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Both 1/4 glass and the new rear glass has been installed along with the decklid and the front fenders.
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The gas door was replaced with a 997 gas door so it fits perfectly.
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alot of people used 993 bodywork on older 911's..........
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Tippy, it's probably a fiar question from most of us because we don't understand why someone would remove perfectly good sheetmetal, and the author did not really explain why the body conversion instead of starting with a 997TT.
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In between the fiberglassed color matched amp rack is a Rockford 10 farad Hybrid Digital Capacitor and the entire audio system is run off an Pioneer Avic Z2 with bluetooth and ipod add ons combined with a Rockford Fosfate 3Sixty Interative Signal Processor.
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Tippy, it's probably a fiar question from most of us because we don't understand why someone would remove perfectly good sheetmetal, and the author did not really explain why the body conversion instead of starting with a 997TT.
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Its been about 2 years since I sold my widebody supercharged Porsche 996. In the meantime I have been floating around between a few other cars, and finally I felt its time to build another Porsche. Having already built a crazy 996 in the past, I felt this time I really needed to top myself. The new project for 2007-2008 is converting a 996 Turbo into a 997 Techart GT Street Turbo.
Currently the car is at 3C in Culver City converting from a 996TT to a 997TT body. Thanks to Misha who helped me out with all the details and supplied hisconversion fenders.
Thanks to Mike and Todd at Evolution Motorsports EVOMS for helping me out with the engine details. I will have the Stage 4 Kit making 600HP.
Thanks to Mark and Ryan at CEC Wheels for sourcing me one of the first Techart GT Street Kits to arrive in the United States.
And finally thanks to BASF for supplying the 997 GT3RS Green paint.
I will post more pictures after we get the body kit in and prepped.
My Old Car.
Pictures of my current conversion
Vincent...welcome back, my jaw still drops when I see the first P-car project you completed. If I recall correctly after the widebody 996 you had an RX-8 project. Was that completed?
It will be fun to see this project progress,,, and post some !@%^&* pics!.... oh wait, you did.... sorry, it's a habit...... (the other guys make me do that)!
Regardless of the price delta b/t the 996 and 997 TT......What's the point of sinking all that cash into an aesthetic upgrade like this? It's one this to add a new bumper, etc. but this is a whole undertaking with new fenders and all. I am sure it will look great when done but it sounds like a waste of money. What about the interior? 997 exterior, 996 interior?
Do you guys who say this is a waste of money understand it is not that big of a deal to do what he is doing?
A set of coilovers cost more than the labor of changing out the rear quarters and front fenders. A couple of days to knock out that work.
Not to mention, prepping the body for paint will be minimum also since the there are new panels being used.
Do you guys who say this is a waste of money understand it is not that big of a deal to do what he is doing?
Tippy, it's probably a fiar question from most of us because we don't understand why someone would remove perfectly good sheetmetal, and the author did not really explain why the body conversion instead of starting with a 997TT.
On the other hand, if it's a "hobby" thing to make major conversions then why not!
In any case, I think that we are all intrigued and will follow his progress with interest!
Cheers
Yea, I'm not confused about the money spent just the effort to take a 996 to make it look like a 997... it's not going to have any of the 997 variable turbos or engine so, eh.
However, it still sounds like a fun project I'm looking forward to seeing the pics during the progress.
Nearly Double? Easily double but closer to triple. To pick up a 997TT you will have to pay dearly. MSRP alone will set you back (with a couple option) 140K. And lately these have been sold ABOVE sticker for new and at sticker for low mile used.
Nobody is knocking his project, just the cost why you would do something like this. The 996TT is a great looking ride so why spend all that cash to have a marginally different looking car on the outside.
I don't want to put words in the guy's mouth, but I haven't seen a reply from him yet. If you've seen the guy's other cars, he customizes his cars to make them look exactly the way he wants them. His cobalt blue (maybe I'm biased
) supercharged widebody 996 looked fantastic, and I'm sure it was pretty darn quick, too. And there was probably no other car on the road like it (355s in back!).
