WTB > 1999 996 coupe - 6speed - silver/black - $17,000

all, i want to buy a 1999 996, 6 speed, silver/black or dark blue w/under 90K miles. i've been a renniist member for quite some time and am currently porscheless since selling my 1990 964 2 years ago. i almost purchased a 1999 996 in the bay area this past spring but the car had some issues and i decided to walk. throughout my search which has been fairly extensive over the past year, i've noticed cars that have an asking price of $18-19K ultimately sell in the $17K range. these are cars that have either had replaced engines or a some have had the IMS and RMS upgrade. i am looking for a well maintained 996 silver/black (or dark blue) with under 90K miles and willing to pay up to $17,000 for a good example. prefer california car.

I have 100K on my car so I guess I'm out.....add 5-6K to your number and you just might have few takers. I think a "good example" and "pay up to 16,000" don't jive for me.....guess I'm just hoping our values start to increase. Good luck with your search.

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Now that would be a good buy! Take the left over 5K and throw into mods.

needs clutch so do the whole enchilada while in there...make a nice driver

Here is a few online in So Cal I found. If you step it up $6k PM me. I have one with fresh set of PSS9s and other stuff No issues http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac...686600743.html http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv...675390982.html

theres a 99 silver/black with upgraded IMS and RMS locally here in seattle w/95K miles for $18K firm. i think i can do better and i love the drive home from southern california. **wanted to also mention that i don't mean any disrespect to 996 owners on this forum however i have seen lots of really good examples in the $16K - $17K range over the past year... i've just been late in responding to the sellers.

Check the usual suspects...Autotrader, Cars.com, etc. It will be very tough to find what you are looking for here or PCA. The price point you are looking at are beaters.

$18k is not bad considering the ims has been upgraded and possibly clutch replaced. I'm sure the $16k car you buy will need a clutch replace anyway so at $18k your right there..

i agree that $18K is probably a more realistic price point but i am sure there is someone out there who will accept $16K or $16.5K for their sorted car with the RMS/IMS upgrades. i'm in no rush and at some point i hope to find one before spring.

Owner who would've done rms/INS upgrade on a manual would at minimum have changed the clutch out that service would be around $3k parts and labor. It would be more if they did flywheel, aos, tranny flush.. Not sure an owner would unload a car at $16-16.5 after spending that amount. That would net them $13k after paying for the rms/ims upgrade. Man I just sold a 02 Boxster S with 72k miles on it for $15800 with rms/ims done. Not sure if a 996 would sell for that unless it had a salvage... Anyhow good luck with your search...

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+1 Unrealistic to get a well sorted car in that price range.

Asking $15K 1999 Porsche 911 Carrera 117,XXX Miles 19" Turbo Cast Rims Premium Sound System Ceramic Brakes Drilled Rotors 6 Speed Manual Fully Adjustable Sunroof 6 Disc CD Changer Brand New Alternator Belts and Pulleys + Coolant System Done Recently P90's with 85% Tread Left http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=860765

Keep walking. Don't look back. Do not pass Go. And, steer clear of any $16K 996. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. That's my $.02, -Eric

chsu74...appreciate the lead. eric...you are in connecticut correct?...the reason i ask is that out here on the west coast, if you plug yourself in to the porsche market the findings are pretty awesome. cars that have been serviced properly and in excellent condition. i'm originally from ny and would never buy a car from the east coast or the one in the above post for sale from texas. east coast cars have way too much abuse from salted roads and basic weather conditions and not as desired as cars from west coast. also many texas cars i've heard about or looked into have flood damage or sometimes hail damage. also the car for sale in the above post from texas has too many miles. i want a silver/black (or dark metrol blue interior)996 6speed w/under 80K miles...preferable in the 70K range or less and i am raising my allowance to $17,000-$17,500. i know in a year or 2 i will get bored with the car and probably want a 997. buying a 996 with lower miles/well serviced w/complete records from california will give me the best resale value because i am aware of what porsche buyers want when looking to buy...just like me. over the past 25 years i've purchased 10 911's and lots of 356's in california...i love the cars and also enjoy the road trip home. i'm a drummer and the best shop for collectible drum equiptment is in san rafael...also some of the best sushi i will only buy a car from california. there are so many excellent examples and this time of year going into the winter is when i have seen great 996's at fair prices. i found 2 in los angeles, one has 48K miles and the other 54K miles. both owners are asking $18.5K-$19K. both owners have my# and if they don't sell their cars they will contact me. i know i'll find my car its just a matter of time and i'm in no hurry.

