediately because then she realized what she had asked me. She apologized profusely. I laughed and told her not to worry about it. I'll bet she never did that again!
Por'-scha
This is the way I've always heard it pronounced by other owners. It's the way I've heard it pronounced in the Porsche commercials.
Some family and friends say
Porsh
in conversation with me, but I don't correct them; I simply use the
Por'-scha
pronunciation back to them in the same conversation. After enough time, I figure they'll pick up on it and change modify their pronunciation.
it actually sounds less snobby if you say it correctly, like this.
Just like Deutsche bank.
Those who use just one syllable have already had their warranties cancelled.
Are we TRYING to be LESS snobby? LMAO
I agree earlier with "if someone says Porsh I don't correct them" but I refuse to ever talk to them again ! LOL just kidding... I know most non-Porsche owners don't know or care how it is said. As in any field that uses unusual words I do think the people who are in that field or use said word on a regular basis should take the time to learn to pronounce it as correct as possible. I am sure many words in medical / science / technology ect are pronounced different by the people that use them every day, then by those who do not.
This is good stuff, keep it rolling
I can't believe no one has mentioned the 3rd pronunciation that is used only by 996 owners after they have had an IMS failure or their engine has grenaded..... Pour-****!
Might as well go for 6 pages!
Of course it has other meaning as well???
Pour **** (for the crappy IMS design).... Poor **** (for the dude with the IMS failure)... **** Poor (after the new engine)...
My favorite part of this whole thread is the way everyone completely ignored the little 993 owner's baiting on page two. Now that's funny!
Obviously it's a two syllable word. Just as obviously you have to be a real asshat to go around correcting people who say it wrong.
I met Hans Peter Porsche at the 07' PCA Parade Dinner and he pronounced it, "Por-Sha" in two syllables and any fool would assume he knows how to say it correctly.........ZP44
Yeah, I noticed his comment, but decided since he was a 993'er, he wasn't worth my time to respond to him.
I have a higher opinion of Newbies than I do of 993 trolls, and you know how I feel about Newbies!
Sorry, but this poll is bogus. If it had simply asked whether Porsche is a one or two syllable word it would be valid, and would have a clear correct answer (i.e.
two
). However, as the correct pronunciation is not one of the options, the poll cannot be answered correctly. I explained the correct pronunciation a while ago in a different thread, so you should be able to search for it. All I will say is go to Germany (in fact go to Stuttgart) and pronounce Porsche using one of the two options from the poll and see how many people laugh at you, and then decide for yourself.
BTW, Porsche's marketing department realizes how linguistically challenged Americans are, and they dumb down the pronuciation for us. This doesn't mean the pronuciation they use is correct, just that they are smart enough to not push their customers out of their comfort zone (and thus out of their showrooms) with something so unimportant.
I just refer to mine as "my beater"
Actually fifty years ago when I was 9, my mother worked with a woman who always drove Porsches. She refered to them as a Porsch which was the way my mother refered to them as well. So this is where I learned my first pronunciation of the word and it has stuck with me thru 5 ownerships of the cars. I have a friend that works at the dealer and he says both. If he brings it up first it's Porscha but If I say Porsch a couple of times then he will say it too. Funny because he's worked at 2 different dealerships and has been a German car guy for decades.
How about BMW? I had a '67 and the dealer pronounced it Bay-Em-Vay.
Well Maci....I am surprised. Seems you are NOT alone in your thinking SO I will allow you the option on how you say it. I still feel some good reasons were presented and a more clear pronumciation was achieved with the "Poor Shed" Minus the D (aka the soft "eh" on the end) and I still stand firm in my belief that it is a 2 syllible word
That said... What did you come away with.
This was fun, and surprising for me.