So maybe he wants something that no one else has, that he's designed every inch of, that has an astounding level of performance, and can be done for a fraction of the cost of buying a 997TT *plus* the ludicriously expensive Techart bits plus more tuning costs.
justin, you aren't putting words in anybody's mouth. your points are valid. everybody agrees that this is an interesting project and no doubt that it could look great when it is complete as this is what he specializes in. However, it's the cost factor of......why? Then again, us track ****** throw insane amounts of money to do that and alot of people don't get that either so I guess it's all relative.
I am not knocking the project either and think it is cool, and look forward to seeing the results. Doesn't mean I am being critical when I wonder why. I really am eager to see the end product. I am sure it will look great just as his last car. Good luck!
haha, nice thread. Maybe this dude will think twice about it now
) Why make a 996 look like a 997? When I see cars like that on the net to buy I shudder and skip to the next one. I think it will be hard to sell because it is a grandad in the disco. A nice guy dressed as a thug.
I know I am nasty here but there seems to be a general consensus here, wft are you doing?
Some spend $ on looks and asthetics, others dedicate funds to going faster or lighter, or for improved handling at the track. Guess as long as you're into a P car, maybe it doesn't matter how you decide to spend, or how much, as long as you enjoy it regardless of viewed practicality.
This is a long-standing Porschephile tradition. Excellence writes about one or two of these loons every month. More power to him. Guys like this keep older Porsches cool.
my guess would be in addition to the fun project part, it also serves as good advertising for iforged wheels if he puts on a set. I remember his old porsche project had some insane iforged wheels on them with 7 inch lips...something like that. Is it a wirte off if its used for business?
I respect your response. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I do what I do because I enjoy it. Also I have cut up a Porsche 996 before, so its not anything new. Its actually very simple. 3C works on tons of hot rods, old muscle cars, tons of widebody Porsche, as well as Exotics. If you understand metal it actually is quite a simple task. We are not cutting the frame of the car, just the outside body panels. This will have no ill effects on the car, and I can guarantee you it will handle much better after we are done then before. The front end is a complete bolt on.
I don't expect everyone to understanding what I am doing. Sometimes people just have their own paths to get to the final product.
Iforged,
If you don't mind sharing, what do you project a project like this will cost?
ps...keep the pictures coming. I can't wait to see it after paint. There is a Green GT3 RS on the cover of Excellence this month...awesome.
The fun is in going to the shop and following the project. You get to hunt for stuff,pick things out,pick colors ect... It is like hot rods except you use a Porsche. Ruf,Gemballa,Farnbacher all do something similar.
Go for it and keep posting pics !
I'm really enjoying this ... please keep the pictures posted - its very entertaining.
BTW, I think you're enjoying this ... that's REALLY cool. If you don't mind, when all the dust settles down, could you list an approx budget on this?
Personally, I wouldn't do this myself since I prefer the 996TT (unique, strong & sexy) look to the 997TT (return to roots, not that exciting) - though I love the GT3 front bumper .... I wished they kept the 996TT lights intact though ... the new 997 round ones are too baby-eyed.
Again, awesome work man ...
Sounds like a really interesting project. Not something I would necessarily do, but it is going to look absolutely awesome once done, the body is in extreme- fantastic stuff. Enjoy it in good health and I look forward to the final pictures.
Ok guys sorry for the delay. Pictures of the car in the paint booth. We are only using the best paint BASF Glasurit 997 GT3 RS Green
http://www.carizzmacolors.com/
. Keep in mind these were taken with flash. It will not look so light and baby colored in person.
Thanks for all the comments. The car is starting to take shape. Next in store for the car is the front bumper, alll the ducting, 996 to 997 conversion fenders and rear window spoiler from Misha
www.misha911.com
, hood, sideskrits and headlights.
