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YOUR RESEARCHShould I sell my 02 996 C2 for an 07 Audi RS4
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If it were me, and I was itching to replace my C4S with a sedan, I'd be looking at an e60 M5.
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I full appreciate changing cars on a routine basis and see the logic in a RS-4.
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That said, some people walk into the showroom and you know right away that their hearts are set on a car that they will not leave without, and judging by your writing, I feel like you may fit that category.
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If you are set for the winter, I would keep the 911.
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That said, some people walk into the showroom and you know right away that their hearts are set on a car that they will not leave without, and judging by your writing, I feel like you may fit that category.
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I'm sure you know that the RS has the lovely high-revving v8 which is a completely different beast from the normal S4, and the car looks amazing and grips well (I set a test drive record for a particular on-ramp with a speed of 72 that was only broken once the r8 v10 came out, the v8 tied), but to me it feels a lot more detached and aloof, lacking some of that passion the porsche has.
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If it will make you happier than the Carrera than go for it, they are really great cars!
I tried it once, sold a 951 and bought an S4, modified it quite a bit. It was a rocket. but I want back to another Porsche in a year.
Buy the RS4 and keep the carrera if finances allow. Thats what I currently drive. Two different animals. The RS4 is 4 wheel drive and a total beast! I needed a Sedan so this was a great compromise. Plus they have already taken the hit on depreciation so owning one is not too bad IMO.
Oh, get extended warranty. Check on previous history and see if Carbon Build up is there. I had my DeCarb (carbon clean) 1 month ago at 55k miles and its night and day now.
Good luck on the decision
It depends what cars you have now. My S4 is irreplaceble in the winter time. Even more so in Canada, I dare to say. But the 911 is far more special. I must say that if I had to choose, the 911 is not a winter car, go with the RS. If you are set for the winter, I would keep the 911.
Yes, I gave it a good test drive, certainly a very different car. First impression...it was a heavy beast, great hanlding, comfort, fit and fiinsh and the V8 growl. Unfortunately I can't afford to keep both unless I win the lottery this weekend. LOL
I always liked the Audis and wanted a rarer model (can't afford an R8) and for the current market price on the RS4, I figured it would be a good opportunity to get into an 07 compared to my 02 car.
That having said, I just had the clutch flywheel, RMS, IMS, AOS, coolant reservior(less tan 2K km), water pump, plugs and coils done less than 5K km ago.
Kind of sucks to be moving into another vehicle now that the Porsche drives like new. The RS4 is one of the icons for Audi and the 996 seems like a dime a dozen these days. (Although mine looks sharp...LOL)
I have till Monday to decide...not sure what to do and will certainly miss this forum.
hehehe...he did. Ooops.
To the original poster, the RS4 is a great car. As you've found, it sounds AMAZING, it's very comfortable and well appointed but it's also not without faults. It's very front heavy and not immune from that weight in its nose but it's still a great car. If you're itching for something different then I say go for it...especially if you like the appeal of AWD. You can always come back to a Porsche when/if you grow tired of it or just start itching for another Porsche.
Just don't fool yourself into thinking that it's a cheap car to maintain. Sure, you're giving up the IMS fear but RS4s aren't built like Hondas and they can be just as pricey to maintain as your C2 (especially since it sounds like you've already put a lot of time into your car).
As an aside, if you enjoy some of the 3rd party 'wow' factor of your Porsche just be prepared to lose it (Audi fanboys aside) since most people will dismiss it for a dime-a-dozen A4 with a loud aftermarket exhaust.
If it were me, I'd keep the Porsche and not because I care what other people think. My primary driver for the past 6 years has been my '05 Volvo S60R which is a great sleeper since 99.9% of the world dismisses it as a hum drum S60. The RS4 might be faster than your C2 and carry more people in greater comfort but I'd keep the Porsche because (IMHO) it's ultimately the better (and more special) car.
-Eric
Here is more dilema...I have a DD already and it will kick your S60R's butt..LOL. I have an 9-5 aero wagon stage 3 Nordic and my wife drive a 9-3 Viggen stage 4 and both are sleepers. The RS4 will not be a DD for me...maybe I'm just getting old?
I don't really care about attention or wow factor, if I did I would have considered an orange or electirc blue RS4..LOL
I should probably put this explanation in my profile. "Sue Esponte" is a play on the latin phrase "sua sponte." I started using it as a joke among friends ages ago (probably back in the '90s) and I've just kept using it out of habit (probably a bad one).
-Eric
Nice Saabs but neither wouldn't touch my R out of the box.
And, none of our cars would touch my friend's Legacy GT (which is putting out about 500hp to the wheels)...but that's kind of beside the point when it comes to the RS4. So, if you've got a tricked out wagon and sedan (both of which are sleepers), what's the real appeal of the RS4?
I actually briefly considered picking up an RS4 Cabrio instead of my C4S (since I was in the market for a convertible) but the Porsche has a different appeal to me. I chose it for reasons having nothing to do with the RS4...other than the fact that the RS4 just isn't a 911. If it were me, and I was itching to replace my C4S with a sedan, I'd be looking at an e60 M5. The growl of a 500hp V10 will make you get over any questions you might have about its styling.
I don't think you will be disappointed by an RS4 as long as you know it's a completely different animal than your C2; and it sounds like you know that already. If you follow your heart you won't go wrong. Good luck!
-Eric
Eric...FYI...I owned a ipd C70 before and your S60R is not even close to a Stage 3 or 4 tuned saab....LOL
I been a Saab fan for about 10years and had always wanted a Porsche and since I had the 996 for almost 5years, I love it and always will.