Just look, look, look, and the when you're done, looke some more. I just purchased my first 911 (1999 996, Arctic on Graphite Grey 6spd) with 62k miles for barely more than you're looking to pay. Everything is in great working order. Just make sure to do your due diligence, get your PPI done, etc, you'll be alright. Look hard enough and you'll find the right car. There are people willing to move these cars for those prices, it's just a matter of finding the right one. You'll find something you will like.

khyber...exactly...i have shops located in los angeles area and SF, also marin county and santa rosa area to do PPI...have to do the PPI without question! congrads on your purchase!...the car i would jump on in beverly hills has an owner who is tough to hunt down, busy guy and not into BS however i appreciate that and i'm just playing the waiting game. his car has 54K miles and looks to be just what i want. $19K now but time will tell. the search continues.

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You're thinking too much like a vintage car owner. If this was a 356 I, too, would focus on finding a good CA car over something in the Rust Belt, but most well cared for modern cars just don't rust and the 996 isn't an exception to that rule. I'm location agnostic on this issue. When I found my C4S my primary focus was low mileage, content and care. I didn't discount cars from anywhere in the lower 48 in my search. I bought my car in CA because that's where I found the car I wanted; not because the cars on the East Coast were bad or received comparatively worse care. In fact, many East Coast owners advertised their cars as "garaged...never been in the snow..." Unfortunately, there were just too few C4 Cabs on the market with the content I wanted. In fact, I'd say that the overall level of care that I encountered between the East Coast and CA cars didn't really differ much in any material way. Porsche car owners who love their cars tend to care for their cars regardless of location. There are neglected cars everywhere; even in CA. So, like I said in my earlier post, yes, you can find $16K 996es but that doesn't mean I'd buy one. I'm sure the numbers in Excellence will support you -- good luck with that based on what I found in my search. It's just my $.02...buyer beware. If you've got the budget to take the downside risk on a $16K 996 then I'd take that extra risk budget and spend it NOW on a better example. As with any used car, I think the best advice is to buy the best example you can afford. These aren't cheap cars to repair regardless of what it cost you to get into the driver's seat. Best of luck in your search! -Eric

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Just for another reference, even though I'm on the East coast, I would say my black MY 99' 6spd coupe without the IMSB upgrade, with 56k miles, without any stories would sell for $19k +-, even though I'm not currently selling my Porsche. You have time on your side, and patience should help you find you what you're looking for.

eric... i raised my purchase price to $17K maybe even $17.5K sorry but i'll have to disagree w/you on the east coast/west coast desire/value. these cars are getting to be 12 years old and years of driving on the east coast roads does tend to oxidize hard to get to areas and in addition psychologically a buyer would prefer a california car. i went thru this similar debate a few years ago on the 964 board when i brought up the issue after purchasing my 964 in los angeles. most agreed that a california example will no doubt remain a much more desired car based on both examples being well maintained and in the same general condition. it would be interesting to do a voting poll on this issue...i would have to bet i'd win.

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You might have a bet on it, but you would lose. A very large number of 911 owners take their cars off the road over the winter, so they never see bad weather. Anyone who is educated on the topic would know this. Sure, there are some 911s driven year around, but I would put them in the minority. You can talk to any Porsche dealer in the snow belt and they will tell you then when bad weather hits their business drops off. When the weather is good, then the cars come out and need service.

Wayne.... +1 lots of NE 996 are rarely driven in the snow.... not even in the rain at that. Its a toy and lots of peeps will never buy winter tires and just stick to summer tires. Its also very easy to spot the ones that are driven daily in the winters/rain.... these cars are not like the pre 75 cars. check out these series on how the modern cars are made... You Tube

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Exactly! My porsche dealer told me several times about how even on rainy days during the spring and summer they would have lots of cancellations when rain was forecast because people didn't want to drive their babies in the rain - sad but true. I would say that the east coast crowd probably look after their cars better and drive them a hell of a lot less than a California car for the simple fact that there's a lot fewer nice driving days per year than in CA. The cars I know from MA and PA are very well looked after - in both states the cars would be pulled off the road in late october and early november as the temperatures dropped too low for summer tires and then they would stay off the road until March or April. Now that I'm in NC I see cars that are driven more days per year and in worse weather, simply because the weather is marginal, but not enough to take the car off of the road. At least in the snow belt it's clear cut - the weather and temperatures force the cars off the road if the owner doesn't want to install snow tires - in warm climates it's easier to keep on pushing the car out the door for more days.

is that why i see several posts of C2 and C4 owners showing the snow tires they have purchased and lots and lots of car photos in the snow? pretty ironic that most people who disagree with me live on the east coast. anyone know how to set up a poll?? i'd enjoy proving my point.

dude.... polls don't mean anything on this board. Might as well poll IMS failure while you're at it.