Rear bumper will be put on after the car goes to Auto Talent
www.autotalent.com
on Sepulveda for the turbo upgrade [got a set of K24 turbos from Evolution Motorsports]
www.evoms.com
with 18g compressor wheel upgrade put in by Protomotive
www.protomotive.com
, Fabspeed headers, Fabspeed exhaust, GT2 intercoolers, Evolution Motorsports Intake, Agency Power silcone boost hoses, 5 Bar Fuel Pressure Regulator, Denso Spark Plugs, Front and Rear Yellow Brembo Brake Upgrade and some Softronic programming from Vivid Racing
www.vividracing.com
Interior mods will consist of a full carbon fiber interior kit upgrade from MA Carbon
www.macarbon.com
, Porsche 996 GT3 OEM Recaro seats, and a color matched roll cage from GMG
www.gmgracing.com
Thanks for sharing your project with us. It looks incredible. I love the color. You should end up with a gorgeous , unique, monster when you are done. Please keep the pictures coming.
Iforge,
I love your old blue widebody! In fact I copied all the pictures you posted. Here's a couple. That car was simply beyond sick! I could imagine looking on my reaview mirror and seeing that barreling down the highway just getting bigger and bigger in the mirror!
Anyways, looks like this new one you have in work will even have a meaner menacing look.
I cant wait to see the end product.
Thanks for all the kind comments guys. I really enjoyed building the blue widebody as well. It has been 4 year since that project, and along the way I have built some more show cars, but I really missed the Porsche. I decided I had to build another one. I knew it would be difficult to try to top the blue one, so I just went about modifying it in a different direction.
I have a great time building this vehicles for myself but it is also a great feeling to share these projects with the community. I am glad there are enthusiasts out there than can appreciate the modifications I am making. I will post more pictures soon after they attach a few more parts.
If someone showed me that paint chip and told me they were going to paint their car that colour I would laugh and walk away. However, when you see it on the car it's simply stunning. Good luck with the rest of the project.
Some new pictures of the conversion. All the parts have been painted and now the car is starting to be reassembled. Both 1/4 glass and the new rear glass has been installed along with the decklid and the front fenders. The interior is getting reinstalled as we speak.
Update on Car.
Interior is in, doors, mirrors, handles are also on. The gas door was replaced with a 997 gas door so it fits perfectly.
More pictures coming after lunch.
Love it, the green is sick, reminds me of kawasaki green (I'm also a fan of that color). Thanks for the posts.
Now to wipe off the drool on my keyboard.
what kind of wheels are you going to use to fill up those gigantic flares? Iforged, I assume? How wide of a wheel can you stuff in there?
awesome, thanks for the pics.
Awesome - keep the pics coming please. I had mixed feelings about this project when I first saw this thread a while back, but now I can't wait to see more...
the car is looking incredible....the red calipers need to go though. do not know if yellow calipers will be any better, but black or the same body color calipers would probablly work best imo. please keep us posted.
I have the 6 piston 15" and 4 piston 14" big brake gran turismo kit from brembo in my warehouse. Will be going on as soon as I make my new wheels. I got them the same color as the stock 997 GT3RS in yellow.
Went to see the car for the first time in person today after the paint job and boy was I impressed. Pictures from 3C did no justice to what the car actually looked like. The car had the exhaust, turbos, and headers already removed. I will post more pictures of the progress in the next few days to come.
On a side note, the pictures just can't capture the actual color of the GT3 RS Green. Also theTechart GT Street Wing looks perfect on the car. For some reason in all the Techart promotional pics the wing looks very high. In person its actually not that tall and has a perfect height for the car.
Ok Great Update. I heard from Sam and Dan at The Speed Gallery
www.thespeedgallery.com
that 997 mirrors can be retrofitted to 996 requiring a good amount of labor, parts and modifications. Going to order the parts now for the conversion and keep everyone on here posted. Thanks to 6speed user member TKDalumni for the heads up. You made my day.