As some of you have said, I can always come back to one if I get board with the RS4. I guess will see, sleep on it and keep the advice coming.
I'm not sure what owning an ipd C70 has to do with anything. You're comparing apples and oranges. Who cares?
Best of luck with whatever you choose.
-Eric
You stated you had always wanted a Porsche and had yours for 5 years. Now you want an Audi.
What I'm hearing is that you are not really a P-car guy. That's fine, nothing wrong with that. Get the Audi with no regrets.
You wanted a Porsche, you tried it, liked it and now want to try something else for your pleasure vehicle. With so many models of cars out there, there are a lot of good choices. A brother has 2 late model Audis and an extended warranty is a must. Funky and very expensive things go wrong with these cars.
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you asked
its really that easy....
remember its not a decision you can NEVER UNDO......follow it, live it, make new decision if needed, never change your mind...just make new choice with new information once you are there, but GO THERE FIRST
One thing I know for sure....the Porsche users on here is so much more helpful and responsive than the Audi guys over at 6speed forum. I had one response...LOL
You think that the Audi enthusiast would be all over it telling me to trade in my 996 for an RS4.
The rs4 was definitely my favorite audi aside from the r8s. I'll give you some practical (and honest) advice from a former audi salesman:
If you need trunk space, passenger room, comfort, or ridiculously awesome awd, go Audi.
If you want something for raw and visceral fun, keep the C2.
I'm sure you know that the RS has the lovely high-revving v8 which is a completely different beast from the normal S4, and the car looks amazing and grips well (I set a test drive record for a particular on-ramp with a speed of 72 that was only broken once the r8 v10 came out, the v8 tied), but to me it feels a lot more detached and aloof, lacking some of that passion the porsche has. Servotronic steering assist kills a lot of the joy, and the B7 platform (and the B8) still has that nasty tendency to understeer at the limit and plough off course (ask me how I know...).
That said, some people walk into the showroom and you know right away that their hearts are set on a car that they will not leave without, and judging by your writing, I feel like you may fit that category.
So I recommend, in the fashion of many of those before me, that you sideline all the advice you got here (including mine) and go with your gut and do what makes you happy, whether its getting the RS4 or keeping the C2. Good luck with your decision!
Ok.... that means the rear decklid has been replaced and you no longer have the wide reflector.
I get it, turbo look... like the old days....
Did you make this conversion? Reason Im asking is Im curious if you notice any more stability at high speed with the turbo splitter and wing? Any noticeable stability gains?
Jake sorry to highjack the thread... Keeping the aero?
I owned a V8 S4 few years back. I know, it's not RS4....I thought I wanted one as I also owned a Turbo A4 for many years; loved the A4 but wanted more power so natually the S4..lots of power. bot the car and traded it after 6 month....it never spoke to me. It got enough power, quick, well made and the V8 sounded fantanstic. Something was missing....I didn't know what that "something" was till I drove a boxster last summer; then I see the light....currently hunting for a 911cab. What I am trying to say is, what are you looking for in RS4?...you already have a fast 4door daily driver....what makes the RS 4 so special? then why not try the V8 M3 or AMG? I like my sports car to be lighter, not necessarily high horse power, the cornering feel, the brake, etc. If you don't care about this...then 911 may not be the right car. there is not right or wrong choice.
So... did you do it?
As someone who had been an "Audi Guy" for a number of years, and even managing a marque specific performance facility for some time, I would add this:
I owned:
Audi A4 (Mild Tune)
Audi S4 Sedan (Stage III)
Audi S4 Avant (Well beyond Stage III)
Porsche 993 C2 (Stock)
I now own:
BMW 335i Sedan (Tastefully Tuned)
Porsche 996 C4S (Stock)
I loved my Audis for that they were. I had a lot of fun with them. They are wonderfully techie, but finicky. They will ALWAYS need something. I will probably never own another own.
With its LSD, M3 Suspension, and Methanol Injection, my 335i is much faster than my C4S in terms of raw speed, and nearly on par in terms of handling, but I enjoy the Porsche driving experience. I would enjoy it more if it didn't come with the Porsche Drivers' stigma.
I wouldn't do it.
I owned A4 for many years and the V8 S4 for only 6 months but also spent sometime behind a tuned B5 S4.... but liked the feel of P cars after some brief test drives. still hunting for a 911 cab, as a second car..initially a 996 but browsing 997 now. I am jsut curious why OP wants to make the change....either one is great car...like California Cabs vs Bordeaux, personal preference.
I have a similar story but entirely different outcome. We "thought" we were downsizing to a condo with just 2 parking spots. We sold the V8 S4 and a WONDERFUL 1980 SC and replaced them with a super nice 993 C2. This was in conjunction with keeping an X5 as the DD.
Well, we ended up passing on the condo, bought another house and have missed the S4 everyday since.
I think the comment about either the OP is a Porsche guy or isn't a Porsche guy is dead on. I full appreciate changing cars on a routine basis and see the logic in a RS-4. Good luck to him. Great car and I am sure he will enjoy it until the next one.
Life is too short not to try. A car is a toy after all. Try as many as you can afford through life. Keep the ones that make you giggle and move on when they don't. I sure miss some of my old cars, but I never regretted trying some new experience. Everybody will have an opinion, but it is your time to spend as you want. If you feel it is time to try and you've gotten what you wanted out of your P-Car, then by all means try something else.
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