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+100. Note I didn't say everyone pulled their cars off the road, just a very large number. I didn't even claim it was the majority, as I don't have that data, but I would not be surprised it it did prove to be the majority. My comments are grounded in conversations with dealers about business and the behavior of local PCA members. I know that's a skewed dataset, but the reality is that in "Porsche rich environments" the cars disappear over the winter and come back in spring. Anecdotal evidence for sure, but it has held pretty well on my 15 years of living out here.

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redridge"dude": on the other post you yourself stated these cars shouldn't "sit" that its not good for them?? wellardmac you said: "You might have a bet on it, but you would lose. A very large number of 911 owners take their cars off the road over the winter, so they never see bad weather. Anyone who is educated on the topic would know this. Sure, there are some 911s driven year around, but I would put them in the minority." i say: how good is it for a porsche to sit for such a long period of time? those on the east coast will never agree with my statement regarding west coast cars being more desirable. *so not only are porsches on the east coast susceptible to salt roads but those that are taken off the road are sitting for 5 months out of the year? i haven't even addressed the corrosion associated with the humidity and salt air in florida/sc/nc/etc... this just all proves my point, hands down a california car is much more desireable...i don't care what a PCA member feels about that. again my opinion.

OK.... GL with your search. Our (NE) cars are crap.... Hopefully one day I can acquire the holy grail of a 911 such as a California car.

hey that wasn't my point...don't become unstable...i just stated that california cars are more desirable and you guys gave me crap about it.

not trying to give you crap.... just "trying" to educate. I use to think that Chicago 911 are bad cars to buy..... but I assumed wrong.... there are plenty of "desirable" Chicago cars. Maybe you should do a search on proper winter storage and when to drive the car during winter to keep the seals wet and condensation out of the sump.... yes the car "sits", but as enthusiast.... we know how to keep the car going. Yes, there are enthusiast outside of California.

Hey, hey, hey! Guys, guys, guys. We get a convert and now we are chasing him away before he is even here. He lives on the West Coast - where for the past 60 years over HALF of ALL Porsches brought to North America were sold. HALF. I think he can easily find whatever he wants in CA with those odds. I live on the East Coast, I drive all year around, I never winterize, and I have never bought a snow tire for my car. But I live in FLORIDA. And I don't live any closer to an ocean than anyone on CA. So help him find what he wants in CA and lets move on to PHASE ONE of harrassing him for not posting pics yet.

Californians always believe that their crap smells better. I'm happy to have them believe that, as it keeps them holed up on the west coast and not polluting the nice parts of the country. Education is a wonderful thing, pity that education in CA is right down there on par with with TX. If the OP wants to limit his search for invalid reasons, then good luck to him. As Thundertub said, there should be plenty of choice out there and he will find what he needs and that's enough reason to limit the search, but don't denigrate east coast cars under false assumptions.

wellardmac you said: "Californians always believe that their crap smells better. I'm happy to have them believe that, as it keeps them holed up on the west coast and not polluting the nice parts of the country. Education is a wonderful thing, pity that education in CA is right down there on par with with TX." i say: you sound really ignorant. i'm originally from new york and if you read any of the previous posts you would have learned that. i live in seattle not california and you could have learned that too by settling down, relaxing not flaming and reading my avatar....you sound like the person who needs educating considering how observant you are and your comments about the californians and texans. theres just no excuse for your ignorance. how does offering my opinion that california cars are more desirable than east coast cars get to this point? glad you live far far way.

I get the CA mindset on cars....living in Indy and coming from WI I drive my soon to be 13 yr old car in the summer, on the track and in the winter. It does not miss a beat. I wash my car, power wash the underside in the spring and maintain my car the best I can. I'm sure I'm not only one that does this to a daily driver. The corrosion system Porsche uses is bar none. Keep it clean and maintained and the car will look like it just rolled off the assembly line. CA is a big state and has lot of cars.....the US is even bigger and good cars are all over the place. The message here is don't rule out any area for your search.

understand pete and i agree...i am well aware there are great cars everywhere. my opinion of why i believe california cars are more desirable lead too some unbelievably ignorant responses.

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Not ignorant - a fact. Look up CA education rankings. My wife is from California and she has seen CA flushed down the toilet in recent years. It's a hole that has been desecrated by over development of the urban centers. Your comment on non-CA cars was ignorant, so touche.