Updates
Spec Stage 3 Clutch and Flywheel is currently getting installed this week with the K24 turbos with 18G wheel and upgraded wastegates. We are still waiting for the 997 TT intake ducting to arrive from Germany as well as the 997 TT intercooler brackets.
The Racers Group also just sent out their beefier drop links to replace the broken JIC ones. My estimate is the car should be ready to deliver back to 3C in 1-2 weeks for the rear bumper installation. After a color sand and buff the car should be ready.
First thing after delivery will be a trip to a Dyno to see how much power the car is putting down. I hope to be in the 500-520 RWHP range.
Thanks to everyone who has followed this build thread. The last 6 months of the build process have been tedious and stressing but the final product will be well worth it.
I need to thank all the sponsors who believed in this project from the start and have supplied their expertise, products, hours of labor to help me realize my vision.
Thanks to 3C Body, Auto Talent, Spec Clutch, Agency Power, Evolution Motorsports, Brembo, Protomotive, BASF Paint, MA Carbon, Vivid Racing, The Racers Group, 996 Wings, GMG Racing, Techart and CEC.
The final details and adjustments are taking the longest. Car is still currently at Auto Talent. I have been waiting on the factory 997 turbo air ducts to arrive from Germany. They have been on special order for 2 months. I just picked up a set of 1.2 bar wastegates yesterday for the K24 turbos from Speed Gallery. Its a never ending process. I keep on finding more and more things to purchase for the car. Right now I am thinking of purchasing the 75mm throttle body and 75mm IPD plenum.
After all the engine work the car will be strapped on a dyno to see what kind of power it is putting down. I am hoping 520-540 to the wheels which would be around 600 flywheel HP. Then its back to 3C to install the new 993 vented style hood, install the Techart Rear Bumper and color sand the entire car. I don't think I will have the actual car back to drive until mid to late April.
Auto talent is currently installing or has installed.
Racers Group Replacement Drop Links
GT3 Seats
GMG Rollbar
Spec Stage 3 Clutch and Flywheel
K24 turbos with 18G wheel and 1.2 bar wastegates
Fabspeed Exhaust, Headers
EVOMS Intake
5 bar FPR
Agency Power Boost Hoses
Greddy Profec B Spec 2
Defi Link Control Unite 2 with Defi Link Display and all the monitoring sensors for water pressure, water temp, oil pressure , oil temp, boost pressure, fuel pressure.
Sparco 6 pt. harnesses
FVD Daytona Suede Leather Steering wheel
H&R Front and Rear Sway Bars
Its been a long road, but at the end the car is going to perform, drive, look, and handle exactly like I want. I can't wait I am so excited.
iforged, I installed the IPD plenum on my NA 996. I was very happy with the quality of the product and the improved performance.
This is an incredible project. Thanks for sharing it. I'm looking forward to more pictures.
Went to Auto Talent this weekend to check out the car. It seems they have turned into a Porsche tuning shop. Saw a 997 GT2 in person. Wow what an amazing car. Love the new carbon fiber seats. They also had a 997 GT3 and three 996 TT in there getting various work done.
Here are some updated pictures of my car. All the 997 turbo ducting is installed as well as the intercooler brackets. The HR front and rear sways are also installed as well as the K24 18G turbos, Max Speed K24 Headers, Exhaust, and the Speed Gallery 1.2 bar wastegate. The 997 TT intercoolers were test fit and they fit perfect. The car will be ready to pick up this week and then its off to the body shop to put the rear bumper on, install the new 993 vented hood and for a color sanding and buffing.
Softronic software will be loaded next week. The project is almost done. I just ordered some more carbon fiber interior parts and will unveil the car with a full blown photo shoot in a few weeks.
very high quality job...... looks great... i must admit it is very cool.
i would have left the stock body work, or for widebody purposes i would have used 996 RSR flares.
Cloning a newer body never has strong resale. The resale is usually distroyed, or at least the mod money goes down the drain. Most people assume the car was in an accident and reskinned which sucks because it really is a nice job and color.
alot of people used 993 bodywork on older 911's.......... not really a fan of the sort. peroid correct is the test of time.
I usually agree but I have already built a crazy 996 in the past. I did not want to build another 996 style car since I had already done it. Since I already had a 996 twin turbo it made no sense for me to sell it at a huge lost and then pick up a 997 tt. To get a 997 TT to 650 HP with the GT Street Body Kit would have added another $65,000 to the $135,000 sticker of a new 997 twin turbo. It would not have made financial sense for me to do that. Its amazing how similar the 996 turbo and 997 turbo are body wise. The 997 turbo ducting bolted directly to the 996 body.
I am defintely thinking in purchasing the IPD plenum and the larger NA 996 throttle body. I am hearing so many different reviews with the product though it so confusing.
Iforged, you project looks better every time I see it. It is nice seeing something unique. When you are finished, your car will be one of a kind. I can't wait to see your next post. Thanks again for sharing.
I have read all of the controversy surrounding the plenum, both here and on 6 speed. I believe the disputed gains are on the NA applications. I think you will find that there is more agreement on the gains for the forced induction (both supercharged and turbocharged) applications.
Turbos in, headers in, exhaust on, roll cage in, gt3 seats in, harness in, and suspension is finished. Car will be put on transport next week.
thanks autotalent for the pics.
Some sneak pics. Car is getting ready for a photoshoot on Friday. Right now the car has 19" iforged track edition wheels. I am building a new set with 19" front and 20" rears in time for SEMA. Another problem we encountered was the 997 techart side skirt being too long. So currently we are having the side skirts cut to fit.
Ok guys here are some sneak pics of the stereo system. You guys are the first to see this before the crowd at SEMA. I had Creative Car Audio and Motorsports in Santa Fe Springs make me a custom color matched fiberglassed subwoofer box that fits arounds the GMG Racing roll bar and stills allows direct access to the suspension so I can still alter suspension adjustments such as rebound and compression. The box can also be removed for those track days when every pound matters. The entire system was color matched with BASF Glasurit 997 GT3 RS Green.
The one thing outdated with the 996 Porsche Turbo is the stereo system. The Pioneer Z2 dual din head unit behind a custom carbon fiber mounting plate updates the outdated stock head unit. I also plan on painting the two plastic covers in the trunk green next week to match.
I love the new Rockford Fosgate P3 shallow subs because they do not require as much airspace as before and fit the compact Porsche with ease. The new Power amp line from Rockford Fosgate allows me to fit two powerful amps in the trunk with room to spare. In between the fiberglassed color matched amp rack is a Rockford 10 farad Hybrid Digital Capacitor and the entire audio system is run off an Pioneer Avic Z2 with bluetooth and ipod add ons combined with a Rockford Fosfate 3Sixty Interative Signal Processor. 3 gauges from the Autometer Cobalt Digital Series measured and display the amp current, amp temp., and volts within the stereo system in a custom fiberglassed pod.
Thank you to Rockford Fosgate, BASF and Creative Car Audio and Motorsports for an amazing digital audio listening experience ,that looks as good as it sounds.
what a wast of time and that car is butt ugly!!!
JUST KIDDING!!!
This is the best project I have ever seen!!! You are a lucky bastard!!!
Fantastic Car!!
Some sneak pics before SEMA.
3C will be doing a few small finishing touches before I pick up the car tommorrow. We will paint the base of the mirrors black and the mounting portion of the wing to the rear wing stands.
We still have to install the new 20" wheels, and some more interior goodies. Lots of work and so little time. Sema is around the corner in 2 weeks.
Looks awesome...and if you are ever in a pinch for cash, there is a place right across the street from the shop that will give you cash for it...that's convenient
All joking aside, that thing looks awesome...nice work.
More pictures I took today with my point and shoot while waiting for the tow truck to take the car back to Auto Talent to load the Softronic program, install my FVD steering wheel, and install the new exhaust tips. Its so hard to capture the actual color of the car.