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I don't think ignorant is the correct word.....all of us here on RL are and can be rather opinionated. You are included in that. Its always good to see other perspectives.

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Exactly! My opinion is actually rather educated, despite my strong opinion. The OP is opinionated with false assumptions on how east coast cars are treated. There is a difference.

sneaky pete great color combination of silver/metropol blue. that dark dark blue is a beautiful interior with silver.

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3 sentences was a rant? One sentence on the superiority complex on the west coast and 2 sentences on true statements on the quality of education out there? Wow, I guess rants got downgraded and more affordable - Cooool!

wellardmac...you must be pretty bored?

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Actually, I'm glad you asked. I'm sitting here proof reading a technical paper for one of my staff members and enjoying yanking your chain over your ignorance over east coast cars. You've provided a few minutes of amusement.

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That's almost like make up sex

I hate to throw gas in the flame here, but groovzilla is 70% right. CA cars are better for their lack of rust. (He's wrong not to include the rest of the west coast). I too started out living on the (north) east coast and have found a huge difference in quality of cars between the two extreems. Currently my DD is a 1994 Toyota with 190k miles, yet it has less rust than any other car I ever owned prior to moving. This is true for my 02 C2 Cab (so Cal car) as well as my past 67 Healey (TriCities WA car). Also, if he lives in Seattle currently why would you drive 2000+ miles just to get a midwest car??

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It does, but I'll get that in a few minutes after I finish proofing this damed paper.

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As a generality for cars driven year round in states using salt he is correct, even with modern rust proofing methods. Salt and winter is harsh. He is incorrect in his original assertion with regard to Porsches for the reasons discussed previously.

looking forward to finding a nice 99-2000 silver/black example although that metropol blue interior is growing on me. i know there are great cars in other parts of the west coast i just prefer a california car because as i previously posted the drive is a decent distance 800-1100 miles+ - and i have lots of friends to visit along the way. i missed buying a really nice 99 996 in seattle last month but the seller hit the front bumper 3 days after i looked at it.

The search is half the fun. The drive home is worth the wait. Good luck with your search.

thanks wellardmac. i really miss my 911 and can't wait to get in a 996. patience is key. we were discussing west coast cars and i have some photos of a 66 911 i purchased in arizona...whats ironic is i remember the sand storm i drove thru on the way home...severe winds pounding the car from every direction....heres a photo shot in '87 when i returned home...that cherry tree just to the left of the front passenger fender is huge now! so i guess west coast cars are susceptible to harsh elements too

look at that damn cherry tree now!...had our sewer line replaced last year from the root system growing into it. that was a fun check to write.

Hey Here is one for you Silver/black http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/2702477334.html

wow...i just emailed that guy a list of questions before seeing your post...i appreciate the heads up. just like last year there will be a host of cars on CL this winter.

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That's a nice looking car! As for west coast weather - yes, cars out there take a different kind of abuse. Sandstorms are one, but are really not that common for most. What I found was that there were more paint chips and scrapes from road debris. A California car has to deal with more junk in the road because the cars are less well maintained, are on the road longer, and there's more junk in the road. I'm always amazed at how many pieces of tire tread I see on a CA road compared to other parts of the country.

A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far, away, Porsche folks from California wanted east coast cars because they were only driven half the year and therefore had the best mechanicals. The East Coast guys wanted California cars because they weren't rusted out. This frequently resulted in Porsche bodies with non-matching mechanicals despite the fact that almost any Porsche serialized case mechanical can be rebuilt. But in the modern age, rust isn't really a big issue for Porsches built after 1976 unless they have been wrecked or had any body work that required parts not painted at the factory. As for mechanicals, it's all about the miles.

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Yes and no. I can't speak specifically for Porsches, as I've never seen a rusty Porsche, but it's also hard to find a porsche driven all year round in salt country. I can say that I have seen modern cars rust out on the east coast.

+1 on buying Kalifornia car. Northeast winters are brutal, cars that hibernate months at a time, annually, are suspect. I certainly would not buy one. NorthEast winters are long. That's too much idle time for my night's sleep. These Porsches needs to be driven frequently. all year. You should chase that $19K car. Make a tough choice somehwere else and sell something. Knowing the full history of a car is better than saving a grand or two.

if i find the right car i'll up my spending however i know how last winter went and there were some great deals at about $16-17K...have to jump on them quick though because it seems everyone has their feelers out. if the car i want is $18-19K i'll go for it...just has to be the right one.