You can see that now the mirror base is gloss black, as well as the wing holder. I also had 3C spray a clear on the carbon parts to make them pop more in the light.
the folks at macarbon do fantastic work. the only criticism that i have is that the diagonal pattern for the carbon fiber on the audio surround should match that of the horseshoe and ac vents. great looking car, congrats.
FVD Daytona Race GT 340mm Sport Steering wheel with Leather Airbag installed.
MA Carbon custom carbon batwing with Greddy Boost Controller Installed
Carbon Fiber 997 mirror inserts installed to break up the green
This thread is a crack-up....it went from ...Why not just buy a 997 and ...Why are you going thru all this trouble and money.....to WOW..BEAUTIFUL...MORE PICS....
I've really enjoyed watching the metamorphasis from bug to butterfly!!
Fantastic job....great to see someone with the vision and ability to do something like this.
Thanks to fellow 6speed user Joeacc. After talking to him I find got the ***** to attempt the 997 door handle conversion. I will be doing the conversion after SEMA as the car needs to be on a trailer next Sunday.
I contacted the guys at LA Porsche Dismantler in Sun Valley, and Todd and his crew over there were able to get me a 997 boxter drivers side and passenger side door with all the door guts for a great price. After the door handle conversion from the outside the entire car will look like a 997 turbo.
Chuck thanks for the kind words. It has taken a year to finally get the car almost complete. I have to thank all my sponsors because without them I could have never done it.
3C Collision and Motorsport
Auto Talent
Misha 911 Wings
Artsian Perfomance
Mobil 1
Meguiars
Spec Clutch
CEC and Techart
EVOMS
Vivid Racing
BASF
Brembo
Agency Power
Toyo Tires
iForged
MA Carbon
The Racers Group
PLX Devices
Creative Car Audio and Motorsports
Rockford Fosgate
Is there a front chin spoiler with this kit....
she came together beautiful... you did a great job! Props to your dedication and hard work!
The 20's pulled all together!
Thanks to all the Rennlist members who have been following this build since day 1, I really appreciate the support. We will be doing a full blown photo shoot next week.
Here are some photos of my car from the 2008 SEMA show in the Mobil 1 booth.
I want to thank all the sponsors who put in a considerable amount of time and effort trying to finish this car before the deadline.
Zolti and Sam of Auto Talent
www.autotalent.com
, Without their expertise and all of their late nights installing everything from K24/18G Turbos, GT3 Seats, Spec Clutch, Softronic programming, etc. to even the
minuscule parts such as installing the pedals, the car would have never made it to SEMA. I am forever grateful for everything you guys have done for me.
Brian and Raj of 3C Motorsports of Culver City , Thanks for all the last minute working in making sure all the body parts and the paint work was perfect. You guys went out of your way and I deeply appreciate all your hard work. You guys are the only body shop I trust for this work.
Andy and Neil at Theory Communication and Mobil 1 for being great marketing partners on this project.
Mike and Todd at EVOMS for the Intake
Kenny at Artsian Performance for the 650HP package.
Gary and his team at Brembo/Race Technolgies for the 15" brakes front and rear brakes.
Misha at 911wings.com for his experience, parts and being a pioneer to attempt this conversion. I would have never even thought this was possible until you called me.
Brian Fox at BASF for supplying the 997 GT3RS Green paint.
Zach Luke at Rockford Fosgate thanks for the audio equipment
Dan and Rob at Agency Power for the silcone boost hoses
The Racers Group for the front and rear endlinks
Stan at toyo tires for getting me the first T1-R 345/25/20 tires
MA Carbon for supplying me as many carbon fiber parts as my heart desired.
Spec Clutch for supplying the Stage 3+ Clutch and lighten flywheel
Chris at KW Suspension for the V3 Coilovers
Paul and Mike at PLX Devices for the custom organic gauges
Broadway Engineering for getting me the first r1000
Ryan and the Team at Creative Car Audio for creating the beautiful custom stereo system
